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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Filiocht (talk | contribs) at 09:54, 8 December 2004 (Palladio: Main page trauma). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Old messages are at User talk:Giano archive 1

Please note:-Due to lack of time, I no longer do translations, here or by email.

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You've done a great job with what was an unpromising stub, unworthy of its subject. I've tweaked to tighten, added a couple of bibliographical notes. What's missing here is the English (and Irish) palladian villa, which I'm working on now. --Wetman 17:52, 16 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've added some text to Architecture of Ireland which may point towards some additional material on Irish palladianism. Filiocht 10:56, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)


Thanks for yours. I've changed headers in the Irish article. You'd be just the man to write biographies of Francis Johnston and James Gandon. Filiocht 13:49, Nov 17, 2004 (UTC)

Air? IRC?

Am I on the air? You mean on irc? I just went there to look, but didn't see you.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 20:16, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

FAC

Check out the FAC page, please excuse my audacity in nominating your article.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 20:35, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Odd people on my page

What can I say, my acquaintanceship includes sentient life forms from several parts of the galaxy.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 20:45, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

What on earth is wrong with them?

Yeah!! It's been up there for, like, years, and only one support vote yet, what can be going on?! It's not as if the article would take more than 15—20 seconds to read!--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 21:59, 17 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Great article and a pleasure to vote for. Filiocht 08:52, Nov 18, 2004 (UTC)

Richard Cassels

Thanks for the kind words. Always glad to help out a fellow admirer of architecture, historical and modern. I do have some questions about the content in the Richard Cassels article that I hope you can help me out with. Please bear with me...

  1. On the last sentence of the last paragraph in the Early work section, it says, "Walls were covered in stucco reliefs, ceilings triumphs of plaster, segmental mouldings, and carvings, in an almost rococo style peculiar to Ireland." I'm unfamiliar with the term ceilings triumphs of plaster – can you please explain or correct this?
  2. Legacy to Ireland – This last paragraph appears to be a bit too... literary? It's fine for an essay but doesn't seem appropriate for an encyclopedic entry. Mind if I trim this down?

--Junesix 03:50, Nov 19, 2004 (UTC)

Hitler image

Dracula, does you Hero of Socialist Labor gold star look like a photo of Hitler, by any chance? If it does, it's not your page that's been vandalized, it's the image it links to. I have reverted the vandalism of the image. If your page still shows Hitler, click shift + Refresh to clear the cache, and you should (I hope) see the star again. Best, [[User:Bishonen|Bish (Bosh)]] 18:28, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • OK, now try my advice four or five times. Hmmm? Yeah, I knew you'd think I was kidding, but actually, no. I was indignant at the ridiculousness of the proceeding myself, but Carl explained to me that multiple cache-clearing worked and why, I won't burden you with the why (still feeling a little faint after he burdened me with it, the young have no consideration).--[[User:Bishonen|Bish (Bosh)]] 19:32, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)


House of Lords

The relationship between the judicial functions of the House of Lords, the European Court of Justice and the European Court of Human Rights is quite interesting.

On-going British legal cases can be referred to the ECJ for a "preliminary ruling" on the interpretation of any EC law relevant to the case, but the ECJ simply rules on the interpretation of the EC law and leaves the application of that interpretation to the case to the domestic court. (In interpreting EC law, the ECJ also has regard to Convention rights too, where they are relevant.) Barring a few exceptions, such as challenging actions of the European Commission, British citizens can't start cases in the ECJ; in any event, British cases can't be appealed to the ECJ, "in desparation" or otherwise.

EC law could be considered to be a form of "superior law", in the sense that EC law will override incompatible UK law and the ECJ tells us what the EC law means, but only because we accept that that is the case (see below). The effects of the Convention are rather less concrete.

British citizens (subjects, if you prefer) can "in desperation" apply to the ECHR once they have exhausted their domestic legal options, but they can't appeal from a British court to the ECHR. The case in the UK would probably be "person versus person", but the case in the ECHR will be "person versus the UK", arguing that the UK has failed to guarantee the person's Convention rights: the ECHR rules whether the person's rights have been infringed, and, if so, the finding may be sufficient on its own, or the ECHR may order some (usually rather nominal) compensation; the UK considers itself bound in honour to pay any compensation and to deal with legal problem than has caused the infringement, but the ECHR has no real legal ability to enforce its rulings. Following the Human Rights Act, the UK courts can apply the Convention, but they can't overrule UK legislation that contravenes Convention rights: they can only make a declaration of incompatability.

Parliamentary supremacy is a basic tenet of the uncodified British constitution: while Parliament could always repeal the European Communities Act (referring not just the EEC, but the ECSC and Euratom too) and the Human Rights Act, but in the meantime we seem to have elevated European Commmunity law and the European Convention on Human Rights to the position where they are effectively entrenched - the doctrine of implied repeal, for example, doesn't seem to apply.

