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March 24

Category:Specialist law enforcement agencies of Republic of Macedonia

Nominator's rationale: In line with other categories Rathfelder (talk) 22:28, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Women video bloggers

Nominator's rationale: Störm has created this category, citing WP:DUPCAT. That the subjects are gendered is not germane to video blogging and of course, this opens up questions about gender performativity. I think this category should be deleted per WP:GENDERCAT. Chris Troutman (talk) 16:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Best companies to work for awards

Nominator's rationale: The current name is unwieldy, apparently being derived from one of the member pages. It could even be misread as "companies that work for awards". In other cases we hyphenate the compound modifier phrase, but this one is long, and "Best-companies-to-work-for awards" would look daft. I suggest Category:Employer awards (following one of the parents, Category:Employers) but would not oppose Category:Workplace awards. – Fayenatic London 15:30, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Groups connected to the Khazars

Nominator's rationale: selectively upmerge per WP:OCASSOC. This category is intentionally vague in whether these peoples and tribes are Khazars or not. If they are Khazars they belong in the parent category, but if there is too much doubt then they shouldn't be in the Khazars tree at all. For example, the Akatziri article says "the theory that they were ancestors of the Khazars is not backed up by any solid evidence". Marcocapelle (talk) 13:12, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose - the category lists various groups, vaguely linked to the Khazars - sometimes by conspiracy theories or by known forks. Wikipedia shouldn't present theories and forks as facts!GreyShark (dibra) 09:08, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Greyshark09: Do I understand correctly that you would prefer to delete the category? The intention of the nomination is roughly along the same lines, in the sense that selectively has been added very deliberately and I also gave an example of an article that should be purged. Marcocapelle (talk) 19:55, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Ministry of Catering (Jordan)

Nominator's rationale: There does not seem to exist any such ministry. The google seach did not reveal any such thing except wikipedia categories. Shyamsunder (talk) 12:08, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:People of Cuman descent

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only one article in it. The Cumans were in the Ukraine from the 11th to the 13th century, then moved on to Hungary and assimilated, so it is very unlikely that these categories will be populated with more (Ukrainian) people who claim Cuman descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 11:10, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete Ukrainian item (or rather merge to Category:Ukrainian people), since the one article does not have that category yet and it will prevent orphaning the article; not sure about the other. This is a classic case of minute categories created to house claims about a person. That person also has Ukrainian people by ethnic descent (which should be a container only, if we need it at all and Ukrainian people of Asian descent, which is equally doubtful. Peterkingiron (talk) 17:59, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose. Actually, the category about Ukrainian people of Cuman descent, probably, should be upmerged to the category about people of Cuman descent. Also, user:Peterkingiron speculates on a subject without actually being familiar with it. Volodymyr Polovets openly declares about the fact that he is of Cuman descent and wrote a monograph about it. Also, the Marcocapelle's claim that Cumans left Ukraine is totally wrong. Cumans were active in intermarriage processes with the Kievan dukes and actively participated in ethnogenesis of modern Ukrainians leaving a print in Ukrainian toponymy. It is possible that some Cumans also have moved to Hungary as well, but certainly never completely left Ukraine. Aleksandr Grigoryev (talk) 21:33, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course I didn't mean to exclude the possibility of assimilation in Ukraine as well, but the Cumans settled in Ukraine a really long time ago so it will be very hard for anyone to claim Cuman descent, even harder to become wp-notable as a person of Cuman descent. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:25, 25 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete the Ukrainian subcategory, but keep the parent. It's rarely, if ever, possible to properly source a contemporary person's genealogy all the way back to the 13th century, so there's virtually no potential for that to actually grow past a WP:SMALLCAT. Polovets claiming Cuman ancestry does not mean it's proven that he does have Cuman ancestry, so he shouldn't be upmerged to the general parent category. The parent category, however, more correctly restricts itself to historical figures who were active in the time when Cumans existed, and thus aren't nearly as problematic as trying to prove that a person who's alive today actually belongs here. Bearcat (talk) 16:49, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Barlas

Nominator's rationale: delete per WP:SMALLCAT, only two articles and one subcategory. Move the eponymous article Barlas to Category:Mongol peoples, Category:Turkic peoples of Asia and Category:History of Central Asia. Marcocapelle (talk) 10:38, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Specialist police agencies of India

Nominator's rationale: Unnecessary distinction. Police agencies are law enforcement agencies. In line with other categories and the relevent articles. Rathfelder (talk) 10:35, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sports competitors

Nominator's rationale: Category:Sportspeople previously had the scope, "people involved in sports in some way", while Category:Sports competitors had the scope, "People who are notable for practicing sports, i.e. players, not administrators or other non-player roles." This was confusing, as the dictionary definition of sportsperson is "someone who plays sport". I have created Category:People in sports as a parent, and moved administrators, referees, etc. there. The scope of Category:Sports competitors now duplicates that of Category:Sportspeople, and should be up-merged. Paul_012 (talk) 09:28, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Television programmes

Nominator's rationale: Local usage trumps category similarity. In the UK (and in the other countries listed) a "program" refers almost solely to computer software (sometimes also to a course or regime), never to television. Grutness...wha? 05:58, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Also nominating -
Category:Television programs based on Australian novels → Category:Television programmes based on Australian novels
Category:Television programs based on Indian novels → Category:Television programmes based on Indian novels
Category:Television programs based on Irish novels → Category:Television programmes based on Irish novels
Category:Television programs based on New Zealand novels → Category:Television programmes based on New Zealand novels
Not sure what the usual spelling is for Canada; the Canadian category might also need renaming.
Also -
Category:Television programs based on works by Walter Scott → Category:Television programmes based on works by Walter Scott (per similar spelling for other UK authors - e.g., Category:Television programmes based on works by Charles Dickens, Category:Television programmes based on works by A. J. Cronin)
Category:Dracula television programs → Category:Dracula television programmes (British fictional creation)
I suspect that a better name could be possible for the Dracula category (open to suggestions!). Grutness...wha? 06:05, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Sportspeople who were artists

Nominator's rationale: Seems like a WP:TRIVIALCAT to me. Paul_012 (talk) 05:57, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Listify. As Peterkingiron says, it's an interesting intersection, but I'm not convinced it needs a category. I added a few others including Jean-Pierre Rives - I was surprised he wasn't already in the category! Note - if kept (or listified), the current name should be changed, as it implies that these are all people who started off as artists and became sportspeople, when the opposite is often the case.

Grutness...wha? 23:12, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete. No objection to listifying if desired, but we do not create a category for every possible "People who happen to be both X and Y" combination of occupations, if the intersection is not itself a WP:DEFINING characteristic in its own right. Bearcat (talk) 16:39, 26 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Academic pressure in Asian cultures

Nominator's rationale: This came up at Redirects for Discussion, but it appears that the nominator there (Backendgaming) may have emptied this category and made the redirect themself (I'm not sure on the history). I think categories for discussion is a better place to discuss this, since it largely asked what should be included in the category and whether it should be deleted. Oiyarbepsy (talk) 02:52, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Category:Lebanese communities outside Lebanon

Nominator's rationale: "X disapora by country" is a well-established category tree, but oddly the Lebanese diaspora (famously large and wide) lacked such a cat. I created Category:Lebanese diaspora by country this week and request that the non-standard "communities" cat be merged into my newer standardized equivalent. Thanks! MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:12, 24 March 2018 (UTC) MatthewVanitas (talk) 01:12, 24 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
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