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Lrednuas Senoroc

Lrednuas Senoroc (talk+ · tag · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · spi block · block log · CA · CheckUser(log) · investigate · cuwiki)

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For archived investigations, see Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Lrednuas Senoroc/Archive.


09 January 2017 (originally 30 December 2016)

– This SPI case is open.

Suspected sockpuppets

Per WP:DUCK. The ip ranges belong to notorious disruptive editor Lrednuas Senoroc. The last year, the user was reported on ANI by user Hegvald and his sock accounts were banned from editing. In an another ANI report, an another user highligted the problematic edits of the same ip-hopper on FGM and Kurdish women. See this. The same editor was also warned and reverted by Doug Weller. See this and talk pages of related articles. However, he continue the same disruptive edits through ip-jumping (in order not to be noticed), clear source falsifications, meatpuppeting/canvassing (e.g. pinging other Turkish nationalist editors to "win" the discussions or to achieve intended consensus), cherry pickings, ip-sockings/proxy sockings and ongoing campaign targeting a minority ethnic group. His geolocation was Switzerland but since 25 June 2016, he has been editing from Germany 1 2.

All of their contributions focused on almost all Kurdish-related topics (specificially Kurdish women, FGM, Women in X country, Christians in Kurdish dominated areas, Kurdish mythology, history, culture, demography, revolts, human rights, diaspora Turks and Kurds, Kurdification, honor killing, Kurdish refugees, etc.)

Evidences regarding “habitual behaviors” of (old)Swiss and (current)German ip socks and sock accounts:

  • Targeting the same ethnic group with the same agenda
  • IP-jumping in order not to be noticed
  • Blaming other editors for “personal attack” when those editors notice his disruptive edits: 1, 2, 3
  • Copying the same (or partly modified) content from one article to another: 1,2, 3,4,5,6, 7,8,9,10,11...
  • Moving certain offensive contents/sections (which were added by him) upward to take more attentions of readers: 1, 2, 3, 4...
  • Detailed and sensational style of writing to affect readers : 1, 2, 3...
  • Often violating WP:COPYVIO and WP:RS-most of his edits were deleted by JzG and Diannaa: 1,2,3,4,5,6,7... (However he restores them.)
  • Disruptive editings through WP:CHERRY, WP:SNEAKY, WP:FICTREF and source falsifications. The last example was mentioned here. To see the previous “Swiss” ips’ violations, please check the related articles’ talk pages, revision histories and/or related ANI reports. 
  • Being familiar with Wikipedia terminology, procedure, templates etc. : 1, 2, 3, 4, 5,
  • Disruptive tagging-unnecesary merging  and/or deleting the articles, probably because he does not like their “content”: 1,2,3,4,5,6. For more diffs, see the contribs of his sock account Hassan Rebell
  • Canvassing and meatpuppetry: 1, 2, 3...
  • Impersonating veteran editors by choosing similar usernames : 1, 2, 3, 4
  • Using proxies and ipv6s, when his physical ips are disclosed or become “notorious: 1, 2, 3, 4
  • Stalking contribs of particular editors and often edit-warring with them (eg. Ferakp and Vekoler)
  • Restoring his previous socks’ edits: 1, 2

Compare Swiss ipv4s of Lrednuas Senoroc and the German ipv4s on Kurdish women: 1, 2, 3 and 1, 2; on Honor killing: 1, 2, 3, 4, 5 and 1; on Human rights in post-invasion Iraq, Syria etc.:1, 2 and 2, 3, 4, 5; on Kurdification: 1, 2, 3, 4. He also used ipv6s (from Germany). See: 1, 2 and compare them with 1, 2 Regarding Kurdish population in Turkey, see 1, 2.

On the other hand, just like his older socks, the German ips are active on Christianity in Kurdish-dominated area-related articles (wishing to emphasize Kurdish "savagism" against Christians and de-emphasizing Ottoman role in Assyrian and Armenian genocides through putting emphasis on attacks of Kurdish tribes), on the articles of Kurdish and Turkish diaspora (trying to prove that most of "immigrant" Turks are actually Kurds and associating them with honor killings, crime, etc). Totally the same agenda with confirmed ip socks of the same editor.

Besides, there is an obvious sockpuppetry through proxies. Compare this addition by ip 87.189.xx and this by an ip from the US.

