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February and March 2005

User:AladdinSE and content dispute over Arab-Israeli Conflict

I realize this is probably one of the most controversial topics on Wikipedia. Unfortunately a new dispute has arisen, and I think a resolution process aught to be initiated. Please examine the article and related Talk page. We have attempted to reach consensus but, while some compromise was reached, there remains an outstanding disagreement. My inclusion of a caricature keeps getting deleted. I beleive the Talk pages fully explains the dispute, so there is no need to reproduce it here. Thank you very much for your assistance.--A. S. A. 17:52, Jan 26, 2005 (UTC)

Copied from requesting user's talk page, 1 February, following contact earlier that day by User:Alex756: Thank you very much for your initiative. I put in a Request for Comment, and the resulting rejuvenated Talk discussions resulted finally in a consensus, and the caricature that was repeatedly deleted has been finally agreed upon and will stay. If it anyone reneges and deletes it again, I will follow your helpful directions and contact an advocate.--A. S. A. 07:15, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC). Therefore, this one was actually dealt and dispensed with in an expeditious manner, and no further action was needed. Wally 03:53, 27 Mar 2005 (UTC)

Stude62 vs. User:Rananim et al re Ohio Wesleyan University

I have been trying to get this entry cleaned up for the past week or so, and there is a particular user that I believe is performing a variety of reverts from several dirfferent IP addresses and/or there are "protectors" who seem to be holding up this article and reverting edits, although I find it hard to believe that there three adults who are in concert with this article. The article, as posted on Wiki lacks NPOV. The article as posted on Wiki lack continuity. The article as posted on Wiki is meant to impress rather be factual. For example, I have been trying to fix a simple series so that it builds in importance and is consistent structure; however one of the protectors reverts it so that the most famous (and least like the others) appears first. In another instance, a picture of a grown man appears riding a small childs bike keeps appearing in the listing because it "livens it up", but it has no components that make it identifiable with OWU. I have tried talking one of the protectors through it but they are steadfast that Wiki is all about adding things rather then being concise. By comparsion, this article is running about three thousand words when entries for like institutions (with higher ratings) are about 1/3 in size, but contain much more usefull information. I have posted a suggested rewrite (using the current material) in the "talk" session. Help!!

Rananim's response about Wesleyan

I am one of the users that Stude62 mentions. I am surprised to see this "complaint". I have no problem whatsoever with reorganizing the sentences to make an article with better mechanics. However, Stude62 seems to be willing to just delete stuff and hasn't added anything to it, yet (except for some bizarre church references). So, that to me seems unacceptable.

Here is what I posted to the OWU's discussion page to him: The changes that you suggest, i.e. reorganizing the mechanics of paragraphs and rephrasing the what's already there to shorten the number of words is fine. I really like how you rephrased them. Go ahead and make such changes that reduce the number of words...as long as you do not remove information without discussing such intentions here first.

Also, I don't know why you think that the man on the bike picture is from a recruitment catalogue?!? Can you point which one? Name, etc? I'd love to see it there because this picture is a personal one so there is no way what you are saying is true :-)

Your example with the radio station is brilliant. Add these things too the article if you are interested in them as a reader. So far, I haven't seen you add any information, though...about things that you would like to see. "user:rananim" 20:09, 5 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Response by User:Stude62

I think it needs to be pointed out that based on postings on this and another board User:Rananim is also apparently editing under User:132.236.38.114.

As for the "bizarre church references" I am trying to clarify the role of the Methodist Episcopal Church in OWU's history. User:Rananim / User:132.236.38.114 should be referred to the history of the [United Methodist Church] to untangle who he/she thinks is bizzare.

Re: Wesleyan

If you find a reference by the college's own publications that it was founded or has an affiliation with the Episcopal Church, then fine, go ahead and change that. As a student at Ohio Wesleyan, I have never seen/heard such a reference so that's why I believe it is bizzare. Rananim 20:50, 6 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Gentlemen: This is not a place to engage in debate. Please have discussions about the article on the article's Talk page. I would recommend that you try to bring in outside opinions on this matter, perhaps via Request for Comments, and refrain from reverts or deletions for the time being. Hopefully there are others with knowledge of this subject who can assess the current version as well as Stude62's draft rewrite. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 23:01, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

Kieth-
I am sorry. I let someone get the better of me and I apologize to everyone. Stude62
This issue is pretty much done, according to my examination of the talk page. This issue had little to do with the University page in the first place, and is now a resolved character dispute. Wally 03:23, 21 Mar 2005 (UTC)

