Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Fiddlesticks! (interjection)

Fiddlesticks! (interjection)

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WP:DICDEF not a dictionary. The second source even cites the first one. There is an etymology if you look for it but it's neither interesting, nor clear enough to build an article around. Even fleshed out it would be a permastub with bad sources. Savonneux (talk) 08:21, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Comment on etymology: [1] This source which copies this [2] this source. [3] This book seems to lend some credence to that narrative. But a lack of contemporaneous accounts or research that goes beyond one authors opinion is missing.--Savonneux (talk) 08:34, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

@Savonneux: I appreciate and share your concerns for the integrity of Wikipedia, but the reason I believed that "Fiddlesticks!" warrants inclusion as a Wikipedia entry is the fact of that interjection's roots in, and connection with American Louisiana Cajun culture among enslaved peoples in the early history of the United States, which I do think is interesting; and it is my intention that myself and other editors will expand that aspect of this subject further as the article is further developed and improved upon from stub status.

That story goes considerably beyond the mere etymology of a word as it would be set out in Wiktionary, and is significant in its acknowledgement of African-American cultural traditions and contributions (often overlooked or given only short shrift) to the broader American folklore and culture of the United States.

When white plantation owners, as they often did, suppressed the use of African musical instruments by slaves, they deprived those people of their traditional means of cultural rhythmic expression. Their continuing need to enjoy musical traditions and express rhythm found new outlets in a number of different forms, one of which was straw beating on violins, or using "fiddlesticks", and the resultant concomitant expletive expression often muttered under ones breath back at their "Masters" and owners, that is the intended subject of this Wikipedia article. --- Professor JR (talk) 10:19, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Delete Wikipedia is not a dictionary. This is more appropriate for Wiktionary. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 10:55, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Retain Given the significance of the use of "Fiddlesticks!" in American folklore, Cajun culture, and African-American History, this topic warrants more extensive treatment than just a mere short-shrifted, token etymology in Wiktionary. (By the way, the word "etymology", perhaps ironically, has an entire long article on its own etymology in Wikipedia (Here), which has not been proposed by User:Savonneux or anyone else, as far as I know, for deletion, nor to be relegated only to Wiktionary.) --- Professor JR (talk) 11:40, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I don't think the bot picks up Retain as a valid !vote, however I might be mistaken. I suggest you change the retain to Keep. --Rsrikanth05 (talk) 12:01, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for trying to help, Rsrikanth05, but yes, you're mistaken. There is no bot. AfD's are closed by humans, and they can read humanspeak just fine, so "Retain" is not a problem. Bishonen | talk 19:45, 30 August 2015 (UTC).[reply]

Etymology is an academic discipline. Regardless this discussion isn't about other articles. It's about this article.WP:OTHERSTUFF

Note This article now has numerous facts that are not supported by the references given. It essentially is now chock full of original research and shows a huge US bias even though what little information I have dug up points to the fact it's been in use since the 15th century.--Savonneux (talk) 20:08, 30 August 2015 (UTC)[reply]