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Newly discovered, October 2005

{{Argentina-sport-stub}} / Category:Argentina sport stubs (on SFD)

A country-specific sport stub, which is an interesting idea. Created yesterday, has 13 articles. Category lacks parents. --Mairi 06:23, 1 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting does not necessarily equal good... Given that we're busily breaking out separate sports, I'm not overly taken with this one... Grutness...wha? 11:02, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Added to SFD. --TheParanoidOne 23:04, 17 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Currently used on 61 articles Valentinian (talk) 21:24, 18 March 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Finally rescoped on third SFD to {{Argentina-sport-bio-stub}}. Caerwine Caerwhine 13:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Video game company stubs

User:A Link to the Past decided that we needed to also have stub categories video game manufacturers, and to populate them:

Since we're dividing by genre too, these probably ought to be deleted, but I haven't been following the cvg-stub splits closely. Also, so far none have over 60, and only the last is over 50. --Mairi 01:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Delete the genre stubs then. Deleting these makes the problem oh-so-obvious on the CVG stub cat. There is no real problem with these stubs in regard to size, as there has only been a single person (me) working on them, and for only one single day. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:24, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps if you'd discussed these with WP:WSS, some better way of splitting would have been possible. As it is, though, these run against the way these stub categories are organised. As such, if any should be deleted, it is these. And if that make a problem in the main category "oh so obvious", then suggest a better way it can be improved that keeps to the hierarchy. Grutness...wha? 01:34, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
For one, strategy games is applied to many non-strategy game. Are you telling me that it is easier to apply an article with a genre stub than a company stub? - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:15, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
If an article has the wrong template, fix it. If you think the category system is in need of improving, suggest something on WP:WSS/P. The current genre stubs were decided on after a fairly lengthy discussion there, which considered several different schemes. --Mairi 02:29, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Not quite sure what you mean by "is it easier to apply an article" - it is definitely easier for editors to find a particular type of article by genre than by company, though. Editors are more likely to know about different strategy games across company than about the games from one company irrespective of genre, and stuub splitting is done for the benefit of editors. Grutness...wha? 02:39, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
So, what you are telling me is that you can properly attribute a genre stub to Katamari Damacy? - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The infobox there manages to; based on that it'd go in {{action-cvg-stub}} if it were a stub. --Mairi 03:01, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
That's hardly fact. What makes it adventure? But *drumroll* unless the game never had a company listed on who developed it anywhere on Earth, if it's a Namco game, Namco-stub is JUST that simple. There WILL be debate over if a game is adventure, puzzle, strategy, etc. But how do you claim that it is not a Namco game? - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:31, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The issue isn't only ease-of-classification (any classification scheme is bound to have difficult cases), it's also whether that classification scheme is useful to people expanding articles. If you think classifying by developer is useful, go start a discussion on WP:WSS/P about it. I doubt you'll find much support, given that we have an existing classification method, but you can give it a try there. --Mairi 03:58, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This attracts fans of the company. More Namco fans would come about to Namco-stub than action fans to the action-stub. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:06, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
You know, it's odd, but I know lots of video game fans, and they're all fans of particular games and game genres, rather than of particular companies. Grutness...wha? 13:51, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I REALLY doubt people will go after games that are specified by very loose categories. What makes a game strategy? Isn't action just a copout genre when they can't find a better genre? - A Link to the Past (talk) 17:55, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I like playing strategy games. I dont care who their by, and I wouldnt be able to tell you either. If I was looking for stubs on games then Id definately look by type of game rather than company first. BL Lacertae 23:38, 4 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I've gone ahead and added these to the stub list. No one bothered taking them to SFD and they are all above size (barely) and the CVG project seems to want them. Caerwine Caerwhine 13:48, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bunch of redirects

