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No reason fordoubt the soviets were honestly begging.

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Stalin was dead serious. A western person can not understand the sheer amount of destruction the USSR had seen in WWII, the country barely stood and the russian nation was exhausted and never fully recovered since. A proven neutral Germany could prevent a reoccurance of attack forever. The last thing they wanted was an arms race and contentious division in the middle of Europe.

Also, Stalin was never a "world-revolutionary", unlike the "true communists" (especially Trotski, whom he had assasinated). Stalin was kind of an isolationist, who wanted the USSR and a single ring of "border sealing" satellite states so that his communist totalitarian regime could continue unhindered behind the buffer and cared little about exporting the red banner to non-adjacent places.

If you consider, the west's fears of Red Army invading France, Britain or similar developed country are absurd, how could they control and hold those countries where people's heads have long been filled with stupid ideas of democracy and free enterprise? Stalin only wanted the eastern european countries, which barely left fief-and-lords societies and so their population was quite receptive to communist ideology. The GDR was almost entirely demolished (most allied carpet bombing hit the east part of Germany and really bad ground combat happened there) and its limited industrial and mindskill potential (only 1/4 area and people of West germany) was not worth the trouble for Stalin. By 1953 there were monthly anticom riots in East Germany.

I see no problem with Stalin wanting a unified, neutral, social-democrat limited market economy Germany much like a beer-drinking Finland. People like Churchill are responsible for spreading the false image of Alexander Stalin the world conquerer. He had enough subjects to torture and terrorize domestically. 195.70.32.136 16:40, 14 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You are right:

1. East German economic Reconstruction was too much expensive. It was profitable taking German high tech and factories to the USSR. It was profitable taking scientists and ideas...but not rebuilding East Germany, as the USSR was forced to do finally to face NATO.

2. Merging East Germany with a much larger West Germany to create a neutral state similar to Finland, with a market economy but essential trade relationship with the USSR, it would be worth it. It wouldn´t pose a problem but a benefit, both economic and political. No NATO forces in the larger Western part of Germany and Trade (as Finland with the USSR or Hong Kong with China)

So, yes, probably Stalin was telling the truth and he did prefer a unifed neutral Germany with an economy strong enough to pay billions in War compensations to the USSR instead of becoming a liability as the DDR became.--81.36.211.93 (talk) 06:35, 3 November 2009 (UTC) OK, seriously,[reply]

<quote>Chancellor Konrad Adenauer and the Western Powers saw Stalin’s move as an aggressive action that attempted to stall the integration of the German Republic into the West. This is the prevailing opinion in current historical scholarship. However, a minority suggests that perhaps Stalin was making a sincere offer.</quote> That is remarkably poor analysis. Stalin's sincerity and the aggressiveness of that are not mutually exclusive.

Material Added from German Version

Per a translation request this article has had quite a bit added to it. However, because the original German article did not have citations, this article is lacking citations as well. --it definitely needs some citations-- --Eronoel 04:49, 27 October 2007 (UTC)[reply]