User talk:Exploding Boy/archive 5

In recognition of your efforts in editing and removing unverified speculation from the Harry Potter pages, I hereby award you the **Editor's Barnstar** --Death

I award you this Editor's Barnstar for your work in dealing with the recent anti-gay trolls on homosexuality and related articles. Guan aco 03:49, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I award you this barnstar for your persuasive arguments presented in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Opposition to homosexuality and for consistantly standing up to those who try to re-write Wikipedia to reflect their world view. ReformedCharacter 15:40, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Tea names

Sorry for late, I answered you on my talk. --Aphaia 10:48, 8 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Request

Hey, I started this article a while ago, and it still needs a lot of work. I thought you might like to help. Pro-gay slogans and symbols. On a non-related note, as others said, I do think your username was quite amusing considering our last interaction a few minutes ago. The Ungovernable Force 05:21, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oddness

We keep ending up at the same articles at the same time; I wonder how that happens :-) --Julien Deveraux 05:22, 9 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

Hey, I know we have our differences when it comes to the whole sig thing, but I just wanted to say thanks that the whole picture fiasco at Ejaculation went civil and discussion went productively. Thanks again, and hopefully (since I won't be commmenting on the signature thing execpt for a final statemnet tomorrow) we can not hold our previous experience against each other once the dust settles. Later, Template:Refactored

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User talk:Exploding Boy/Sig

re: signature

Hi Exploding Boy, thanks for the note. Last I checked, lots of editors used images (some even several) in their signatures, and I did not know that it was against policy. I have removed it per your request (as you can see), and after reading the reasons for removal of unnecessary images. roma rin [talk ] 20:31, 11 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks!! Exploding Boy 01:48, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Watching Tattoo?

Not sure if you've kept an eye on it recently. A little flare out with a new editor trying to insert some anti-tattoo spin into the "health risks" section; not anything wildly false, but just at the level of "undue weight" and negative connotation. The editor, User:Doug rosenberg, has pissed me off a little bit, but it probably means I react too impatiently. So maybe I could borrow your wisdom, since you've made good edits there in the past. LotLE×talk 22:12, 12 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how to do this properly, but you're an admin, so...

User:86.132.121.49 has vandalized Tamil gangs twice. If he should be blocked, could you please do so? Random the Scrambled 00:42, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks. Random the Scrambled 14:07, 13 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Sexuality-related topics

You mentioned to Ros Power that she needs to look at Wikipedia's sexuality-related topics. I agree, she does! So, however, do I. Can you point me in the right direction, please? Thanks! ReformedCharacter 16:23, 14 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A good place to start would be Wikipedia:Naming conventions (identity). Exploding Boy 02:29, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Talk page

Hey, I think the issue needs to die...so please let it. I shouldn't have made the comment in the first place and there's no point in continuing a discussion that is going to get people heated. Thank you for understanding, Ch u ck^(contrib) 05:35, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, the issue needs to be dealt with. The current situation is untenable. Nathan and I need to discuss this; please, stop getting involved. You're not helping. Exploding Boy 05:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're wrong, I'm trying to help. By removing the thread, the situation and conflict was over. No need to continue it. I can get involved if I feel like it, I'm the one who started the comments (even though I shouldn't have). Please leave it alone. Ch u ck^(contrib) 05:38, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, clearly the situation is not over. If a good faith reversion of vandalism causes that type of reaction, the situation is clearly not over. Please for the last time, stop getting involved. You are not helping the situation. Exploding Boy 05:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

(after edit conflict) It wasn't the reversion...it was the groveling for gratitude. Don't look for "thanks" for reverting a user talk page. Please stop telling me to stop getting involved. You say that too often, IMO. You and I both know that if you leave Nathan's talk page alone, the situation is over. So that sounds simple enough. You can't force someone to discuss an issue, unless you've become part of ArbCom recently and I didn't find out about it. Ch u ck^(contrib) 05:43, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Grovelling for gratitude? Are you actually insane? What actually happened was, I commented that one might expect a thanks for reverting malicious vandalism from another users' user page rather than an unwarranted sarcastic attack. See? Once again, you misunderstood, got involved, overreacted, and exacerbated the situation, quite probably making it far worse than it ever was. You are not helping. Nothing you've done each time you've inserted yourself into the situation has helped. Each time your incorrect take on the situation has only served to make things more difficult. So yeah, once again: stop getting involved.

As for my RFM, a request for mediation is just that: a request for mediation. No more, no less. As I've stated repeatedly, my only concern is to prevent this type of thing from happening again. Simply ignoring Nathan is not the answer here. I will not sit by and allow vandals to run wild on Wikipedia, and I won't go out of my way to avoid ever interacting with Nathan. Neither is a tenable position, or a constructive solution to this really very minor issue. On the other hand, an outright refusal to even consider mediation when offered as a good-faith solution is certainly indicative of a user's lack of willingness to solve a problem. And that is certainly not what cooperative editing is all about. Exploding Boy 06:33, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Enough, please.

Every time I say/do something you don't like, you push me and push me, constantly test the limits of my patience and I've about had enough.

There was a very good reason why I said (on my talk): "I ask for those involved to please leave me alone". During the whole signature issue, you attacked me, had a dig at me several times, you were constantly incivil and even when you were told what exactly you did that was wrong and how it could've come across as incivil and disrespectful, you showed absolutely no remorse or guilt whatsoever.

It really looks to me that you constantly 'spoil for a fight'. You don't care whose toes you step on as long as you get what you want. There are other admins on Wikipedia who fit into this category.

I feel, by you continuing to bother me on my talk page, that you have absolutely no respect for me or my preferences.

Now, I am sick and tired of conflict on my talk page - if it's not one thing, it's another, if it's not one person trying to stir up crap, it's someone else. Kindly leave me alone.

