Wikipedia:WikiProject Stub sorting/Proposals/Archive/2012/August

Proposals, August 2012

Telephony stubs

I propose creation of {{telephony-stub}} and Category:Telephony stubs, the latter being a subcat of Category:Telecommunications stubs and Category:Telephony. The telecomm stubs category is much too large and needs to be split up. According to CatScan, there are about 200 telecomm stubs that could be put into the new stub category instead.[1] Category:Telephone number stubs should be made a subcategory of the new stub category; its template would be unchanged.--Srleffler (talk) 05:23, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm not sure the distinction between telephony and telecommunications is clear enough to make this more than an arbitrary distinction to split a large category in half - looking at the telephony category tree, it seems very broad (and closer to 300 stubs when you add more depth to the search). But if we can't find a better option, maybe it'll have to do. --Qetuth (talk) 12:57, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

Telecommunications is a much broader category than telephony. Telecommunications includes broadcasting, particularly radio and television. It also includes data transmission, including the Internet and wireless networking. None of these things is "telephony". Splitting off telephony will take a big chunk out of the overpopulated telecomm stub category, but it is also a sensible way to divide the topic.--Srleffler (talk) 03:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Based upon the permcats, it looks good to me. Severo^TC 10:30, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Most of these things are already split off: we have Category:Broadcasting stubs, Category:Television stubs, Category:Radio stubs, Category:Internet stubs, Category:Wireless stubs as subcats already. But point taken... --Qetuth (talk) 11:39, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Yes, although note that the TV and radio stub categories you listed are not going to be the most appropriate sub-stubs for most things that might otherwise be in Category:Telecommunications stubs. The correct stubs would more often be {{tv-tech-stub}} and {{radio-comm-stub}}. Given that those stubs already exist, a stub for telephony seemed like the next most reasonable choice for subdividing the content. I don't see any other good options for new sub-stubs.--Srleffler (talk) 20:05, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

This proposal has been sitting for a while. I still think this makes sense, and I think I have adequately answered the concerns raised above. Could someone close this? Is it possible to have a bot change the stub tags: any page with {{Telecomm-stub}} that is in Category:Telephony should be changed to {{telephony-stub}}. That seems like a better task for a bot than a human editor. This change provides a sensible division of content, and breaks up the overly-large telecomm-stub category.--Srleffler (talk) 02:31, 8 July 2013 (UTC)

{{longdistance-athletics-bio-stub}} / Category:Long-distance runner stubs

We already have Category:American long-distance runner stubs without a higher level generic category, or even template! Propose the template and category for gathering athletes from other countries. Given that we already have an American category, the generic category is needed for proper structure. I would think we should be able to fill it from the perm Category:Long-distance runners. Dawynn (talk) 01:19, 14 August 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 05:17, 15 August 2012 (UTC)

The history behind the American category is that it was passed 800 and the only split that seemed reasonable was by event, so we created templates for each event and split out those events that passed 60. Though I wouldn't !Vote against this, some reasons why I would be against this split, It would almost certainly lead to oversized category, It would lead to some athletes being categorized in here but not under there country and others vice-versa leading to confusion. Waacstats (talk) 17:31, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

Further split of language stubs

Some of the subcats of Category:Language stubs have grown a little large. Propose the following sub-families:

• {{Bantu-lang-stub}} / Category:Bantu language stubs to take about 500/1200 out of Category:Niger–Congo language stubs
  • Move Category:Swahili stubs to be a child of this. (Swahili is part of the Bantu family)
• {{Madang-lang-stub}} / Category:Madang language stubs to take about 100/700 from Category:Papuan language stubs
• Split of Category:Indigenous languages of the Americas stubs for biggest 4 families I could find, templates plus cats if 60 stubs found, upmerge otherwise:
  • {{Arawakan-lang-stub}} / Category:Arawakan language stubs (main:Category:Arawakan languages)
  • {{Tupian-lang-stub}} / Category:Tupian language stubs (main:Category:Tupian languages)
  • {{Macro-Jê-lang-stub}} / Category:Macro-Jê language stubs (main:Category:Macro-Jê languages)
  • {{Oto-Manguean-lang-stub}} / Category:Oto-Manguean language stubs (main:Category:Oto-Manguean languages)

Note that most of the top level families have initialised stub prefixes (eg {{nc-lang-stub}} for Niger-Congo stubs), but the existing subdivisions all then go to full names (eg {{WestChadic-lang-stub}}). As the four american families listed are all top level families, perhaps initials would be better for those? (mj- annd om- are obvious, not sure about the others) --Qetuth (talk) 07:54, 13 August 2012 (UTC)

Additional proposal to add to above: {{sign-lang-stub}} for the assorted sign language and manual alphabet stubs, double upmerged to Category:Deafness stubs. Category:Sign language stubs if 60 found. --Qetuth (talk) 08:08, 14 August 2012 (UTC)