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PBC Foundation was nominated for deletion. The discussion was closed on 27 July 2015 with a consensus to merge. Its contents were merged into Primary biliary cholangitis. The original page is now a redirect to this page. For the contribution history and old versions of the redirected article, please see its history; for its talk page, see here.

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Name Change in 2017?

Is it now time for WP to recognise the change in name too? I would suggest swapping the lead to "Primary biliary cholangitis, previously known as primary biliary cirrhosis, ..." or just use this word order with "also known as ...". For good qualilty sources, please look at: [1] [2] [3] [4] I would propose the article name is also changed, with the redirect changing to be from "primary biliary cirrhosis" to "primary biliary cholangitis". Thanks.Jrfw51 (talk) 18:35, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

ICD10 as of 2016 still uses[5]

I am supporting of changing at this point in time to "Primary biliary cholangitis" Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 18:39, 21 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

i agree. let's give this a few more days and see if anybody else weighs in. Jytdog (talk) 10:07, 23 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would suggest "Primary Biliary Cholangitis, formerly known as Primary Biliary Cirrhosis." There is a precedent for this. I'm not sure what information you need to support this, but please let me know. Newbie. CtotheJ (talk) 09:53, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Likely we will go with "Primary biliary cholangitis, also known as primary biliary cirrhosis," The older term is still used and will be for some time. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 23:20, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

shall we pull the trigger on this tomorrow? Jytdog (talk) 00:13, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Yah that is about a week. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:27, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Can someone with plenty of experience perform the name change in order to keep the previous edits and discussion. Not sure my WP skills are up to this! Thanks to all who support this now. Jrfw51 (talk) 10:34, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sure will do. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 05:37, 26 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I would argue that "also known as" will create confusion. Whilst the old name will still be in use, phrasing such as "also known as" will encourage use of the out dated term. Cambodia, also known as Kampuchea, would be just as unhelpful. I would advocate for "formerly known as." There is precedent for this. I don't know how to reference but any look at EASL or AASLD recent publications on PBC will show you that this wording is common practice. CtotheJ (talk) 10:54, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

People will still call it "Primary biliary cholangitis" for a long time to come so it is the correct way to say it. Formally known as is simply not correct. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 11:03, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

I think this is not such a big deal. Personally I would have preferred "previously" or "formerly" but you may want to wait until ICD10/1CD11 has caught up with this too. There is a good precedent in Granulomatosis with polyangiitis where Wegener's disease has been replaced: we use "previously known" there, but the old name features prominently. Jrfw51 (talk) 11:28, 27 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

PBC level of technical information

I agree the need for the changing of this article into less technical terms, whist maintaining its technical integrity.

I am unfamiliar with the inner workings of WP but would still like to help.

Newbie

CtotheJ (talk) 10:01, 24 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]

Sounds good. WP:MEDMOS is a good read to start with. Doc James (talk · contribs · email) 01:29, 25 January 2017 (UTC)[reply]