Kindly leave Chuck alone as well, he's quite often very helpful to me as a third-party observer. He doesn't come and stir up trouble, he says his piece and that's that. It looks to me that every time he opens his mouth (so to speak), he immediately gets a "Leave me alone, stop commenting, this has nothing to do with you, you don't know what you're talking about, etc". That's rude. It really is. If he wants to speak for me, he has my full permission. Yours is not required.

Whether it's watching my pages, or even good-faith reverting of vandalism, I would appreciate being left alone, period.

You can't force me to discuss something I don't wish to discuss. You can't even block me for defiance. If you think you can though, I'd welcome you to try - and I'll get the block removed very quickly.

Now, this is over because I say it is. If you don't like that, there's absolutely nothing you can do about it. Thank you and goodbye. — Nathan ^(talk) 05:42, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Nathan, this is ridiculous. I have stated time and time again that I have no problem with you. I have asked you repeatedly to observe Wikiquette by assuming good faith. Yet you continue to react negatively to even good-faith remarks, and actions such as the reversion of vandalism from your user page! This situation cannot go on. We seem to find ourselves on the same pages fairly often. Either you must stop taking my every action as an attack, or we need to try mediation. And once again, you cannot prohibit anyone from using your user talk page (which, it should be noted, I haven't done for some time). Your behaviour is becoming increasingly uncivil, and certainly does nothing to contribute to a cooperative editing environment. Exploding Boy 05:47, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

This user subpage is currently inactive and is retained for historical reference.
If you want to revive discussion regarding the subject, you might try contacting the user in question or seeking broader input via a forum such as the village pump.

Wikipedia:Requests for mediation/OpenNote is deprecated. Please see User:MediationBot/Opened message instead.

The Mediation Committee has received a request for formal mediation of the dispute relating to Example. As an editor concerned in this dispute, you are invited to participate in the mediation. The process of mediation is voluntary and focuses exclusively on the content issues over which there is disagreement. Please review the request page and the guide to formal mediation, and then indicate in the "party agreement" section whether you agree to participate. Discussion relating to the mediation request is welcome at the case talk page. Thank you, [signature]

For the record, I left a polite note on Nathan's talk page about a Request for Mediation. As of this time, he appears to have deleted the request without even bothering to respond, an outright rejection of Wikipedia:Assume good faith and Wikipedia:Civility. At the same time, he continues to post thinly veiled comments about me on his talk page header and elsewhere (again, violating both policies). This needs to stop. I've offered a solution. Exploding Boy 06:16, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Oh, Exploding Boy, don't you see? There was a perfectly simple solution without all of this complication - you could have just left him alone. Sergeant Snopake 11:32, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, that's not a workable solution, as I explained above. Exploding Boy 14:25, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Why not? This 'thinly veiled' nonsense - if you've read it so much you can start making assumptions about it, can't you just start respecting it and leaving him alone? Why is this all about you: 'I have no problem wih you'? There would be no problem if you would just leave him alone. Oh, and my names not 'Sergeant', it's 'Sergeant Snopake'. Sergeant Snopake 14:36, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You're not involved in this, and I have no need to discuss it with you. As for your signature, kindly do not use extravagant signatures on this talk page. I find them very distracting. Exploding Boy 14:41, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think that just leaving each other alone would be a good idea. Prodego 14:45, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

My dear Prodego, I have tried leaving him alone. I didn't post on his talk page for some time. This whole bullshit incident happened because Nathan persists in interpreting anything I say or do as an attack against him. In this case, the supposed "attack" was using my rollback button to remove some malicious vandalism from his talk page. As I tried to explain to Nathan at the time (after he started getting all huffy about it), this is standard procedure. At the same time I reverted the vandalism on Nathan's page, I removed vandalism by the same person from another user's page as well, and then warned the user responsible. I am an admin; this is standard operating procedure.

I didn't even post on Nathan's page after I reverted the vandalism, until Nathan started taking my edit as some kind of attack, at which point I tried once again to calmly explain to him that I have no problems with him, and to request, once again, that he assume good faith. "Leaving him alone," as his gang of protectors keeps bleating, is not a viable option in a cooperative editing environment, particularly one where the two of us edit the same articles and discussion pages. The only option is to assume good faith; thus far, Nathan has demonstrated himself as completely unwilling to do so. Exploding Boy 14:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

No, you took his comments to someone else as an attack. And it's all very well to tell me that I'm not involved, when you've just run off for mediation from a bunch of other users who aren't involved either. Really, what do you expect to gain from this? ~~You and Nathan to run hand in hand in fields of green, the best of friends?~~ Sergeant Snopake 15:58, 15th of June 2006 (UTC)

First of all, an attack's an attack. Whether a user posts an attack on my talk page, or continually makes disparaging remarks about me elsewhere the result is the same. Second, the reason for requesting mediation was so that an impartial mediator would be invovled, rather than users such as chknwnm, whose involvement has in nearly all cases served only to fan the flames (for example, it was his original post to Nathan's user talk page that started yesterday's fiasco). I'd hardly call you a disinterested party either. Exploding Boy 15:07, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I doubt there would have been a fiasco if you hadn't commented. Maybe I'm not a disinterested party, but I can see there would be no dispute if you would just leave him alone. Sergeant Snopake 16:14, 15th of June 2006 (UTC)

A more accurate characterisation of what's happening is that Nathan continues to assume bad faith, even when I have left him alone. Anyway, this conversation is going nowhere. Exploding Boy 15:20, 15 June 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I agree, I'm going to stop commenting because I don't think you're going to listen, and I can't see why you won't just leave Nathan alone. Sergeant Snopake 16:30, 15th of June 2006 (UTC) - ahem.