List of oxymora

A small edit war is under way. LexCorp (me) and shanedidona are reverting each other. It started when I introduced Creation Science to the list and then shanedidona rved without comment. I rved back and then he deleted my entry and instead introduced Evolutionary Science without comment. I then rved again this time using the talk page to explain to shanedidona first that a revert should be commented and to argue that Evolutionary Science is neither a real terrm or oxymoron for that matter. After that he did not revert but introduced Evolutionary Science again in the page this time using the talk page to offer me a compromise deal that if both terms are in the list he will be ok with it. I have answer no to this as this is a project to disseminate factual information and as such Evolutionary Science can not be considered a oxynoron. I reques assistance as to what steps to follow from here. Yours --LexCorp 17:22, 3 Mar 2005 (UTC) UPDATE: Well it seems that for the moment the dispute has subsided so I will leave the request in stand by mode.--LexCorp 00:10, 6 Mar 2005 (UTC)

User:WikiUser vs. User:ChrisO et al

(Please note the above statement was made by Mr. Tyler, without my knowledge or permission, it has nothing to do with me.) Request for advocate by UserWikiUser. I request a reasonable person to help me against abuse by several people but in particular a user called ChrisO, who has hounded me against all wikipedia rules for most of the time since I registered 7 months ago - to the point where I have felt suicidal. He is abusing me now in a sort of frenzy and says he will shortly "ban" me "long term" as I have filed a Mediation request against a user, and BEFORE I have had time to file a Mediation appeal re him. (I warned him recently that if he did one more attack I would file for Mediation re him. Now hence his upping the level of his attacks.)

When I filed for Mediation, among other abuses of the rules he said: "You also have no right to abuse Wikipedia dispute resolution procedures for your own ends, as in your frivolous arbitration request last August and the equally frivolous mediation request you've made this week.". This is untrue, I do have the same right to file a Mediation appeal that anyone else does.

And is breaking the Mediation procedure by flaming me beneath my appeal on the Mediation page with lies about me, which is against the wiki rules. He is as clearly determined to stop me having a Mediation appeal re him and the other person I've asked to stop abusing me, as he is to ban me simply for editing. I don't know why he has this incredibly extreme obsession against me, but I SEEK ASSISTANCE with preventing him from using the wikipedia to harrass me and stopping my normal use of it, to the detriment of my health.WikiUser 16:07, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)

I like this personal attack cases. I contacted the user preliminarily. I can't take this case, so I restored the request. --Neigel von Teighen 22:05, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
User:ChrisO has rejected mediation [1] and indicated his intent to take the issue to arbitration [2]. Is anyone involved in this case? - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 00:53, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)
Arbitration request is at Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WikiUser. Evidence includes allegations of anon posting by User:WikiUser with language bordering on either the violent or the paranoid, to pages of various users including Jimbo Wales. See Wikipedia:Requests for arbitration/WikiUser/Evidence. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 05:21, Feb 13, 2005 (UTC)
I should note that this user came to us looking for advocacy; there is now an arbitration request against him, which is proceeding. Due to a small dispute between myself and the requestor I do not consider myself appropriate to take the task. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 07:04, Feb 21, 2005 (UTC)
I don't think anyone is! Looks like he will be banned for a long time, so this request should probably be removed. violet/riga (t) 00:47, 26 Feb 2005 (UTC)

User:Katefan0 vs. User:149.243.232.3

Hi there, I reverted an edit to Dan Crippen made by the above anon user. He reverted it back and in his summary line justifying his revert he called me a "known vandal." My problem with the information he added was that it was utter speculation about Crippen's name being circulated as a replacement for the current outgoing NASA administrator Sean O'Keefe. Not only should an encyclopedia not be a repository for rumors, he credited it to a Website called NASAWatch which was odd, since it's essentially a fannish blogsite (he also added an external link to NASAWatch, which smacks as possibly someone involved with the site looking for some free advertising). Anyway, I posted a message on the IP's usertalk page asking him to reconsider his revert, but given the rude and inaccurate way he tagged me as a "known vandal" in the edit summary I am not anticipating an easy resolution. Katefan0 16:20, Feb 17, 2005 (UTC)

  • Looks like he voluntarily reverted. Must've been my appeal on his userpage (shocked!) Man, y'all are more effective than I'd thought. ;) I withdraw my request. Thanks. Katefan0 20:03, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)
    • Congrats. Dispute resolution always starts with attempting to talk with the other party about the issue. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 20:25, Feb 18, 2005 (UTC)

Ollieplatt vs. Radicalsubversiv

Radicalsubversiv has accused me of vandalism and sockpuppetery.