An another proxy sock of Lrednuas Senoroc have complained about an editor  whose contribs are often stalked by the same sockmaster 1 The previous Swiss and current German ips of the sockmaster also edited "History of Kurds" and related articles before-seems those topics are within his are of interest too: 1, 2. Further, the ip from “France” weirdly complained about additional issues which are clearly off-topic  but the pet topics of the sockmaster Lrednuas Senoroc.  Namely women rights, Christianity, anti-Turkism, etc.  Plus, the “French” ip accused the editor as “nationalist”, “meatpuppet” as ip sock of the same sockmaster did while he was arguing with user:Doug Weller on his talk page and provided exactly the same link/diff to prove his "righteousness": 1, 2. Again, clear WP:DUCK case through abusing various proxies. 

In a nutshell, clear WP:DUCK case with WP:NOTHERE, WP:DISRUPT, WP:SOCK through using various ipv4s, ipv6s, proxies and accounts. A range block for his current German ip ranges(87.189.xx/88.128.xx/81.92.xx) and ipv6s would be useful to prevent wikipedia further disruption by the same ip-jumping editor. It is a serious problem, since he also targeted "indefinite protected" articles too. See: this request on user Beeblebrox's talk page. Also, mind that this guy intentionally switches his ip in order not to be noticed. See his last edits: 1 and 2. Ip sock 87.189.xx made his last edit on 20.01 and just a few minutes later ip 88.128.xx edited an another article. Also see: this and this. Again, ip sock 87.189.xx made his last edit at 19.51 and after a few minutes ago, ip 88.128.xx copied the same content an another article. 46.221.216.243 (talk) 00:08, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@Materialscientist:, @Doug Weller:, @Favonian:, @DoRD: please take a look at this case. The user might be a "paid editor", since most of his edits requires a large amounts of time and even the most active users do not spend such a time on the internet/wikipedia. Plus, his "knowledge" regarding Wikipedia terminology is also makes my doubts possible. 46.221.173.105 (talk) 05:54, 30 December 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I have added two socks to the list. The “new”  account Nilgravity was created after his ip ranges were revealed on this SPI case.  The account’s suspicious acts are:

  • Adding the same/similar content with previous ip socks in Kurdish or Christianity-related articles:1, 2. For the similar/same additions of ip socks, please see the revision history of Christianity in Iraq, Persecution of Christians, Iraqi-Assyrians, etc.
  • Moving the preferred section/content (that was added by him) upward probably to take more attention of the readers : 1, 2, 3, 4

I have added Kinetsubuffalo to the list too. I know the account is stale but it should be tagged as “suspected sock” at least per WP:DUCK.

  • The file regarding FGM in Iraq was uploaded by user:Kinetsubuffalo on 17 April 2016 on Commons and  just a few hours later, the same map added an article by notorious “Swiss” ip (those Swiss ips are confirmed ip socks of Lrednuas Senoroc, he admitted it. See previous case). See:this.
  • The same user created new pages, namely “Rape in Kurdistan”, “FGM in Kurdistan”, etc. and redirected them to certain articles articles which were edited by the previous Swiss ip socks of Lrednuas Senoroc.
  • Additionally, the account’s user name is very similar to user user:Kintetsubuffalo.  Please note that, his previous sock account’s user name (Lrednuas Senoroc) is also very similar to veteran editor user:Srednuas Lenoroc’s. I think that vandal “intentionally” chooses those nicknames in order to confuse other editors. Please see previous case. 46.221.181.223 (talk) 08:35, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: I'm just re-filing this (I am not 46.221) to fix a previous misfiled report. No comment one way or another, I have not actually read the above beyond half-awake skimming for any obvious problems. Ian.thomson (talk) 02:16, 9 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users

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I've just been pinged about this. One of the above mentioned IP's (87.189.128.42) edited Genocide exactly like described and was reverted by User:Doug Weller for attacking Kurds. Same edits were added back later by these IPs, please check them too:

--92slim (talk) 11:09, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Argentina? It seems that an another case of proxy socking by the same editor or an off-wiki organization? No idea but I have noticed many proxies abusing by the same disruptive editor (Romania, the US, the UK...) I'll add them when have a time. 46.221.213.142 (talk) 11:21, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, either that or Argentinian proxies are popular. I am not sure. --92slim (talk) 12:07, 11 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

UPDATE: Another one. Please add:

Despite he has been continuing his disruptive edits for at least 1-2 years, it is hard to notice all of the disruption, since he is an ip-jumping editor.  Also it is hard to check all the sources in order to see if he falsified the sources. Nevertheless, I have noticed so many falsifications by this vandal and his proxies. For example, see: 1, 2, 3, 4. The sources are about ISIS’s human right abuses but it “changed” by a proxy (most probably belong to the same editor) and when an another editor reverted it, the ipv4 of Lrednuas Senoroc/Heysem/Hassan Rebell restored it. It reminds me this and this. And here, the sources are actually about "total" number of Kurds living in Germany but the user showed it as the number of "Turkish Kurds" to push his agenda I have mentioned above. Moreover, he made an another source falsification here. (The sources are about Iraq and have nothing to do with Syria. Those are the current disruptive edits by ip socks of Lrednuas Senoroc. God knows, how many falsifications, cherry pickings, etc. were done by the same editor!

