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The title of this article is wrong, it isn't the "U.S. Bureau of Immigration and Customs Enforcement," it is simply "U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement" —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eddief (talk • contribs) 22:47, October 18, 2005 (UTC)

I will move the page to the appropriate title. WAvegetarian (talk) (email) (contribs) 10:36, 10 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]


Is not the FBI the largest investigative arm of DHS? Why is ICE listed as such?


No, the FBI is not a part of DHS, it is part of the Department of Justice (DOJ).

NPOV

I removed a large part of the "hiring process" section which was copied partly from ice.gov, used the phrase "our country", etc. I was then disappointed to see phrases such as 'The motto of ICE, "Integrity, Courage, and Excellence," is represented by the approximately 15,000 people ICE employs'. The criticism section cites no sources and minimizes criticism using phrases such as "there are those who feel". Overall, the article appears to have a significant pro-ICE bias. Rhobite 05:01, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Someone replaced the paragraph so I'll attempt to explain my objection a little more. Saying they hire "the best people America has to offer" is meaningless and unverifiable. It's a fine statement for them to make on their recruiting web site, however meaningless superlatives have no business in a Wikipedia article. Similar objections to the statements that the process of becoming an employee is "extremely arduous", and that their agents "make a personal contribution to the safety and security of our country" (please don't assume that all readers are American). I hope this explains why I have reverted this paragraph again. Rhobite 12:14, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]


-The following statements are fact and non-biased, nor are they meaningless superlatives. Therefore, they are not subject to NPOV guidlines.

"As the largest investigative arm of the Department of Homeland Security, U.S. Immigration and Customs Enforcement attracts and hires the best people America has to offer."
"The broad law enforcement mission and authorities of ICE carries unusual trust and responsibility, therefore, the process of becoming an ICE employee is extremely arduous and very competitive."

These statements are true and not written as a sales-pitch. Nor are they on the ICE.gov website. These statements simply describe, in a very general but realistic fashion, the quality of applicants ICE attracts and the difficulty in getting hired. It's disappointing to have statements completely deleted from an article yet have no suggestive correction or suitible substitute offered. User:JasonSr 14:47, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All Wikipedia articles must follow the Wikipedia:Verifiability policy. Statements which discuss the "best people America has to offer" are by their nature unverifiable. Do you have a source for this statement? What if I believe that the best people in America are actually hired by the Army Rangers? How are we supposed to resolve our two opinions when they are not based on factual data? I'm removing this text again and asking for a Wikipedia:Third opinion. Also, as Wikipedia doesn't make recommendations, we do not direct people to apply to ICE - I've modified the hiring paragraph to rephrase the recommendation. Rhobite 02:06, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Sorry, no. These are emotive statements based on loaded word-choices and absolutely violate WP:NPOV in my opinion. Arker 02:37, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
Found my way here via WP:3O. I would have to agree. If we have reliable sourcing, we could easily explore the quality of people that are attracted or hired -- if it's been studied, it seems a perfectly legitimate thing to mention. The first statement above ("best people") really does sound like a hiring ad, no offense. The second statement seems more acceptable; I can see why others might not quickly approve, but only the first one shoots up major red flags, for me. Writing from a neutral point of view is amazingly difficult -- when writing almost anywhere else, we're encouraged to stake out a POV without even really thinking about it, and old habits die hard. Just takes a bit of getting used to (and peer review doesn't hurt). I appreciate the good-faith effort to improve the encylopedia, regardless. Cheers! Luna Santin 09:32, 1 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with the previous three posters. Nice try, Jason Sr. -- Autumninjersey 17:15, 13 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I do not think that this article can ever be balanced without a good section called "Criticism" -- the deaths in custody only hint at the larger problem of placing this force under DHS and not Justice. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 196.12.203.124 (talk) 15:17, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Non-encyclopedic text moved from article to discussion

The following text was removed from the last paragraph of section 6, Critisism because it appears to be non-encyclopedic and contains rhetorical discussions and personal opinion. Perhaps someone familiar with the legal position of Federal enforcement of Child Pornography laws as appliece to ICE can edit the passage into something that can be included in the article.


Child pornography seems to have little to do with customs and immigration, but the sensitivity of the subject allows ICE to make these arrests. The constitutionality of this role of ICE, and whether these investigations and arrests are within the department's jurisdiction, is not clear or explicit. (The person that placed this criticism is obviously unfamiliar with child pornography investigations or is an advocate of child pornography him (or her) self. ICE indeed possesses the constitutional authority to enforce federal law relating to 1. All persons within the jurisdiction of the United States (including U.S. citizens and aliens) 2. Laws relating to the United States border. 3. Commerce. Remember, the "commerce clause" of the United States Constitution dictates (paraphrase) that Congress may enact laws relating to COMMERCE amongst and between the several states. Child pornography (like narcotics, weapons, humans, goods, etc.) is commerce that crosses state (and mostly) international borders. That is why ICE is charged with enforcing child pornography (and sex tourism) laws, however, unpopular you may think it to be. Furthermore, your statement that "...the sensitivity of the subject allows ICE to make these arrests" is a weasel word phrase based on your personal opinion. Since it isn't based on fact I does not belong in an article of encyclopedia quality. Additionally, due to my own ignorance, I don't know how to place this response to your criticism in the discussion section (where your criticism and my response belong) so perhaps someone more familiar with Wikipedia can.) —The preceding unsigned comment was added by TGC55 (talk • contribs) 17:47, 5 May 2007 (UTC).--TGC55 17:50, 5 May 2007 (UTC) (man! that bot is fast)[reply]

