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Any guess why big jump in Android share [majority for one week in the US]..?

[and loss of share], e.g. just majority in the US[1] and similar pattern in at least the UK, but not all other countries, e.g. India. This is probably just a fluke, or release on some phone? comp.arch (talk)

Android OS

How do I get Android 8.0 on my Sony Xperia Z Ultra and HTC One M9 Gold ? Thank you--Tommyboynr1 (talk) 13:34, 7 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Tommyboynr1, Google (or your preferred search engine) is your best friend for that. Wikipedia is not a how-to guide, but rather an encyclopedia. --TheSandDoctor (talk) 17:05, 13 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi @Comp.arch: I just checked Wikipedia today and saw the reversion of my edit. To be honest, I am not really sure what you meant in your edit summary. Would you be willing to discuss it with me? I have multiple issues with the current text ("As of latest version", an unnecessary quote I believe can be adequately rewritten to avoid being a quote, and hidden text). Is there anything specific in my edit that you disagree with that you could explain differently? :) LocalNet (talk) 20:42, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

[https://source.android.com/devices/architecture/kernel/modular-kernels#core-kernel
  • All SoCs productized in 2017 must launch with kernel 4.4 or newer.
  • All other SoCs launching new Android devices running Android 8.0 must use kernel 3.18 or newer.] I.e. version 4.4 a requirement contradicted. I'm ok with not having all the gory requirement details, just not simplify too much. "new devices" with new SoCs yes, 4.4. I read "other SoCs" as a loophole for new devices with old chips ("SoC"), am I wrong? Maybe others/news sources [mis]read this, as only for updated devices, that they can keep old kernel. I was in a hurry so a just reverted for now. comp.arch (talk) 21:00, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Thank you for the reply! I do, however, think you misunderstand. I believe it states that new processor chips in 2017 must use kernel 4.4 or newer, but new devices still using older processor chips don't have the same requirement. My edit did not properly explain that, however. I propose this: "With the release of Android Oreo in 2017, Google began to require that devices shipped with new processor chips had Linux kernel version 4.4 or newer, for security reasons. Existing devices upgraded to Oreo, and new products launched with older processor chips, were exempt from this rule.[1][2]" The whole "SoC" thing is pretty much tech-speak, and I think it can be clearly communicated with a simplified "processor chips" statement. Thoughts? :)

  1. ^ Lynch, Doug (September 2, 2017). "Google is Mandating Linux Kernel Versions in Android Oreo". XDA Developers. Retrieved November 9, 2017.
  2. ^ Wycislik-Wilson, Mark (September 3, 2017). "With Android Oreo, Google is introducing Linux kernel requirements". BetaNews. eFront. Retrieved November 9, 2017.
After the edit conflict, I noticed that you had edited your message to state that you also thought of new devices with old chips as the, in your word, "loophole", so I apologize for making the assumption that you misunderstood. It appears we are on the same page, though, doesn't it? Is there anything you'd like to change about my proposed statement in my comment above this one? :) LocalNet (talk) 21:26, 4 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Going to assume silence means consensus and make a change based on my proposed revised statement above. LocalNet (talk) 18:29, 7 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

AOSP

I think this article is missing a section describing AOSP; what it is, who maintains it, what it comprises, who uses it as a base for their work, etc. --uKER (talk) 19:35, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Hi @UKER: Is there actually significant enough coverage of it by reliable, secondary sources? A simple Google search by me turned up only an Android Central article, and that's not enough to warrant its own section. At this time, it is included in "Open-source community". LocalNet (talk) 20:36, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
What do you mean? AOSP is the codebase for the whole Android OS. You're not questioning its notability, are you? See this. I didn't get the thing about your Google search. Come to think about it, however, AOSP should be mentioned in the article. A separate section probably doesn't make much sense. I'll see to do it. --uKER (talk) 20:52, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Hi. I had to revert the recent edits and I want to explain why. "AOSP is the codebase for the whole Android OS". Sure, that may be true. But the fact is, most sources discuss Android, not the project behind it. My point is, AOSP may be the base of Android's open nature, but the project itself may not have gotten much media attention from the press. It exists, as is noted in "Open-source community", but that doesn't mean it is majorly significant to the average reader. My Google search for AOSP prompted only a single secondary source about it. Wikipedia bases content on secondary sources, and on primary sources as little as possible. Did that make sense? :) LocalNet (talk) 22:26, 20 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Simply put, I don't really get the urge to deliberatly omit the mention of the project. Minute tech details about electronics devices are often only covered in primary sources and I don't see them being omitted because of it. I'd understand it if it was a disputable claim as if android.com claimed Android is the greatest OS in the universe, but I don't think that's the case. --uKER (talk) 00:55, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
We aren't "deliberately omitting the mention". It is stated in "Open-source projects". Furthermore, it is actually also explained in the lead as "released by Google under an open source license". And if something is "often only covered in primary sources", then promoting it becomes undue weight, as regardless of its importance, we still rely on the prominence of information by secondary sources for inclusion or explanation in the lead. LocalNet (talk) 05:23, 21 December 2017 (UTC)[reply]
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