I asked him to withdraw these personal attacks and to say sorry.

He has failed to do either.

Can I please have assistance before I seek arbitration which I would rather avoid if he withdraws his falsehoods. Ollieplatt 20:16, 13 Jan 2005 (UTC)

Southern Manifesto

I request help in resolving the following dispute:

The Note at the end of the article which reads Senators Lyndon Johnson of Texas and Estes Kefauver and Albert Gore of Tennessee were the only Southern senators who refused to sign.

should either be removed as extraneous information

or

No Republican Senators signed. should be included User:Nobs

I believe this disagreement has been mooted. The text of the manifesto, including the list of signers, has been moved to Wikisource. -Willmcw 19:40, Apr 4, 2005 (UTC)

ELITISM

User:Alikar vs. User:70.19.102.225 (me) Alikar has not allowed contributors outside a small clique of people to contribute to the Graffiti article. He has reverted every single edit by user:70.19.18.147 and other "outsiders" with some petty comment. I thought wikipedia is a community allowing the free exchange of ideas? when has it become an elitist clique? please review the history of the page and judge for yourself. I also demand user:Slowking Man to LIFT the ban on 70.19.102.225, that 17 yr old kid is NOT A JUDGE.

After reviewing the history of the article, and seeing blanking by User:70.19.102.225, I contacted User:Alkivar to see if my analysis met with what happend to the article. Reversion was mainly done to keep users within this subgroup from listing themselves in a list of renowned graffiti artists from other primary sources, which are cited at the end of the article. After Alkivar reverted the article to its original content, user 70.19.102.225 blanked the entire article and made a nasty comment instead, and thus, was banned. Although Wikipedia is permitting the free exchange of ideas, it is not to be used for personal vanity. KC9CQJ 02:23, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)
Should the original, petitioning user be open to alternate resolution, I would be more than happy to revitalize his request and serve as an advocate to insure appropriate resolution. KC9CQJ 04:31, 8 Apr 2005 (UTC)


January 2005

User:Eddieuny re anon vandalism on Quixtar

I am not a partisan in favor of the Alticor complex (I am a former distributor, a very long time ago for a very short time.), but there seems to be an edit war going on over the Quixtar article. Perhaps someone more knowledgable than I could take a look and perhaps see if the person who keeps changing Quixtar to Quickscam and Amway to Scamway can be persuaded to move the dispute to discussion; if it keeps up, perhaps editing could be frozen to allow heated passions to cool.

  • Above posted by User:Eddieuny. Numerous anons from different sources are editing the words in the article to pejorative plays on the names of the companies; clearly vandalism. Not sure what Eddieuny's relation to the article is, unless he is a proxy for User:The Mule. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 23:24, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
    • I'm not a proxy for anyone. I was looking at the article and saw that it kept changing all the time, so I thought this was the procedure to let someone more knowledgable know that there might be a problem. I'm a little new to Wikipedia, so forgive me if I violated the conventions. 18:26, Feb 2, 2005 (UTC)User:Eddieuny
      • For the record: no, I'm just trying to identify your relation to the problem. Normally advocates deal with inter-user conflicts, and IMO it helps to measure what the conflict is and what your involvement in it is. I'll be on your Talk page. - Keith D. Tyler [flame]
  • Gave the user appropriate advice, which was well received. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 01:21, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

User:Malbear and VfDs submitted by OneGuy

OMG! Help Help!. Revisionist attack on all articles which describe discrimination by Muslims against people of their own country. New enough to wiki to not know the procedure in this case but after grepping through the dispute res stuff this may be a good place to start. Anyone can help? Going through an entire class of articles and slapping a VFD on every one simply because you dislike the content is probably not what this space is for right?--Malbear 06:03, 14 Jan 2005 (UTC)

