Talk:Code Pink/Archive 1

The more things change, the less they are this wiki article

Now the article reads even MORE like the code pink website. All criticism of the group and its actions are gone, and plenty of it is on the internet. Sources linked, still edits are removed. This wiki article shows how wikipedia can ignore truths and reality from a topic. Code Pink has quite a few prominant folks in opposition to the group and they act in ways that look terrible to an average person. Just because it is fact and doesn't look good doesn't mean it should be removed from the article. I think someone is "watching their back". If you belong to codepink or support their views, there is something called a conflict_of_interest and you need to get your damn hands away from this article.

NPOV

The criticism section includes only pro-war, right-wing sources (Michelle Malkin and, arguably biased Fox News). Unless someone has better sources, I will remove the criticism. --Tjss 04:00, 14 May 2006 (UTC)

Actually, you are incorrect. The sources are not Fox News or Michell Malkin nor are they right wing or pro war. The insight is directly from government sources and mainstream media. The sources are a result of thorough investigation and are legitimate. In fact, the facts presented are more accurate than the white-washed propaganda and complete regurgitation of "facts" from the Code Pink website. Try doing a bit more research before edititing anything based on a knee jerk reaction and screaming "FOX NEWS". —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.56.29.176 (talk • contribs) .

War Toys

What are war toys?

-DrAlbertHofmann —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 67.76.228.3 (talk • contribs) .

As I interpret it, "war toys" seem like military-themed toys for children. Whether this is what's intended or not, I don't know, but that's how I take it. SchuminWeb (Talk) 02:00, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

i.e. G.I Joe —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.6.241.82 (talk • contribs) .

Precisely. SchuminWeb (Talk) 04:50, 3 June 2006 (UTC)

And, especially, toy weapons. - Jmabel | Talk 19:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

Anti-Code Pink

People are entitled to be anti-Code Pink. But they are reminded that this is an encyclopedia. Additions must be cited. Those citations must be to reputable sources. The sources cited must reflect what the edit says: the users of this website are not stupid. To the anon who has a POV to push about this article: please stop. Your addtions are bordering on vandalism. Your citations are inaccurate. Your comments - here and only here - are welcome, but please keep your personal views out of the article. This is Wikipedia, not MySpace. ➨ ЯEDVERS 21:36, 28 June 2006 (UTC)

Great, however, there is no POV to push. Funny you should mention this given the "facts" that appear on this listing are nothing more than a regurgitation from the Code Pink website and or from someone who works for the organization. Perhaps you can provide some additional guidance as to sourcing, what I've posted is well-known in many circles, including documents retrieved via the Freedom of Information Act. I look forward to your comments. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 66.56.29.176 (talk • contribs) .

Well, I've tried to tell you about our guidelines and rules here at Wikipedia, but I'm happy to try to stress them again.

You should start by reading the easy guide to Wikipedia's ways: Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers. Then look at The five pillars of Wikipedia. That'll give you a basic grounding in what we're doing here at Wikipedia and why.

Now, for this article itself, there are a couple of policy pages you need to read. I've linked them for you before, but I'll provide the links again. So, the best place to start is WP:NPOV - our requirement that all entries to our encyclopedia are made from a neutral point of view. That means not spinning or twisting the words of sources, not saying what you or others think or feel. Just the facts, ma'am.

We require entries in this encyclopedia to be fully sourced. So you need to read WP:CITE for an explanation of what that means. Sources can be from various places and linked in various ways, but they must be relaible, so read WP:RS - our guide to what is and isn't a reliable source.

It's great that you've done so much research into Code Pink, asking people what they think and getting FoIA documents, but (and you knew one was coming!) we don't allow original research. You can read about this policy at WP:OR. All your conversations and FoIA documents are useless here, as we're not equipped (and don't want to be) for double-checking them. So you need to leave them at the door.

So, about contributing to this article. Well, there are a couple of things you can do. The first is to log-in - I know you have a sleeper account, so you could use that. Alternatively, just register for a new account (top right of the screen) - it's free, it's easy and above all it makes communication much easier. And we're all about communication here!

Then, think about why you want to write. Do you want to increase the sum of knowledge available for free to the human race? Or do you want to expose Code Pink and its members as a bunch of commie lesbian revolutionaries? If it's the the former - great! If it's the latter - ooh, sorry, but you've come to the wrong place. But there are plenty of other free places that you can print such stuff (I can email you a list if you like).

If it's the increasing-the-sum option, then you'll need to check a couple of things: is what you're writing (a) from a neutral point of view; (b) sourced, cited and easily checked by readers and your fellow editors; (c) not libellous.