Plus, most probably, Ultimate Destiny (talk · contribs) is master of all the socks. Many of the editor's additions were copied by the ip socks. Also, it seems that they interested in the similar topics. The IPS that I have mentioned above and previous confirmed Swiss ip socks of Lrednuas Senoroc seem professional as user Hegvald mentioned on his ANI report regarding the same user. Thus, it makes this old user more suspicious. However, i did not add him the list, since the account is very stale. But, i think it may be tagged as "suspected sock". 46.221.213.148 (talk) 11:03, 18 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

It has been almost 1 months now. It would be good, if checkusers or admins block that long-term vandal. 'Cause it seems that he is back with various proxies 1 involved in suspicious taggings regarding "certain" informations. An ipv6 from Germany (like the sockmaster) also made suspicious edits on an another article. 2.Stalking, suspicious edits and geolocation: all resembling me the same sockmaster again. It would be an appropriate action, if admins/checkusers pay attention to those suspicious anon editors too. 46.221.171.152 (talk) 13:10, 5 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

So does this mean that the witch hunt is over or is it just like an experience with the dentist? It must be a disappointment that what someone thought was something was not.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 21:08, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Mentioning dubious edits and users is not a "witch hunt". That is the aim of the SPI cases. And for some reason, you are making "advocacy" of that user. Very weird. I begin to think that you are the same sockmaster, impersonating other editors, again. 46.221.164.49 (talk) 21:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia is the only organization that I know of that you tell them that they are wrong and they get upset that you tell them that you are wrong. I do not know what is this preoccupation with sock puppets but I am further from being involved as a sock puppet than what is possible and if you (...) not to believe that then spin circles in order to prove what it is that you alledge snd is not fact> Now of course I have offeneded those in the know which are those that have been accepted according to WP own standards of acceptablility and that itself is derogatory with all it subsequent actions by those that are in the kniw. etc. This is like the KGB all over again except you are not wearing black shirts. I get this feeling that when you are acussed by WP of being something then you have to proforma confess to it otherwise you are an adversary when in all fact you are just poining out that you are wrong!Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 22:15, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

You are obviously and desperately trying to "undermine" the SPI case with such long and nonsense "comments", most probably because you are the same long-term vandal/sockmaster. Why don't you simply answer the questions below? Are you Srednuas Lenoroc or are you a "new" separate editor whose user name, editing style, edit summaries are very similar to Srednuas Lenoroc's? 46.221.164.49 (talk) 22:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I find it very difficult with certainly to know how it is to navigate through the WP stuff when I get notices or something happeneing etc or someone saying something. But occationally I gat a chance to stop a few minites and read what is there. And to my astonishment I find that after having been connected to a sock puppet and saying that at least with my connection it is a witch hunt that I am now being called a culprit of that sock puppet because I guess I have made some WP person with some sense of organization authority upset that I have questioned their moves.When are you people going to realize that you are flipping off the very people that support WP and by you people jumping to conclusions just make more of a mess of a situation than what is best for WP in tythe long run. Do you train your whole life to present ypourself a s WP idiot? Get some perspective anf go after the real sock puppets and not those that have been snared by their stupid actions such as taking on a name very close to my own. You WP authorities tout yourselves as being so intelligent and then seem to make it clear that you are a combination of the KGB and Key Stone Cops. If you want to go on these tangents of sock puppetry leave out my user name so that I am not brought back into it AGAIN AND AGAIN; or do you perceive this as too much a treat to WP authority and then lash out again in order to curb the enthusiasm? I am accussed of having two accounts. DAH. When the one I sue to use can no longer be logged in I am not waiting around for WP permission to continue participating. Then the "fact" is presented as if I am the head of som conspiratory organization looking at bring down WP! Use what little of your grey matter exists to keep me out of sock puppetry content. This has been going on too long. This is not a good approach to build faith in WP.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 22:46, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

