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SSRN free access lock

Per #Which identifiers?, we should add the green free access lock to |ssrn= so we can have appended to the SSRN in citations like

• Twomey, A. (2008). "Responsible Government and the Divisibility of the Crown". Public Law (93): 742–767. SSRN 1301166.

Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:07, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Done.

• Twomey, A. (2008). "Responsible Government and the Divisibility of the Crown". Public Law (93): 742–767. SSRN 1301166.

− Pintoch (talk) 18:49, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

ISMN support

We should add |ismn= to support ISMN

• |ismn=979-0-2600-0043-8 → ISMN 979-0-2600-0043-8

Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:06, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Already supported:

{{cite book |title=Title |ismn=979-0-2600-0043-8}}

Title. ISMN 979-0-2600-0043-8.

I notice that the rendering has stripped the hyphens. I'll fix that.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 15:22, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

We should update the doc then, because ISMN isn't mentioned. Also, is there a way to auto-hyphen the ISBN/ISMN? That would be really, really nice. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 15:49, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Template:Cite_book#Identifiers, and every other cs1|2 template that uses {{csdoc}}, defines ISMN; has done since this edit. If you are thinking of that abomination TemplateData, perhaps it doesn't. If you want to fix that, go ahead; I will not touch it.

—Trappist the monk (talk) 22:02, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I was thinking of Help:Citation_Style_1#Identifiers. Never even was aware that Template:Citation Style documentation/id2 even existed, or that Help:Citation_Style_1 didn't make use of it. Headbomb {talk / contribs / physics / books} 22:40, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Date format flexibility or error message suppression in Cite templates

More flexibility in the date parameter of {{cite}} templates is needed. See David Biespiel as of 18:22, 22 September 2016, which includes a reference to a two-week issue of The New Yorker, entered as:

• {{cite magazine |title=Want to understand the jihadis? Read their poetry. |author=Robyn Creswell |author2=Bernard Haykel |magazine=The New Yorker |date=June 8 & 15, 2015 |url=http://www.newyorker.com/magazine/2015/06/08/battle-lines-jihad-creswell-and-haykel}}

which displays with a spurious date error message:

• Robyn Creswell; Bernard Haykel (June 8 & 15, 2015). "Want to understand the jihadis? Read their poetry". The New Yorker. {{cite magazine}}: Check date values in: |date= (help)

The New Yorker web page says that the article appeared in the "June 8 & 15, 2015 Issue", so the date is correct. There should be a way of suppressing the error message. — Anomalocaris (talk) 23:27, 22 September 2016 (UTC)

The New Yorker just has to be different, don't they? You could put that information in |issue= as a workaround, with |date=2015 as a placeholder for the date. Or you could just call it June 8, 2015, which is what they do in their own URL: the URL for the article contains the string "/2015/06/08/", not "/2015/06/08&15/" – this is a tip-off that they know they are just being precious. – Jonesey95 (talk) 03:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Closed ranges are allowed in |date=, so you could use "June 8–15, 2015":

• Robyn Creswell; Bernard Haykel (June 8–15, 2015). "Want to understand the jihadis? Read their poetry". The New Yorker.

Not quite right, I know, but possibly acceptable. Peter coxhead (talk) 09:51, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Jonesey's suggestion renders like so, for comparison:

Robyn Creswell; Bernard Haykel (2015). "Want to understand the jihadis? Read their poetry". The New Yorker. No. June 8 & 15, 2015.

Not much better. Edition might also work:

Robyn Creswell; Bernard Haykel (2015). "Want to understand the jihadis? Read their poetry". The New Yorker (June 8 & 15, 2015 ed.).

--Izno (talk) 12:44, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Maybe a new parameter could tell the module to output a different character separate a date range, e.g. |date=June 8–15, 2015|range-symbol=& – so an ampersand could be displayed for the above above, or a / could be used when the source uses it (as in "June/July") - Evad37 [talk] 14:41, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

I don't think that is needed. The double issue can be uniquely identified by the date of publication, which is June 8, 2016. This is when it became generally available, and that is sufficient for purposes of discovery. To remove any doubts or to be completist, |issue= can also be used; however that is not imo strictly needed for verification. I usually do this:

Robyn Creswell; Bernard Haykel (June 8, 2016). "Want to understand the jihadis? Read their poetry". The New Yorker. No. [n1–n2] (double issue).

72.43.99.138 (talk) 16:19, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

To add, if the issue numbers are not available, the mysterious everyman-parameter |type= can be used:

Robyn Creswell; Bernard Haykel (June 8–15, 2016). "Want to understand the jihadis? Read their poetry". The New Yorker (double issue).

72.43.99.138 (talk) 16:25, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

To reply to Evad37 above, but "June/July" would not be in keeping with our MOS, and it should be switched to an en dash. That's the sort of minimal change traditionally allowed. We don't have to faithfully copy every exact detail from a source into a citation. Imzadi 1979 → 20:59, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

Various workarounds have been suggested, but none of them recognize the fundamental issue. Sometimes articles are published in parts, with each part in a separate issue. It's possible, but less common, for the parts to not be in consecutive issues. So just it is possible to list pages as 18–9, 25, 36–9, it should be possible to list several publication dates. Jc3s5h (talk) 19:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

In the case of articles that are part of multi-part series published periodically, I would cite each part of the series as a separate article instead of trying to collapse them into a single citation. The overall title of the series can be noted in |department=. Imzadi 1979 → 20:56, 23 September 2016 (UTC)

@Jc3s5h: That would be way too cumbersome, as a single citation would have to denote: several dates, several issue numbers, and several page numbers. This is hampering discovery of the source and verification of the cited claims. One citation per issue, please. If the parameter |series= is available then it could be set as |series=part x [of y] or similar. Then all the related citations can occupy a sublist within the "References" listing. 184.75.21.30 (talk) 23:45, 23 September 2016 (UTC)