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Rename Article

This article should be renamed to Java Standard Edition, in accordance with the change in the naming convention announced at this year's JavaONE convention. [1] aidan_walsh

Do we really need links to such packages as java.math? All that's there is a limited list of classes that is much better described by the platform's javadocs. ElAmericano 02:44, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No we don't. I've merged java.math into this article and created a redirect for java.math to the section. – Doug Bell talk•contrib 19:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

sun.* packages

I'd like to see some information on the sun.* packages. Does anyone have anything to contribute?

complete rewrite necessary

This article is written in a way that makes it useless for almost all Wikipedia users. In fact, this is true of most articles on '"Java"' in the computer sense. Worse still, users are completely confused by the many different related articles on Java that are all written for geeks and can't decide which one they should try to read through in hopes of finding something comprehensible. Some of these articles have comprehensible parts farther down, but none in their introduction.

Java (disambiguation) starts out pretty well in a comprehensible, user-friendly manner by saying Java Virtual Machine, the virtual machine that runs Java byte code. This is also referred to as the portion of Java that runs on your PC or the Java run-time environment (JRE). However, it links to the (for most users) incomprehensible page Java_Virtual_Machine, which is in any case not what was promised ("the portion of Java that runs on your PC"), which should instead link to Java Platform, Standard Edition. That is where we're now, and this article explains nothing that a normal user could find useful. It doesn't even have the link "Test your Java Virtual Machine" which is well hidden in the previous article at the end in the external links section.

This article has no information on what is the current version nor any information on the confusion created by Sun simultaneously offering two different current versions for 1.4 and 1.5. No mention of the confusion caused by 1.5 also being called 5.0 is topped off by the incorrect claim (formerly known up to version 5.0 as Java 2 Platform, Standard Edition or J2SE). In fact, it's still called "J2SE Runtime Environment 5.0 Update 8" in Windows's add/remove applet, which is one reason most users can't find Java on their machine. Version information is very important not only due to the old Sun tradition of not caring that most users are confused by their version naming chaos and version plethora. I have Java Runtime Environment Version 5.0 Update 8 installed on my computer, but http://java.com/en/download/index.jsp only offers update 6, and without comment. That seems to indicate that 8 was buggy and has been withdrawn. Just to be sure that things get confusing, they do still offer 8, and only that on http://java.sun.com/javase/downloads/index.jsp

Worse still, this article does not even mention the insane nonsense caused by new versions of Java not automatically uninstalling old ones. Most users are unaware that all Java vulnerabilities are still on their machines if they have multiple versions installed; i suspect that the authors of this article were also unaware of this insanity that even beats MS insane standard security practice. --Espoo 08:18, 7 September 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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