46.221.164.49 it does not take much intellect to evaluate something if that evaluation is by accusation. Merely because you think you think does not make it out to be true., Now of course you are up set and I am disruptively editing because you are upset.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 23:58, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

46.221.164.49 you have probably never read Catch-22; heard about it but ptobably never read the work; or seen the movie. Yes, it is in movie form.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 00:00, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

46.221.164.49 The easiest way to undermine a process or institution is to leave it to its own dead weight.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 00:00, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The 46.221.164.49 will say that my system has been infiltrated and that I do not have access to confirming that message through my email address. 46.221.164.49 you spin circles.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 00:09, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

The issue regarding your account is below, but you are insistently editing this section, a section regarding mostly ip/proxy socks of Lrednuas Senoroc, by acquiting this sockpuppet. That's "weird" again. I wont answer your desperate, idiotic comments anymore. 46.221.164.49 (talk) 00:18, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

I've blocked User:Kinetsubuffalo as an impersonation of User:Kintetsubuffalo. RickinBaltimore (talk) 20:24, 9 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

16 February 2017

– This SPI case is open.

Suspected sockpuppets

The name alone makes it obvious that this is the same person. Sir Sputnik (talk) 15:02, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Comments by other users

Accused parties may also comment/discuss in this section below. See Defending yourself against claims.

@Sir Sputnik:, it was discussed here and as @Blackmane: and @Cordless Larry: mentioned, Lrednuas Senoroc was just impersonating user user:Srednuas Lenoroc. "Impersonating veteran editors" is one of the habitual behavior of this vandal. Please read the SPI case above. His another sock account Kinetsubuffalo was also blocked by the admin for impersonating Kintetsubuffalo. However, i don't think that user:Srednaus Lenoroc is related to this SPI case, IF it is the new account of user:Srednuas Lenoroc. 46.221.167.95 (talk) 20:27, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yep, there is no doubt that Srednuas Lenoroc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) and Srednaus Lenoroc (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · logs · filter log · block user · block log) are the same person but I doubt that they are related to this SPI. Nthep (talk) 17:26, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, no. Another conspiracy? We have two SL's and the latest one is trying to pass himself off. Unfortunately, there is no attempt to pass off anyone as any other person here at WP. There is this thing called a computer, They function very conveniently especially when you set it up so that you do not have to supply the usual log in information. Unfortunately, when the programmed computer no longer functions and you are unable to log back in you have to carry on and work with the system. Voila, I put in the user name I previously used and WP accepted it. Is that a conspiracy? They have medications for that syndrome and I prefer to leave conspiracies to others. Or is my editing someone a threat to the endurance of WP? Growing up, in the neighbourhood there was a fellow that as long as he could direct how everyone played everything in his mind was okay--well, really perfect. Unfortunately, for him he became what we had yet to learn what it was called--annoying. Use your time for your own entertainment but leave me out. I am not here poisoning the towns water well.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 19:50, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Please see my comments above, Srednaus Lenoroc. I suggested that you created a new account, not that you were trying to pass yourself off as someone else. However, you did not "put in the user name I previously used" - there's a slight spelling difference, which is why the new account could be created. As long as you don't use both accounts, I don't see a problem though. Cordless Larry (talk) 19:55, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cordless Larry:, actually I do see a problem, if Sradnuas Lenoroc is not the new account of Srednuas Lenoroc. A new, separate user with very similar user name, the same (minor) editing style, and even the same edit summaries e.g. "sp", "style", etc. Weird. It has nothing to do with being "conspirational".46.221.164.49 (talk) 21:05, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
If "Srednaus" is a new account of "Srednuas" because of a forgotten password or something, that should be flagged on both of their user pages. Wouldn't it save some confusion to rename this SPI (even just to a placeholder), if it was started as a result of impersonation of an unrelated third party? --McGeddon (talk) 20:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