Section on Hiring has no citations; is it really true? --Allyn 05:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)

Hello:

I added a note to the section on Hiring that it does not have sources. I dispute the accuracy of this section because of some sources that I have seen in the past that morale was very low and that it is not a desireable place to work; people are using it as a last resort for a place of employment. --Allyn 05:07, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Reverts

Okay, I believe the edits by Bankbryan are fairly valid and I would like to make these recommendations:

  • Make the table header read, "US Immigration and Customs Enforcement," as their website reads, but within the article, change the references to ICE, instead of US ICE, US Immigration and Customs Enforcement, or Immigration and Customs Enforcement. That would help the readability.
  • Leave the motto in the table with the bolded first letters, showing the relationship between the motto and the agency's acronym. The motto should not have the bold features elsewhere in the article.
  • Leave out U.S. in all further references to ICE in the article.
  • Special agents should be capitalized when directly referencing their positions within the United States Government, as well as any other positions within ICE.
  • Does the order of the article sections really matter?

Just some ideas. Thoughts?

Lasdlt (talk) 20:25, 14 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

requests, suggestions, and edits from ICE

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--geddy76 19:33, 27 July 2009 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Geddy76 (talk • contribs)

Info about entry compliant issues....

--222.67.213.98 (talk) 03:05, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

--222.67.213.98 (talk) 03:26, 23 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

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Public Release Approved Information ONLY

- Please ensure all information is approved for public release Anathema 1001 (talk) 02:12, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Deaths in ICE Custody

I found: http://www.ice.gov/doclib/foia/reports/detaineedeaths2003-present.pdf

WhisperToMe (talk) 07:30, 5 February 2011 (UTC)[reply]

ICE raid March 7, 2011 in Buffalo New York

  • I got this from The Buffalo News; it has Dan Herbeck's byline:


"City of Buffalo Child porn raid wrong, but no apology by feds

West Side businessman traumatized at home because of 'Wi-Fi theft'"

By Dan Herbeck NEWS STAFF REPORTER

Published: March 17, 2011


"At about 7 a.m. March 7, federal agents battered open the back door of a Buffalo businessman's home, where they seized his computer after allegedly pulling him down a flight of stairs.

They told him he was in a lot of trouble, accusing him of downloading child pornography, although they didn't arrest him.

The federal agents pointed automatic weapons, scaring the businessman and his wife.

Three days later, agents returned the computer to the man. Law enforcement officials now realize he never sent or downloaded any images of child porn.

Someone else, it turned out, repeatedly used the businessman's wireless Internet service -- commonly known as Wi-Fi -- downloading child porn onto a different computer from an apartment close to the businessman's West Side residence.

A Buffalo man -- John E. Luchetti, a 25-year-old neighbor of the businessman -- was arrested in the case Wednesday.

But so far, there has been no apology. (Update: The businessman received an apology on Thursday.) Nor any offer of payment for the battered door. And the businessman, who did nothing wrong, had to hire attorneys to represent him.

"It's a cautionary tale for the Internet age; that's for sure," said attorney Barry N. Covert, who represents the Buffalo businessman, who does not want to be identified for fear that it will adversely affect his livelihood.

This is not the first time in the United States that "Wi-Fi theft," or "Wi-Fi mooching," caused someone to be wrongly suspected of involvement in child porn, according to computer experts and Covert's co-counsel, Christopher S. Mattingly.

A similar incident occurred last June in Sarasota, Fla., when a dozen FBI agents approached a lawyer at his waterside condominium and told him he was suspected of sending images of child porn. In that case, the real culprit turned out to be a man who used the lawyer's wireless connection while sitting in a boat in a marina nearby, police said. That man was arrested.

"These two cases are kind of a worst-case scenario, but it can happen," said David J. Murray, a cybersecurity expert who is an associate professor in the University at Buffalo's School of Management. "Most people don't realize the dangers they could face if they don't take the right security steps when they install Wi-Fi on their computers."

The U.S. Attorney's Office declined to comment on the March 7 raid in Buffalo, and officials from U.S. Immigration & Customs Enforcement declined to comment directly on it, although they did address some general questions about child porn raids and investigations.

"All search warrants are conducted in a manner that ensure to the greatest extent possible the safety and security of both the special agents executing the search warrant and anyone who may be inside the premises," said Michael W. Gilhooly, a spokesman for ICE.

But what about busting into an innocent family's home?

