Talk:Raspberry Pi/Archive 5

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Raspbian refs

Re edit 564589088:

-- C. A. Russell (talk) 01:00, 17 July 2013 (UTC)

Software

Please correct the wrong link at "RiscOS", thanks. 194.3.247.8 (talk) 18:56, 18 July 2013 (UTC)

USB problems

Nothing I can find on wikipedia mentions the known problems with the USB hardware on the Raspberry Pi SoC chip. Please include details of this problem so that others like myself do not feel burned by purchasing something that does not live up to expectations. Details are available at: http://hardware.slashdot.org/story/12/08/24/2228251/serious-problems-with-usb-and-ethernet-on-the-raspberry-pi http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=28&t=39175 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.95.141.46 (talk) 10:15, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Is this an old issue which has since been corrected, or is it current? The material can be added to the article if it is cited in reliable sources and is encyclopedic. -- Trevj (talk) 13:45, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

I believe this is the the same issue that resulted in the article being protected here. So far I don't think any reliable sources have been produced - it has so far been mostly POV pushing. Яehevkor ✉ 14:21, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

There are some sources that cover this:

http://elinux.org/RPi_VerifiedPeripherals

http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/1929

--Guy Macon (talk) 15:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Are you suggesting that a link to the organization's own forum where people actively working on the problems are discussing it is not reliable??? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.95.141.46 (talk) 23:28, 26 July 2013 (UTC)

Largely, no. See WP:SPS. Sources should be both reliably published and ideally independent of the subject. Яehevkor ✉ 19:22, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Let me check... Yup, I still have the ability to go on the official Raspberry Pi forum and claim that the Raspberry Pi is made out of actual raspberry pies, and then to make the same claim on Wikipedia using the official Raspberry Pi forum as a source. Do you see the problem? --Guy Macon (talk) 20:24, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

mmmm raspberry pi pie -- Taroaldo ✉ 20:40, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Just licked mine and I can confirm, they're made of raspberry pies. Яehevkor ✉ 20:59, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

If you bothered to read the thread I linked, you might notice it is 6 pages of posts from a large number of people in a locked thread. Several of the people work for the organization and this can be verified.

So, the article will be edited to include at the very least the info from Guy Macon's links above? Or are you too busy treating me like a child to bot her? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.95.141.46 (talk • contribs) 22:00, 27 July 2013 (UTC)

Insulting the other editors here is unlikely to help. Everybody here wants this article to be accurate, but we have standards for what is and is not acceptable as a source, and neither Slashdot nor the Raspberry Pi forums qualify. Give us some sources that meet the criteria listed in WP:RS and WP:V and we will be glad to add a section to the article. --Guy Macon (talk) 07:59, 28 July 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 30 July 2013

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Hi everyone. I am new to wikipedia edit protection system, which I find very appropriate btw. I would simply like to add my RaspberryPI distro project on the page. It is called pipaOS and you can visit it here: http://pipaos.mitako.eu. I think the "Multi-purpose light distributions" section would be appropiate. Thanks in advance. Albert Skarbat (talk) 10:25, 30 July 2013 (UTC)

Not done: Generally we only add something to a lists if it is notable and there is already a Wikipedia article about it. RudolfRed (talk) 04:52, 3 August 2013 (UTC)

Edit request on 7 August 2013

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The opening paragraph says that: The Foundation's goal is to offer two versions, priced at US$25 and US$35.

This is obsolete, both models are offered. I would suggest the page is edited to: "The Foundation offers two versions, priced at US$25 and US$35" Arthurs (talk) 19:58, 7 August 2013 (UTC)

Done. I didn't use your exact wording but I think it now clearly shows both prices are offered. Sarahj2107 (talk) 15:07, 9 August 2013 (UTC)

BLOB problem / device can't boot without

It should be more clear and easier to understand that the device is useless without the BLOB by broadcom, because it can't boot without. At the moment this is not clear for an audience without much knowledge about the problem, like students and kids who make their first "steps" with the RaspPi in school.

I don't know how to do it, because "Driver API" might not be the right place. So a separate section which explains the problem would be better (IMHO).