Don't have much of an opinion on them, other than they don't seem to be particularly useful... --Mairi 23:23, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Britcartoonist was the original name of the comics one, ISTR, but has possibly done its time. Of the others, the only one that seems worth keeping is government-stub. Three of the other four are badly named (mind you, so are BiH-stub and Afl-stub), and the fourth is redundant. Grutness...wha? 23:50, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Strangely enough, I think {{author-stub}} might be worth keeping. We have a bunch of near synonyms for {{writer-stub}} that we are already keeping, and might just want to add more, such as {{lyricist-stub}}. I'm being a tad sarcastisic here, but not much since I wouldn't call a lyricist an author or vice versa.
You should vote on sfd then. Mairis taken it there to be voted on BL kiss the lizard 05:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Actually, Mairi only submitted Category:Author stubs to an SfD. The template that used to feed into that, {{author-stub}}, was turned into a redirect to {{writer-stub}}, just like {{poet-stub}} and {{playwright-stub}}. Caerwine 19:17, 21 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
AFLstub, Bih-geo-stub, Britcartoonist-bio-stub deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 22:13, 1 July 2006 (UTC)[reply]

It's stub-berg season again...

I've just gone through Allpages/templates, searching for the word "stub". You may need to sit down. I discovered some 225 templates that were either unknown here or were badly formed and in need of work. Understandably, I haven't had time to check them all, so what I've done is list them on a subpage of my user page (User:Grutness/Stub discoveries to vet). What I'd suggest is that I (and hopefully some others) can take a handful, check them out, and then bring them either here or to SFD, which ever seems most appropriate. That way it saves dumping 100 more kb of length onto this page in one go. Some of them are no doubt ones that are OK and passed either here or at WSS/P without me remembering. others are just too strange for me to think that that can be true. Some are simply old redirects which should be taken to SFD. They range from the boring and plausible ({{China-road-stub}}, for instance) to the eccentric (like {{Search-engine-optimization-stub}} and {{Stub need image}}). Anyway, it looks like we've got a bit more work to do... Sigh. Grutness...wha? 08:09, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, November 2005

{{Agri-stub}} redirects

All created today:

Agriculture-stub is definitely useful; Ag-stub is definitely ambiguous and going to sfd; the others i'm various degress of ambivalent about. --Mairi 05:44, 15 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Farms-stub deleted, the other three logged as no consensus and added to the redirect list. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:01, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Newly discovered, December 2005

{{Canada-artist-stub}} / Category:Canadian artist stubs

Created today, used on 6 articles. As far as I know, we don't have any other nationality artist stubs, but {{Canada-bio-stub}} is at 10 pages, so this might help relieve that. --Mairi 22:55, 1 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • We're now at the end of December, and after a month there are only 10 articles in this category. I can see breaking up the painters geographically (though I don't know how many Canadian painters we'd find), but we've so far broken down artists by medium first, not by geography. I think this could be a candidate for deletion --EncycloPetey 16:40, 30 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
It's now June and it has 50 entries plus there are pver 1400 unsorted Canadian biographies that should have some artists among them. I'm adding this one to the stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 20:41, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Colorado-stub}} / Category:Colorado stubs

Created 2005-06-02; used on about 20 articles. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 13:50, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

More than half are geo-stubs that need to be sorted out. — Fingers-of-Pyrex 13:53, 13 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Disney-comics-stub}} / Category:Disney Comics stubs

Created on the 12th of December, one article. Comics stubs probably need another split, even if "what into" isn't immediately obvious, but I doubt this is it. - SoM 11:56, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Added to stub list after a visit to SFD in April 2006. Caerwine Caerwhine 02:39, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{RnB-album-stub}} / Category:R&B album stubs

Perhaps useful, but the category shouldn't have an abbreviation, and I'm not sure why the template isn't {{R&B-album-stub}}. --Mairi 08:35, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • probably for the same reason as with the "RnB-band-stub" listed a couple of sections further up the page. I must admit I didn't know that ampersands could be used (it would have been useful for things like Trinidad-geo-stub! This one will probably be useful, but a rename would definitely be useful. Grutness...wha? 09:49, 16 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Ended up being renamed as suggested. Caerwine Caerwhine 14:56, 5 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{India-writer-stub}} / Category:Indian writer stubs