The West Side businessman said he is angry with ICE. "To come in the way they did seems overzealous," the businessman told The Buffalo News. "I guess they felt I was scum and I deserved whatever I got."

The man, who is in his 40s, spoke on the condition that his name not be published. Even though he is innocent, he said, any publicity attaching his name to the phrase "child pornography" would hurt his restaurant business. He said he considers child porn "disgusting [and] abhorrent."

"I'm angry because they didn't do their homework," the businessman said of the ICE agents. "I'm not a computer geek, but even I know that someone standing outside your home can use your Wi-Fi."

He said he and his wife were sleeping when they were awakened by a series of loud bangs on their rear door. The man said he threw on a bathrobe and rushed down the stairs. He said he was halfway down the stairs when a team of "at least seven" federal agents screamed and pointed firearms at him.

"Their jackets said 'ICE' on them, and I didn't know what that meant," the man said. "They yelled at me to get down, but I was about seven steps from the bottom, and I didn't know what to do. Some of them grabbed me and dragged me down the stairs. I fell against a table and landed on the floor. I was lying there with all these guns pointed at me."

The businessman said he asked the agents what they were looking for.

"You know why we're here," the man quoted one agent as telling him. "You're a child pornographer. Your screen name is 'Doldrum.' ... We know you had a big download from a child porn site just last night."

The businessman said he repeatedly told agents that there must be some mistake. "For 90 minutes, they treated me like there was absolutely no question or doubt that I was guilty," he said. "Agents went upstairs with me and watched me while I got dressed and used the bathroom."

Agents looked at his computer for about two hours, and during that time, the businessman said, "their demeanor toward me started to change."

"I am sure that they could tell from examining my computer that I had not downloaded any child porn, the previous night or at any other time. ... I think they started to realize they had the wrong guy," he said.

Still, when federal agents left the house, they took his computer, two cell phones and an iPad networking device, the man said.

"The agent in charge gave me her name, Karen Wisniewski, and her phone number. They just left with our stuff," the businessman said. "It took me about a day and a half to go from being really scared to being really mad."

In court papers filed Wednesday, Wisniewski said "the subscriber" at the house initially searched by ICE "was not the individual who utilized the user name 'Doldrum.'"

"[The] subscriber maintained a wireless router at his residence that was not password-protected, and could therefore be accessed by others in the vicinity," Wisniewski said in a court statement. Court papers indicate that the agents had a search warrant when they went into the businessman's home.

Why was there no apology?

Gilhooly and Lev J. Kubiak, a supervisor of ICE investigations in Western New York, said they could not comment. Speaking in general terms, Kubiak said agents use extreme caution conducting any raid, regardless of the alleged crime, because they never know what awaits them in any home.

Mattingly and Covert, who represent the businessman, said this case points to the need for investigators to do more research about an individual before raiding his home and accusing him of a crime such as child porn.

"I have represented a lot of these defendants over the past 10 years. The people I have represented are computer geeks, not dangerous people," Covert said. "I can't see the point of going into this house with all kinds of automatic weapons."

In reaction, law enforcement officials pointed out that, in August 2004, a sheriff's deputy was shot to death by a child porn suspect during a raid in Fort Lauderdale, Fla. ....."

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Assistant secretaries/Directors?

Why aren't the leaders (called assistant secretaries at least in the Bush Administration) of ICE mentioned here? What's about Michael J. Garcia, Julie Myers, John P. Torres (after whom the navigation per "succeeded by" stoped in 2008). Looking at Daniel Ragsdale or Thomas Homan, it seems that the Obama Administration has changed that post to a Director - but there's no information about that in this article. There should be a list of Directors (formerly Assistand secretaries) and an explanation when that position had been changed. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 00:52, 10 May 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Finally, I've mainly used that ICE history, which for ones contained the four names of the rarely ever by ICE mentioned Directors, to edit a list, but also needed to dig very deep into other sporadic sources to find out about exact dates and the Acting Directors' names. Could anyone be able to find out the exact dates for Michael J. Garcia and John P. Clark? Although I could hardly imagine that the date of the foundation of the "second-largest criminal investigative agency" of the country would be unknown, ICE and other sources always only write March 2003 (not the exact date) as the start of their and Garcia's work. --SamWinchester000 (talk) 14:52, 28 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Dual Citizenship Detention

There are mixed articles featuring Criminals that did and did not receive ICE detention. Can or can't ICE investigate?

No: (Mexican cartel) http://www.greeleytribune.com/news/crime/weld-district-court-judge-sentences-drug-dealer-with-cartel-connections-to-18-years-in-prison/

Yes: (Canadian Prostitute) http://www.mercurynews.com/2017/04/03/ice-detains-alix-tichelman-after-her-release-from-santa-cruz-jail/ Twillisjr (talk) 00:58, 1 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

SEVP

How does SEVP, which is not mentioned in the article, fit into the structure of ICE? Shouldn't this be mentioned in the article? 2601:642:C301:119A:C0DF:98E9:852F:6503 (talk) 02:54, 14 July 2017 (UTC)[reply]

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