Talk:Frame (artificial intelligence)

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Different frames

The description of frame on Frame appears to refer to a different kind of frame: that kind of frames are typically used in expert systems but the description in this article doesn't seem to describe the same frames. Are they the same? Otherwise a new article should be written about the frames mentioned on Frame. - Simeon (talk) 22:16, 29 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As far as I can tell it's the same construct. Frames weren't nearly as important to commercial expert systems as rules. Also, Frames -- at least originally -- didn't come from expert system research as much as from more generic AI, the early work on Frames was primarily in natural language and common sense reasoning, things like ordering at a restaurant (an early classic frame example) hardly qualify as "expert" tasks. The article on Frame language is a lot more comprehensive. I think perhaps this article should be merged with Frame languages. MadScientistX11 (talk) 20:15, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Merge with Frame Language?

I propose merging this article with Frame language. It's like having an article for Object class and object-oriented analysis and design, they are really the same topic IMO. MadScientistX11 (talk) 20:16, 9 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Note: I formalized this using the appropriate tags (I hope I did it right, first time I've done this). I think the convention is you discuss it on the talk page of the article that is to be merged into (the one we keep) which in my proposal is the Frame language article. Here is a link to the discussion section topic on that page: Talk:Frame_language#Proposal:_Merge_Frame_Article_with_Frame_language MadScientistX11 (talk) 03:50, 10 December 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, but I don't agree. Yes if the article would stay as it is. But I think the article actually describes and is concerned with one implementation of the Frames framework. Although it is understandable as it is the one from the creator and salient scientist, Frames in AI can be considered a cognitive framework, which does not imply talking about any particular language. 189.217.23.52 (talk) 03:36, 30 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

I've undone the merger. The concept of frames is quite distinct from particular frame languages, and, if anything, the page on frames is more fundamental. A merge in the other direction would not be implausible, but the concept of frames is the central idea. It is both older than particular frame languages, and is philosophically distinct, as frames serve to address particular questions in AI and philosophy of mind (e.g. the frame problem) which are not tied in any particular sense to practical issues of knowledge representation and frame languages. Furthermore, the idea of frames shows up within linguistic semantics as well as in AI, in a way that has no connection to frame languages, and so it seems reasonable to have a page for the AI-analog of linguistic frames. Plausibly, one might want to merge the AI frame article and linguistic frame article. Either way, merging this page into the frame language article resulted in a loss of useful information on this page, and that alone is enough to warrant retaining it as a separate page, at least for the time being. Augur (talk) 23:04, 20 July 2014 (UTC)[reply]