Used on 15 articles; might be useful too. --Mairi 05:16, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • And will no doubt suffer from the same problem as other Indian biography categories of claiming for India alone historical people of South Asia despite having no clear indication in the article of the where they lived. 5 of the 15 articles needed to restubbed to {{SAsia-writer-stub}} because of that. South Asian writer stubs is at 135 stubs at present, so it's hardly overful. Besides with several large language communities stradlng the partion line, South Asian writers might be a case where instead of splitting by state, we would want to split by language. (i.e Bangla-writer-stub, Urdu-writer-stub, etc.) Caerwine Caerwhine 14:59, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
    • This is now up to 53 stubs, and a quick exam of some of them indicates that they truly are of Indians and not just South Asians, still not convinced we need a separate stub, as even combined with South Asia writer stubs there are only a few over 200 stubs, but we have a strong bias to nation based splits, so I'll go ahead and add this to the stub list. Caerwine Caerwhine 23:54, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{US-mil-hist-stub}} & Category:United States military history stubs with redirects {{US-military-hist-stub}} & {{US-Mil-hist-stub}}

The irregular redirect {{US-Mil-hist-stub}} definitely needs to go and I'm not fond of the other redirect but could live with it. Used on one stub and five stub categories. Adding the stub categories of the five indivual war stubs that relate to US seem to me to be wrong, but consistent with how the non-stub categories are arranged, so I won't dispute that if this ends up being kept. However, I'm doubtful of the need or desireability of this stub. None of Category:United States military stubs, Category:United States history stubs, or Category:Military history stubs is overfull. Not ill-formed tho, so until the SFD backlog gets resolved, I'll refain from sending this to the breakers, but I will be sending the malformed redirect. 22:19, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

Now that this category and its parents are of considerable size, I'm listing it. Conscious 06:44, 22 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
US-Milhist-stub was sent to SFD and deleted back in December; US-military-hist-stub added to list of redirects today. Caerwine Caerwhine 17:05, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Astrologer-stub}} / Category:Astrologer stubs

Created today, used on 7 articles. Not sure it'd get that much use, although I'm even less sure what'd be a better place to put such articles. --Mairi 06:45, 19 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 12:00, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Tvseries-stub}} / Category:Television series stubs

Formerly a redirect to {{tv-stub}}. That category now has 70 articles. While {{tv-stub}} needs some rethinking, i'm not sure this is how we want to do it. Maybe keep {{tv-stub}} as a parent, and have as children: {{tv-channel-stub}} (or just children-by-nation), {{tv-bio-stub}}, {{tv-char-stub}}, and {{tv-show-stub}} (or {{tv-prog-stub}} for tv channels, shows, programmes, etc? --Mairi 06:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

This situation has grown out of control. {{tv-stub}} is now 10 pages long, {{tvseries-stub}} is already 5 pages long. We need to deal with this one fast. Or rather the entire group of TV stubs, which is fast growing. The official list doesn't even properly reflect the current categorization it seems, and most templates and Categories don't has stub project templates on them. WP:TV has been revived, so i think the time is now to tackle the complex issue of these stubs. - The DJ 20:58, 15 May 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Redirected to {{tv-prog-stub}} in May. Caerwine Caerwhine 17:53, 6 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Whedchar-stub}} / Category:Buffyverse Character stubs

Created today, used on 18 articles. There is a Buffyverse wikiproject, so it might get enough use, but both the template and category could use better names. --Mairi 06:20, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Deleted via WP:SFD. Logged discussion here. --TheParanoidOne 05:30, 3 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

{{Aquitaine-geo-stub}}

Here's another one related to the split of {{France-geo-stub}} (see {{Lorraine-geo-stub}} discussion above). There's only 24 stubs in there right now, but in mid-October I counted 68 stubs that would be appropriate. This was going to be created soon anyway, so it's a keeper in my opinion. Mindmatrix 17:42, 20 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

There's also now:
Mairi 05:45, 21 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
And now {{Alsace-geo-stub}}, with 31 articles. --Mairi 05:56, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

{{Aquitaine-geo-stub}} is at 70, I'm adding it to WP:WSS/ST. Conscious 19:14, 5 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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