80.187.109.172 (talk) 00:52, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

Do you have any reliable sources for this? Please be aware that Wikipedia articles are encyclopaedia articles and not technical manuals, material must be supported by reliable sources (published news articles for example, not forums). Яehevkor ✉ 13:16, 25 August 2013 (UTC)

This is like saying that a desktop computer is "useless without the video BIOS provided by nVidea". Because that is what the "blob" is, it is the equivalent of the video BIOS. and other computers also cannot boot without the video BIOS contained in ROM on the video card. This isn't an issue as the blob is freely distributed with the PI, just as the video BIOS is freely distributed with the video card. Just as normal users do not care about the BIOS in their video cards, why should PI users care about this non-problem. You can remark about this technical difference, but not in the context of a "problem". Mahjongg (talk) 12:52, 26 August 2013 (UTC)

Raspberry Pi audio problems

There seems to be numerous and consistent reports that the audio of the first batch of Raspberry Pi boards produce numerous clicks and popping. There are a number of work-a-rounds on the web, a patch that results in some buzzing instead of "clicks", and even a kickstarter project that is a dongle that plugs into the board for an attempt at better audio. I wanted to get other's views and inputs on this before I add a new section to the article. In fact, I originally came to this article looking for information concerning this apparent problem with the boards. Here is a video of apparently loud clicking coming through, Perhaps the section could go into how audio is generated on the Rapsberry Pi (i.e. via the PWMs) Nodekeeper (talk) 09:43, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

The clicking problem was caused by turning the PWM engines on only when analog audio was needed. It was solved with a software update months ago. HDMI audio wasn't affected. Mahjongg (talk) 12:52, 27 August 2013 (UTC)

FSF free hardware criteria and Videocore

Hi, https://github.com/hermanhermitage/videocoreiv According to other sources the Pi doesn't fulfill the FSF free hardware critera. Maybe that should be included in the article (or at least be included when it will be). I'm not sure the above link shows any indication that they are making any progress on that (maybe not intented to?). But there seems to be some progress in "freeing" (parts of?) the GPU binary blob (bootloader/firmware?). I haven't waded throught this all open source project but there might be something to report from there. comp.arch (talk) 10:35, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

As far as I can tell, the RPF has never even hinted that they would ever be open hardware. Some of their competitors (Odroid, Wandboard) are open hardware, but they have more features and a higher price. --Guy Macon (talk) 13:34, 29 August 2013 (UTC)

No new version (Model C or otherwise) of the RaspberryPi until Sept 2015 at earliest

Should a note be placed in the article to state that there will be no new version of the RaspberryPi until September 2015 at the earliest? See http://www.raspberrypi.org/phpBB3/viewtopic.php?f=63&t=56598 "Eben Upton, Founder, has stated in public that he would expect a NEW board between two and three years from now (Sept 2013)." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 166.64.3.2 (talk) 04:26, 1 October 2013 (UTC)

Android

It should be noted that android has no working (or rather working well) builds. I don't believe Broadcom ever released the 4.0 image for it either. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.186.1.167 (talk) 01:17, 18 November 2013 (UTC)

Open Hardware?

Is it completly open hardware or not? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 87.78.74.104 (talk) 03:34, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

No! there are still remnants of the hardware that are and will stay undocumented, (because the RPF doesn't actually own, nor has the right to release, those IP). It has also never been the intention of the RPF that the PI would become "open hardware". But TBH I would never had thought they would have released the documentation of the VideoCore, so who knows. Mahjongg (talk) 14:48, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Link to yesterday's blog entry ("Earlier today, Broadcom announced the release of full documentation for the VideoCore IV graphics core, and a complete source release of the graphics stack under a 3-clause BSD license."):[1]

If you want an open source hardware board roughly comparable to the Paspberry Pi, you might want to look into the Odroid U3 or X2.[2][3] Of course it is worse than the RP in some ways and better in other ways, so it may not meet your needs.

Related question; does this page make the licensing for the Raspberry Pi hardware, software, and documentation clear? --Guy Macon (talk) 17:13, 2 March 2014 (UTC)

Dead Link

Citation 36 is a dead link (I have no idea where to put this.) — Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.1.178.45 (talk) 20:50, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

solved. Mahjongg (talk) 12:11, 22 May 2014 (UTC)