I agree that many people think that there are European courts that are in some way superior to the House of Lords, but I don't really think that is the case. -- ALoan (Talk) 19:56, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Well, apologies for teaching you to suck eggs :) -- ALoan (Talk) 20:04, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Not offended at all - just somewhat concerned that you may be offended at my puerile analysis. Given your expert knowledge (I am a humble tax lawyer, so what do I know), I suppose you have no inclination to help along the many articles referred to above? -- ALoan (Talk) 20:10, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Well, first of all, it was mostly written by User:Lord Emsworth; but in any event, it is about the House of Lords, not the judicial functions of the House of Lords, so I think we can forgive the article for not discussing the finer points of the relationship of the House of Lords, as a final court of appeal, with the ECJ and ECHR. -- ALoan (Talk) 20:34, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Your very own Nobel Prize

How's this?--[[User:Bishonen|Bish (Bosh)]] 22:17, 19 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Der Führer

You're welcome. - Fredrik | talk 08:30, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Poor old Dracula

Alas for poor old Giano on a zimmer frame, what pathos there is in seeing you dodder on about Reginald Maudling, of all people, while I am at the same time commenting with youthful zest on a music album (just below Reginald Maudlin on WP:FAC)! (Well, admittedly a Beatles album from just about the heyday of Reginald Maudlin, but never mind about that.)--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 19:43, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • You mean your parents leave you all alone sometimes? That's brilliant, do you microwave your own dinner and everything?--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 20:31, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • P. S. Your typically adolescent request for more sex in Reginald Maudling, of all places, gives you away, you know!--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 21:17, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I would love to write sections on architecture, on John Vanbrugh etc, but unfortunately I don't feel I know enough about the subject. If you want to insert a section on architecture feel free to do so - the best place for it is directly before "sociological issues", or send me some text and I'll add it; likewise the theatre section is disgracefully short so some stuff there would be good too. You don't have to British to edit the UK collaboration, just interested.

On the subject of the artwork of Hirst or other recent artists I don't know where to find copyright free images, otherwise I'd be happy to insert something inthe art section. I'll peruse around and see what artists I can find and see what fits.

-- Graham ☺ | Talk 20:04, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

I've even gone and inserted a section header for Architecture, between Art and Science. Go on, just a paragraph on it, you know you want to... -- Graham ☺ | Talk 20:08, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
Ok ok I've started to, but it won't appear on the page for a wee while because I have to keep looking things up: it's not a strong subject of mine... -- Graham ☺ | Talk 20:58, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
There you go then, I make no apologies for what's there, as I have explained already architecture is not a strong subject of mine. Feel free to edit/expand/delete/kill text at will, but please remember that the section is supposed to be a summary of the main points, rather than a complete history. -- Graham ☺ | Talk 21:33, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)
  • Hey, Giano, I saw you're starting an Immigrants' Collab group, i. e. yet another UK culture group not containing me, nice going!--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 21:41, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Intellectual Latins

Oh, OK, you want a really small group. I quite understand.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 22:00, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Our new collab

And now you expect me to say Charles II's. Not gonna happen.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (Talk)]] 18:17, 21 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Reginald Maudling

Would you now reconsider your vote for featured atricle on Reginald Maudling I've removed valentine's day, but alas can find no sex 213.122.195.196 13:59, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Aphra Behn the talk-show hostess

That's right, here she is, getting ready to interview Fergie. Sorry about the no sex! Bishonen

My award

Thank you very much, that's a beautiful, uh, instrument.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 16:43, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Gary the Guide

Aw, no, please don't abscond to Italian wiki, Dracula! You might try paying a visit to Foreign Bishonen if you must have a break from anglophilia. Everybody's ancient over there.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 17:55, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Framåtriktad!

Inte en smula god begreppen? Not at all, you're much too modest as always. We will all go framåtriktad when we go!--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 21:44, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Ah... ? Bishonen sleeps with the fishes... ? (You sent your boys? :-( ) The well! Of course, glad to, Bishonen does sleep with the babelfishes, arrividerci in the fountain!--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 22:43, 23 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Like a native

Oh, no, sure you do! I blame myself entirely, for the ethnic stereotyping. A good Sicilian boy tells me to sleep in the well, and all I can think of is cement ancle-bracelets? Shame on me.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 13:41, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Var kom babelfisken ifrån?

Bien sur comme un native, most impressive en smula god begreppen! Vous êtes un linguist naturel. Var kom babelfishsvenskan ifrån? Frutti di mare!--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 16:53, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Verdammt

Nein, ich meine überhaupt nicht das das Kultur UK FAC-fertig ist, seine Freund G muss den Verstand verlieren haben. Hoffentlich wird er nochmals überlegen, und noch ein bisschen warten, vielleicht ein Jahr. Es freut mich, or perhaps mir, zu hören, das die Italienische Familie ihre schöne Kinder so sehr indulgt, das machen auch wir hier ins Permafrost, die Anglo-American standards sind nicht die default option für die ganze Welt. Mein Gott, Deutsch is eine sehr schwierige Sprache, verdammt. Je regrette extremement l'absence de Enid Blyton. Culture of Foreign est aussi un page formidable. Au revoir,--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 18:20, 24 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Congrats

Great to see that Palladian architecture made FA status. Another one for the culture vultures. Filiocht 08:59, Nov 25, 2004 (UTC)

