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July 24

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Category:Massacres committed by Turkey

Nominator's rationale: Category basically overlaps with Category:Massacres in Turkey - there's no need for two categories at this time. Seraphim System (talk) 15:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Did you look at the articles in the category? Because I did, before I nominated it. Of course there is value to the parent category - they are two different things. The United States can commit massacres outside the United States. Massares commited by Israel includes things like Ghaziyeh airstrikes. The Turkish military has not really engaged in many high-profile military operations outside its own borders, so the category as it was completely overlapped with Massacres in Turkey. (With the exception of a few erroneous entries from before the Republic of Turkey was founded.) "I see no reason to treat the Turkish category separately"? - are there any articles to add to the category that would save it from being WP:OVERCAT? I see no reason to treat it any differently then any other instance of completely overlapping categories. Seraphim System (talk) 16:57, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Massacres that occurred before Turkey replaced the Ottoman Empire didn't occur "in Turkey" either by your logic. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:16, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Strong Keep the nominator confuses massacres "in Turkey" with "by Turkey". "In Turkey" is where they occurred, "by Turkey" is who committed them. Turkey has committed massacres - removing the categories from the articles doesn't annul that fact. Of course, the nominator looked at the articles in the category, because he deleted the category from them all. Then nominated the category for deletion. That's not how things are done here (see WP:FAIT). Moreover, someone should see what other "tidying up" the nom has done to remove categories relating to Turkey's history. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:07, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
You are being a bit dramatic aren't you? It wasn't so major a change that it is "difficult to undo" or "irreversible" - we're discussing it right now. Considering you restored a massacre that was committed before the country of Turkey was founded, you would have to explain your objection to the other categories I removed more clearly, because it's a content-based complaint and every single removal was done after I checked WP:RS, based on the article content and WP:DEFINING. It seems like you have an opinion about what should be in the category, and I wonder if that is influencing your comments here? Can you just answer one simple question: are there any articles for this category that aren't already covered by "Massacres in Turkey'? If so, I will withdraw the nomination and repopulate the category myself.Seraphim System (talk) 17:19, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sexuality and computers

Nominator's rationale: Over-specific category; broadening the definition of this category a bit will make it much more useful. Techology and sexuality is a much wider topic than just computers and sexuality, going back to before the invention of computers. Consider, for example, call girls, made possible by the telephone, or the vibrator and electrosex, which both pre-date the invention of the computer. "Computers" is much too specific; more or less any modern technology involves computers, but is not necessarily a "computer technology". For example, the Internet is primarily a communications technology, even though it is implemented using computers, in much the same way that newspapers are primarily a communications technology, not a wood or pigment technology, although they are implemented using both. The same goes for telephony, cars, navigation, and so on: all now use computers, but are not "computer technologies". -- The Anome (talk) 11:53, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with the Bengal Renaissance

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:NONDEF and WP:OCASSOC, hardly any of the articles in this category even mentions "Bengal Renaissance". Marcocapelle (talk) 06:01, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep, probably trim. It would be ridiculous to just delete this, but with 130 members, it might be too large. The Bengal Renaissance navbox thing has about 50 names. Several of these mention eg the Young Bengal group, which it is legitimate to count as part of the Bengal Renaissance. Johnbod (talk) 21:10, 10 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note that Derozian redirects to Young Bengal. Marcocapelle (talk) 20:57, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • This makes no sense - the two things are different, which is why they have two articles. So why restrict the category to those from the smaller part? And the Indian and Bangladesh projects should be informed, rather than just Europeans with no knowledge of the area meddling in it! Another area of the BR was Brahmoism (but not plain Brahmo), and its later splinter groups, which many articles mention. You can be sure not every bio in the "Italian Renaissance" tree includes those words. Johnbod (talk) 21:53, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very few people in this category are defined as a Brahmoist. Some are of a Brahmoist family but that does not count as a defining characteristic if they were not active in Brahmoism themself. The Indian and Bangladesh projects are informed by the project tags on the category talk page. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:34, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
That's always a highly dubious argument - Wikipedia:WikiProject Bangladesh/Article alerts averages less than 1 view a day. Johnbod (talk) 19:45, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with the Australian Labor Party

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:OCASSOC, as the header of the category page already indicates this is a hodgepodge category. The existence of Category:Australian Labor Party politicians‎ should be sufficient. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:58, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete merely being "associated" with something is almost always non-defining. If the party has members as the Communist Party of the Soviet Union did, then perhaps membership is defining, but it's not clear that this is what is being categorized here. Being associated with a political party, such as saying you support it or campaign for it or such is much like being associated with a sports team by supporting it or watching/attending its games. Not meaningful. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:19, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Either they are politicians (including party officials) or they are not worth categorising. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:39, 15 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Reorganise somehow This seems to be a catch-all for ALP people not easily categorised elsewhere, mostly people notable in other fields who were unsuccessful candidates for the party, various party officials & staffers, a handful of intellectuals who may have fought the column war for the party plus a few councillors and some people whose article says nothing about Labor connections. Candidates and party officials have never been terribly satisfactorily categorised - maybe we should clearly merge them to Category:Australian Labor Party politicians‎ as a firm precedent? Timrollpickering 08:42, 21 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with the anti-austerity movement

Nominator's rationale: delete, these are people associated with an anti-austerity movement in different countries, they do not have a relationship with each other. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:54, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People associated with Anonymous

Nominator's rationale: rename and purge per WP:OCASSOC, this is currently a hodgepodge category of people associated with Anonymous in very different ways. Marcocapelle (talk) 05:45, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. That's how we have Category:Alt-right not Category:People associated with the alt-right. wumbolo ^^^ 15:51, 6 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete per WP:OCASSOC and similar to my comments to the Labor Party above. "Activists" are hardly better. Look at our article "activism" which defines it as: "efforts to promote, impede, or direct social, political, economic, or environmental reform or stasis with the desire to make improvements in society. Forms of activism range from writing letters to newspapers or to politicians, political campaigning, economic activism such as boycotts or preferentially patronizing businesses, rallies, street marches, strikes, sit-ins, and hunger strikes." So anyone who writes to a newspaper or politician or campaigns could be an "activist". Malarkey. Carlossuarez46 (talk) 17:22, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 05:21, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Wikipedian document markup users

Nominator's rationale: I am proposing two changes: (1) to align with the title of the main article, Markup language; and (2) to replace "users" (which we all are) with a more active descriptor such as coders, writers, etc. (Category creator notified using Template:Cfd-notify) -- Black Falcon (talk) 03:36, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]


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