It is? Great! Then, when the protection is lifted tomorrow, add it to the article. It will be subject to being rewritten, double-checked, mercilessly edited and even removed in part or as a whole by your fellow editors, but the closer it sticks to the rules I've linked for you above, the more stuff that will stay.

What if it isn't? Ooh, that's a shame. It'll be removed immediately by someone, they'll shout me, and I'll lock the article again for 24 hours. I'll also increase the warning level on your talk page by one - three strikes and, well, you know the rest.

So, have a read of the links above, rewrite what you want to say to be neutral with clear and reliable sources that are cited and with text that agrees with the source. Then either post it below today, or wait for ther block to expire and post it then. But note what I've said about our rules.

And also please note that you are not being singled out; you are not the victim of a rogue admin; you are not having to jump through hoops that others are not. You are simply being asked to follow the rules that Wikipedia's editors have decided upon jointly over 7 years.

I'll look forward to your contribution! ➨ ЯEDVERS 16:29, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I mostly agree with that; one quibble, and one disagreement. The quibble: it's only about 5-1/2 years, not 7, unless you are counting Nupedia. The disagreement: nothing wrong with FOIA documents in general; I haven't been following in this closely enough to speak of the particular ones. - Jmabel | Talk 04:36, 13 July 2006 (UTC)

Semi-protection

Still, better to talk first and act later. But now I've acted. Wikipedia is an encyclopedia. We welcome articles on all subjects, from contributors with many views. We also consider that all views are correct, but that our articles must represent all views or none - preferably none.

This article is now semi-protected. This is for 24 hours - I'll lift the protection tomorrow. But the anon with the POV to push: please don't. I've protected this article rather than block you again. You are welcome to edit at Wikipedia constructively. You obviously have knowledge that Wikipedia would like to print and the world would like to read. But your personal views - some of which seem to be bordering on libel - really are unwelcome here. So leave them at the door.

I'm sorry this disadvantages newer editors. Please post your changes below here and I will happily implement them for you. Thanks. ➨ ЯEDVERS 19:18, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Protection

I've had to resort to protecting this article - full, not semi - for another 24 hours. Material is being added to it which is unsourced and appears to be attacking the subject. The material breaks several Wikipedia rules - WP:V, WP:RS, WP:NPOV, WP:BLP. Therefore I'd like another attempt at a 24-hour cooling off period and I'll try, again, to reason with the anon adding this material.

Thanks for your understanding and I apologise for the inconvenience. ➨ ЯEDVERS 13:04, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

I agree. ActiveSelective 13:06, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

Comment

The neutrality of ths listing needs to be reviewed. It is merely a regurgitation of Code Pink's website. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 208.54.95.129 (talk • contribs)

Protection lifted

Protection of this article has been lifted. Before adding or subtracting anything, editors are requested to make themselves aware of Wikipedia's policies on neutrality and sources. These are detail in a pervious message from me above. Thank you. ➨ ЯEDVERS 19:50, 6 July 2006 (UTC)

BIASED

Why are Code Pink's more radical ideas and events not mentioned in the wikipedia article? They stormed Donald Rumsfeld's house, horned in on gas stations to block sales of gasoline, went to Cuba and Venezuela to offer words of support and encouragement for their leaders, went to Iraq to demand peace and influence policy overseas. All these are in direct conflict with the logan act, which is hardly enforced these days but is still around nonetheless.

This article makes Code Pink look like just a run of the mill group of anti-war folks that are simply against war, but in reality it seems they are much more of a cult of lunatics. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.77.241.31 (talk • contribs) .

Do you have citations for this? - Jmabel | Talk 03:16, 10 August 2006 (UTC)

PEOPLE WITH AN AGENDA

There is an obvious group of people with an agenda floating about on this wikipedia page. Code-Pink certainly has their critics, and when they are mentioned those names vanish. Many other pages, especially in regards to any American republican or someone with a shred of conservative value, include a long list of critics. It seems as if the below comment by Tjss is not sufficient in removing the critics to me. Code pink is listed as critics of the war in Iraq, yet nobody can list anyone with an opposing view to Code-Pink because OBVIOUSLY they must be conservative if they do so. It is ridiculous. Code pink holds more protests outside of FOX NEWS than anywhere for "war toys" mentioned in the article. Look at the wikipedia listing for fox news and notice Robert Greenwald's book mentioned. Is Robert Greenwald not a liberal who writes for The liberal online website The Huffington Post? There are double standards. This is a joke folks. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 205.213.208.42 (talk • contribs) .

Again, if you have citations for this, put it in the article with citations. - Jmabel | Talk 04:55, 26 August 2006 (UTC)