Congratulazioni

Articolo eccezionali prima pagina, framåtriktad!--[[User:Bishonen|Biziono (talk)]] 18:27, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

  • Darn it, I almost got that, I practically understood the whole thing, except the question mark. I think it's wonderful that you're trying to branch out linguistically, at your time of life. Are we ready for the cuneiform Esperanto now?--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 22:10, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)
    • I just saved a major addition to Culture of Italy, 5 seconds before I saw your request on my page!--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 22:25, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Actually not meant that way, you Volvo flamer

Dracula, when you read me as deliberately insulting you, you are normally correct, but this time I only meant to say that such a formulation of an article name was unlikely. There probably already is some article that fawns on the gas-guzzling road monstrosities you take pride in, somewhere on Wikipedia, but Automobiles of Italy sure ain't it. Anyway, you focus on the wrong thing here, how about the new sentence? And when is God going to become Italian, I'd like to see it.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 23:07, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC) P. S. Since I'm merely expanding William Shakespeare here, of course I'll drop it to attend to a crap Latino stub.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 23:16, 25 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Settled Shakespeare's hash

Hiya, minor UK author William Shakespeare fully taken care of with new article Shakespeare's reputation, may polish off Dante Alighieri next, or perhaps just see how much I can add to Culture of Italy before it gets VfD'd. I admire your new Automobiles of Italy, that one should survive! Have you had any reply about the mysterious diminution of the large Italian family yet? And how many more kids have you got room for in the nice big house, are you going for some sort of record?--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 20:36, 26 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Calmati

Calmati, Dracula! I've written a book on User talk:Maxx, go join in.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 17:58, 28 Nov 2004 (UTC)

Modernism

Hi, I've been away for a few days, hence the silence. Thanks for your very kind words on WP:FA. Will look at James Gandon later. Filiocht 08:39, Nov 29, 2004 (UTC)

Habsburg Spain

Thanks. I was happy to see it nominated and I'm just glad that the article is getting some attention. I think it should turn out quite well once some citations are added and it gets some more NPOV treatment. Adam Faanes 18:40, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Culture of Italy

Heh. Did you see that Culture of Italy got vandalized (pretty innocently), and was promptly reverted to the flaked-out "last version by Bishonen" by Ahoerstermeier? That's kind of funny. :-) But, well, I suppose the responsible option would be to turn the thing into a Redirect, to Italy.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 23:50, 1 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Earls of Leicester

The title of the present Lord Leicester is "Earl of Leicester, of Holkham in the County of Norfolk", rather than "Earl of Leicester of Holkham", since the "of Holkham" bit is simply a territorial designation and not part of the actual title. The 2nd Marquess Townshend was created Earl of Leicester before succeeding to that Marquessate, but by the time of the creation of the 1837 Coke Earldom his son and heir, the 3rd Marquess and 2nd Earl, would have been 59 and childless, and it would have been clear that he wasn't going to produce anyone to succeed him in the Earldom, so there wouldn't really have been much of a problem creating the title for the Cokes. If there's anything specific confusing you don't hesitate to ask, and I'll try to clear it up. Proteus (Talk) 17:27, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I would assume it means "2nd creation in the Coke family" or "2nd creation with a connection to Holkham". It's probably better to use the absolute count and call them "7th creation" or what not. Proteus (Talk) 17:47, 2 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Holkham Hall

Good idea to draw a plan, very helpful. Gotta love the tortuous and discreet route!--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 19:30, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Hey! :-)

Hey! Did you see that Palladian architecture is scheduled to adorn the Main page on December 7?--[[User:Bishonen|Bishonen (talk)]] 15:27, 4 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Congratulations on a fine result! --Wetman 04:34, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

F

F! I hope at least you don't have any problem viewing the Main page tomorrow.--[[User:Bishonen|Bishånen (tåk)]] 22:24, 6 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I have expanded the terse genealogical note into a skeleton recognizable as Lord Burlington, for your entertainment. The list of works is a shaky scaffold I'll come back to. Cheers! --Wetman 04:29, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Palladio

Nice to see it on the Main page today. Filiocht 08:39, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)

Well done on the Palladian architecture article - and nice to see the local wonderful Holkham Hall mentioned! Best wishes, Bruce, aka Agendum | Talk 10:01, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)

Personally, I'd like to see Abbey Theatre there before the centenary year ends. Filiocht 10:19, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
I requested it here some time back. Filiocht 12:44, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
I sometimes wonder if articles on main page shouldn't be protected for the 24 hours they're there. Filiocht 13:26, Dec 7, 2004 (UTC)
Have you recovered from the Main page trauma yet? Some awful changes were made, I noticed. Filiocht 09:54, Dec 8, 2004 (UTC)

At least he exists now. A shadowy existence. But Matthew Brettingham, John Carr, James Paine... I think the Woods should go as a subsection at Bath, since this is a general encyclopedia. James Gibbs is a glaring omission still. At least there are starts for James Wyatt, Henry Holland, John Soane, George Dance.... --Wetman 17:23, 7 Dec 2004 (UTC)