Talk:Xarnego

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Incredibly stupid comment

(... incredibly stupid comment that has been erased but I'll leave the replies intact ...) Walter Sobchak0 (talk) 15:10, 6 January 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Two members of my family were killed because they made a conference in catalan, near the Casa Batlló, in Barcelona. How can you say that the prosecution wasn't so hard? I can't imagine a harder persecution...

Valencian is a dialect of catalan, not backward as you say, oh my god, you don't know nothing, did you ever went to school?

The ONLY historical LANGUAGE of Catalonia is the CATALAN. Its historical. But Franco tried to change it, and he almost reached his objective. Almost.

Please, make us a present. Take a book and read it. If you know how to do it. Blaverista da merda. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.24.152.204 (talk) 20:50, 25 November 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Anonymous commentor, Catalonia predates Spain by many, many centuries. You said, "labelling your restaurant, shop or another business, in a language other than Catalonian is forbidden" which is a complete falsehood. There are endless business entities that are old with Castellano names as well as new ones that have Basque, French, English and other names. I would nearly feel sorry for people like you who just repeat what PP tells them, but in reality, you're causing a tremendous deal of cultural harm to Spain, which could easily survive with all its autonomous regions were it not for this right-wing nationalist rhetoric. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Primecoordinator (talk • contribs) 18:45, 18 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Catalan is not the primary language spoken in Catalonia. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 77.209.100.34 (talk) 08:51, 6 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

anonymous commentor, Catalan is a language based on Valencian language. We could discuss if Catalan is a dialect of Valencian, but Valencian language was born before normalisation of Catalan. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 213.61.167.35 (talk) 16:25, 16 February 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Curzio MALAPARTE, La pelle

I have never loved a woman, a brother, a friend, so much as I loved Febo. There was an affinity between us. It was in his honor that I wrote the tender pages of Un cane come me. He was a noble creature, the noblest I have ever come across in my life. He belonged to that breed of greyhounds -- a rare and delicate breed today -- which came long ago from the shores of Asia with the first Ionic immigrants, and which are known to the shepherds of Lipari as cerneghi.

Curzio MALAPARTE, La pelle — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.0.31.132 (talk) 18:23, 20 May 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Again, bias, not npov

As usual for the user, is forging content and biasing articles. Reverting to last edition before the edits in the same line as many others already deleted, by same reasons. --Panotxa (talk) 05:53, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Biased how? Its sourced. The fact that you don't like sourced information due to your political views is not really a strong argument.Sonrisas1 (talk) 06:42, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Panotxa please avoid blanking this article

Particularly based on your political views. It is fully sourced. If you have information to add, please do so, so long as it is properly sourced. Sonrisas1 (talk) 06:47, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Again, forging information, against NPOV, synthesis. The whole Historical context section is based in non-existing references and the only one (Naïk Miret's) doesn't even use the words Xarnego or Charnego. The whole Usage of term and discrimination during the 20th century section is based in references that doesn't even use the words Xarnego or Charnego. The section Decline and contemporary relevance is synthesis, and using again blogs. Everything already talked and solved in Wikipedia:Miscellany for deletion/Draft:Catalan Racism and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Catalan supremacism, so please don't insist in the same issues. --Panotxa (talk) 07:04, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

There is no SYNTH involved just your own political POV warrior attitude. Please look up what WP:SYNTH means. You have deleted 16 sources all discussing the history of Charnegos in Catalonia and all explicitly using the term Charnego. It is political activist blanking and pretty much vandalism. I will give you the opportunity to self-revert. Sonrisas1 (talk) 08:51, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

BBC's Catalans grapple with migrant influx doesn't use the words charnego/xarnego, it's about foreign immigration
Hoyos2014 is non-existing
Ajeno i Cosp, 1993 is non-existing
Naïk Miret's doesn't use the words charnego/xarnego
Arcadi Espada's Andaluces de Pujol doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego, it's about immigration. Anyway, non-scholar opinion
Jordi Pujol's La inmigración, problema y esperanza de Cataluña doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego, it's about immigration
La Vanguardia's Jordi Pujol alaba el arraigo en Catalunya de los inmigrantes andaluces y extremeños doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego
La Vanguardia's Los apellidos más frecuentes en Catalunya doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego. It's about people's names
La Vanguardia's La endogamia de las élites nacionalistas: 400 apellidos copan el 40% de la política catalana doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego.
RTVE's A la esposa de Pujol le molesta que Montilla sea un andaluz con el nombre en castellano doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego
Clua i Fainé's Catalanes, inmigrantes y charnegos... states Son situaciones de negación de los derechos que no siempre se deben a contextos de migración reciente ni se aplican sólo a los inmigrantes (page 62), which is absolutely inconsistent with the alleged statement such mechanisms of exclusion have returned to Catalonia leading to a new wave of internal immigration which occurred during the 1990s, that I can't find in the work mentioned.
León Gross El supremacismo nacionalista hasta los apellidos doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego. Anyway, non-scholar opinion. Anyway, all this theory is based in 8 surnames that are given to less than 10% of the total of catalan citicens (see https://www.idescat.cat/cognoms/)
Jordi Galves's Cornellà no és com Catalunya doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego. Anyway, non-scholar opinion
Maria Zuil's “Nos llaman colonos pero Cornellà representa más a Cataluña que Berga o Vic”doesn't even use the words charnego/xarnego.

So no sources even uses the word that names the article. So forging information, against NPOV, synthesis. --Panotxa (talk) 11:51, 6 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Etymology

There seems to be divergence in sources on etymology. Some say it was originally used in France to refer to Catalans others in Catalonia to refer to French. Would be good to clarify.Sonrisas1 (talk) 14:53, 8 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Reverting to the short version

Per Panotxa in the section above, not one of the sources in the expanded article discussed the term "Xarnego". That version was not an encyclopaedia article on the term, but an essay on relations between two linguistic communities, and a particularly POV essay at that. I can find no reference in even semi-reliable sources in English, Spanish or Catalan to the word becoming popular again recently (except for a couple of items about Gabriel Rufián self-identifying as one). I have reverted to the brief, encyclopaedic and NPOV version that was there from 2008 until two months ago, but incorporated any improvements that were made during those two months. Scolaire (talk) 17:24, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]

I have sources [1], [2], [3], [4], [5], [6]. search Xarnego or charnego on social networks so that you realize that is still much alive the expression.--ILoveCaracas (talk) 05:29, 18 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]