If that will qual your conspiratorial stance then by all means do what it is that you said should be done and just leave me be. Is that possible or do we have a situation that if I do not play according to how your preferred perceived way then I cannot play? I just noticed that someone names Sir Sputnik somehow comes up when I click on the colored buttons. It is rather funny that although he is a declared anti-monarchist he does use a term of ennobleism. I think you must have me confused with others that you have encountered because I do not recognize any other name that has been brought up. There is no conspiracy to be uncovered--well at least not with me. Now if you are insinuating trump into this situation then we very well may have something since he like Nixon is very much a bully and look at what happened to him. Do not go looking for trouble where it does not exits. The East Germans clearly should have learned that while under the Soviet sphere. I have plenty on my hands just understanding weltenshuaang, Toynbee and bots. Anonymity has its benefits. I hope it does not blow out into a full conspiratorial level as in the movie Capsule. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Srednaus Lenoroc (talk • contribs) 20:22, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Srednaus Lenoroc, please do not accuse other editors of being conspiratorial when all they are doing is trying to demonstrate that you are innocent of the sockpuppetry accusations that have been made against you. Cordless Larry (talk) 20:34, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, here is where you wtote tht. Well, there does seem to be a tendency of reacting to things as if someone butcher has just left the cooler door open and the house pets have just discovered. But I guess that can just be another sign that someone has invested so much of their personality into WP.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 21:11, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh...@Srednaus Lenoroc:, "please" answer this simple question: Are you Srednuas Senoroc and this is your new account, or are you a "new" separate editor whose user name, editing style and even edit summaries very similar to user Srednuas Lenoroc? 46.221.164.49 (talk) 21:19, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, I don't think that these two really extraordinary names can be a coincidence in any way, especially looking at the simply switched first letters. If you read Srednuas Lenoroc from the right to the left, you get "Coronel Saunders". The other two most likely only impersonate him and don't sound similiar just because of a coincidence.--Ermanarich (talk) 22:21, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, what a coincidence... Even their edit patterns, styles and edit summaries are identical. I agree with you, it's simply an impersonation case, nothing more. And probably the same sockmaster.46.221.164.49 (talk) 23:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

.--Ermanarich you are correct about not thinking. Yes there is a coincidence that these two extraordinary names exist. I established mine and then the other person decided to vex you by starting chatter on the other. WE ARE NOT THE SAME PERSON DESPITE YOUR PARANOIA. Every time there is the subject of the other user being a sock puppet there comes along some new idito at WP saying that it is not by coincidence blah blah blah. Well, the latter is. STOP. Leave me out of this.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 22:53, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I edit conflicted with Srednaus Lenoroc. I was going to say that the rather uppity syntax between the two is too similar for one to be an impersonator of the other. But the most that EC'd with mine plus the editing style puts to rest my doubts that they are the same person. Srednuas Lenoroc stopped editing last July and it would not be unreasonable to presume that they've lost their password to their original account and created a new one. The editing style is also quite similar between the two. Very large numbers of gnomish spelling and grammatical corrections with no specific area of interest. I'd be inclined to leave this as a case of a new account created because of a forgotten password and ask that the two accounts be linked in some way. The impostor account that was blocked back in 2015 focused more or less exclusively on Kurd related topics. Also, @Srednaus Lenoroc:, for fuck's sake untwist your panties. Given that there was previous a case where someone impersonated you, editors here are trying to determine that this is not happening again. People are trying to help you, not get you blocked. So get your head out of your arse and appreciate the effort that some will go to to ensure those who are not familiar with the detective side of WP are unduly affected. Blackmane (talk) 23:09, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

@Blackmane:, Srednaus Lenoroc does not admit that he is Srednuas Lenoroc. On the contrary, he claims that it is just a "coincidence" and blaming others as being "conspirational". That is the reason why we think that it is an impersonation case. 46.221.164.49 (talk) 23:19, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think that they perhaps misunderstood and are denying that they are Lrednuas Senoroc. Certainly, their combative attitude towards people who try to help them is reminiscent of Srednuas Lenoroc and rather unique. Cordless Larry (talk) 23:22, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@Cordless Larry:, i don't think so. My question was so simple. I asked him/her whether he/she is Srednuas Lenoroc or a separate user. And as I said above, I do not think that user Srednaus Lenoroc is related to this SPI case, IF it is a new account of user Srednuas Lenoroc. However, he STILL doesn't admit that he is Srednuas Lenoroc, despite he knows that it will help him. The reason is simple: Because he is not Srednuas Lenoroc, but a seperate editor impersonating him. 46.221.164.49 (talk) 23:31, 16 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]
@46.221.164.49: Unless we've got a very good impersonator, this looks to be quite a WP:DUCK case. I don't really see that a CU would be necessary here, but would not be opposed to one being run. Blackmane (talk) 00:05, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

46.221.164.49 Einstein. Send me a message to my email then you can find out who is playing stupid.Srednaus Lenoroc (talk) 00:07, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sigh...Will you answer the damn question? If not, then do not waste my and other editors' time anymore. 46.221.164.49 (talk) 00:23, 17 February 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Clerk, CheckUser, and/or patrolling admin comments

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