Wikipedia:Categories for discussion/Log/2017 June 17
June 17
NEW NOMINATIONS
Ancient year and decade categories in China, Italy and the Roman Republic
- Option A: merge to year categories "in Asia" and "in Europe"
- Propose merging Category:512 BC in China to Category:512 BC in Asia and Category:6th century BC in China
- Propose merging Category:375 BC in China to Category:375 BC in Asia and Category:4th century BC in China
- Propose merging Category:349 BC in China to Category:349 BC in Asia and Category:4th century BC in China
- Option B: merge to global instead of continental year categories
- Propose merging Category:512 BC in China to Category:512 BC and Category:6th century BC in China
- Propose merging Category:375 BC in China to Category:375 BC and Category:4th century BC in China
- Propose merging Category:349 BC in China to Category:349 BC and Category:4th century BC in China
- Nominator's rationale: merge to century categories per country (in both option A and B) per WP:SMALLCAT, nearly all these categories have only one article without a reasonable chance of expansion.
- Note 1: this is a continuation of the previous nomination of June 9. In the previous discussion there was some support for an option skipping the continent category layer, so this has been added in this discussion as option B right from the start.
- Note 2: on the talk page there is a list of container categories that naturally become empty if this merge is accepted. Though they haven't been tagged, it would be helpful if the closing admin deletes them too upon closing this discussion.
- Note 3: all articles of years and decades in 201-280 in China are already in the tree of Category:Three Kingdoms which is a subcat of Category:3rd century in China so they don't need a double merge.
- Pinging editors who participated in earlier discussions @Oculi, Tim!, Nyttend, Peterkingiron, J 1982, Neutrality, Inter&anthro, and Le Deluge: feel free to comment on this new nomination too. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:50, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Ancient and medieval Macedonia
- Propose merging Category:Ancient-era Republic of Macedonia with Category:Ancient Macedonia (region) to Category:Ancient Macedonia
- Propose merging Category:Roman-era Republic of Macedonia to Category:Roman Macedonia (and add Category:Roman history of modern countries and territories as a parent to the latter)
- Propose merging Category:Medieval Republic of Macedonia to Category:Medieval Macedonia
- Nominator's rationale: merge because
- it's odd to have a modern country category and a historical region category next to each other while they both have the same name and a substantial geographical overlap
- we'd better remove the "(region)" disambiguator, thus keeping it deliberately vague whether we mean the historical region or the area of the current republic. This way the current republic can keep its category tree like other countries.
- This is a new nomination based on this earlier discussion; pinging the participants of the earlier discussion @Peterkingiron, Laurel Lodged, Tim!, and Fayenatic london:. Marcocapelle (talk) 07:24, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
- Oppose due to the rationale being surprisingly ill-informed. In principle, I find the "Ancient-era modern country X" categories silly and redundant, but apparently they are a thing in Wikipedia, and one should not mix things from different eras that mean different things just for simplicity's sake. I would support simplifying to "Ancient Macedonia", for instance, but not for the reasons stated, and not through a merge as proposed: the actual area covered by ancient Macedonia before its imperial phase does not really exhibit "substantial geographical overlap" with the modern Republic, which has more to do with Paeonia. Likewise, "Roman Macedonia", at its largest extent, covered most of modern Albania, large parts of Greece and parts of Bulgaria as well, and at its smallest extent, the province of Macedonia Prima corresponded roughly to Greek Macedonia, and Macedonia Secunda to the southern three quarters of the modern Republic of Macedonia. Constantine ✍ 08:12, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Category:Prostituted children
- Propose merging Category:Prostituted children to Category:Child prostitution
- Nominator's rationale: I was asked this in my user talk page: (Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:38, 17 June 2017 (UTC))
Hi, Anthony Appleyard. What should I do about this? I was about to list it at WP:Requested moves, but, while previewing my post, I got a message that the page is not for category moves. I was pointed to Wikipedia:Categories for discussion. Either way, I think that the move should be reverted because it was undiscussed and I don't believe that the rationale provided by Doseiai2 is valid. I tried to revert the move myself, but something is preventing it. Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:26, 17 June 2017 (UTC) Flyer22 Reborn (talk) 03:29, 17 June 2017 (UTC)}}
where the pointer "this" points to this category page move. (The majority of this category's members seem to be not names of people but events and groups related to prostitution.) Doseiai2's move edit comment for the category page move is "Doseiai2 moved page Category:Child prostitution to Category:Prostituted children: fixed language that victimizes". Anthony Appleyard (talk) 04:45, 17 June 2017 (UTC)
Category:Article namespace templates
- Propose deleting Category:Article namespace templates - Template:Lc1
- Propose deleting Category:Article namespace templates - Template:Lc1
- Nominator's rationale: Category contains only one page, and it is a subcategory. — Mr. Guye (talk) (contribs) 22:03, 17 May 2017 (UTC)
- Keep. It's one of a set of similar categories (see Category:Wikipedia templates by namespace). (category creator) DexDor (talk) 19:27, 23 May 2017 (UTC)
- Merge to Category:Wikipedia templates by namespace, then possibly rename Category:Article message templates to Category:Article namespace templates. The extra category layer is redundant but the content should be kept in the tree. Marcocapelle (talk) 03:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, ℯxplicit 01:18, 17 June 2017 (UTC)