  • This seems to stem from a large number of articles by User:RK created straight from U.S. government texts with names like "Status of religious freedom in (name of country)", mostly for Middle Eastern and South Asian countries, as well as similar articles named "Discrimination against non-Muslims in (insert Arab or heavily Islamic country here)" (most of which have been moved or merged into articles with names like the previous example).
Note that each of these articles, which are the ones indicated by the complainant, seem to have been settled with a rename and redirect. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 21:51, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • Incidentally, the user says he is "new enough to not know the procedure" -- his WP activity actually predates mine by a few months. I am responding to the user. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 22:39, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)
  • No response from user after 10 days. Closing. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 01:21, Feb 12, 2005 (UTC)

Robert_the_Bruce et al vs. User:Exploding Boy (RFA)

I have a problem with Exploding_Boy in that he is hell bent on pursuing action against me at the highest level, RfC to Ac and then back to AC while refusing mediation. Now simply put I believe that EB has a specific agenda here in that he wants to force his POV on the articles of his choice. Currently JakeW and myself appear to frustrate his aims and as such he intends to attempt to neutralise us. There is currently an AC matter open which is a shocker. I request two levels of support. One, challenging the process of the AC in this particular case and secondly in addressing the situation which exists between myself and EB. Thank you in anticipation. - Robert the Bruce 18:56, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)

I have responded preliminarily to this user. Wally 20:39, 30 Jan 2005 (UTC)
I have accepted this case and am in the process of preliminary research. Wally 01:12, 1 Feb 2005 (UTC)
User has asked that advocacy end in favor of self-representation. Wally 04:43, 7 Feb 2005 (UTC)

December 2004

Ray Foster vs. Dcreemer re Deaf

I'm not sure how to proceed. I'm new to Wikipedia and I'm working hard to read and understand the overall vision, style and intent. But I have come up with a problem. In the "Deaf" article, there were things written there that were terribly inflammatory, patently false, blatently prejudiced and downright sinister and they were represented as the point of view of culturally deaf people. Of dispute right now is "Views of Treatment" to which I contributed a major re-write.

You should understand that I'm a deaf person who takes a cultural view of deafness. Almost all of the article is terribly offensive to deaf people who share my view, yet the people who originally created the content did decide to address the view of the culturally deaf. The problem is they seemed to have fabricated or fantasized as to what the view of culturally deaf people actually was. Fine. I've posted extensively updates but there is this one section that another contributor posted a NPOV notice on.

I have no problem whatsoever in resolving it, but all I get is utter, profound silence. I posted an offer on the article's talk page to the effect that I was willing to collaberate on creating a page that was a fair representation of the two views, but no one has responded to my suggestion or even expressed any further interest in the page. I told people what I was willing to do, but since I didn't want to wait forever to get feedback I also included a deadline for responding to my offer. I said that if no one responded saying they would like to resolve the issue, I would assume my work was satisfactory and remove the NPOV notice.

But then I realized that maybe I wasn't supposed to set the rules on removing the NPOV notice. That's why I'm seeking input now. What does one do when no one responds to an appeal to resolve the problem? My intention is to completely rewrite the entire article and give it a true neutrality rather than having an article in which I have to represent the culturally point of view as a reaction to negative assertions the orginal authors believed to be benign and acceptable assumptions that could be embraced by anyone without offense. I'd be happy to discuss this via email. Thank you.

Ray Foster 17:56, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)

I know that your situation is very hard and uncomfortable to you and wanted to advice you. As you're new to Wikipedia, surely you don't know anything about our dispute resolution system. We've got four 'resorts' (I like to talk about 'stages') in this system:
  1. Informal discussion (called negotiation or conciliation): discuss this with the other users and try to get consensus.
  2. Request for Comment: You list the page into the Request for Comment page and other users (voluntarily) get into the discussion and try to help.
  3. Request for Mediation: This consists in a mediated discussion between both parties. The mediator (a member of the Mediation Comitee) will only mediate, he/she won't judge.
  4. Request for Arbitration: This should only used for extremely complex cases where anything above has failed. Here, the whole Arbitration Comitee will take a decision about the topic.
About advocates we only represent parties, we can't take any decision, but you can request one when you want. Sadly, I can't help you (I'm in a very hard case now), but by putting the request here, the AMA will put you in contact with another advocate. --Neigel von Teighen 18:05, 23 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I'll look into this a bit, as I've no current cases (others to which I've enquired have been met with no reply). I'll contact this user as well. Wally 08:04, 24 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I have offered to represent User:Dcreemer, the other party in this issue. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 01:05, Jan 6, 2005 (UTC)

"lugnut" (anon) vs. Francs2000

I need some help from someone. I recived several complaints about me messing up pages or vandelizing (however you spell that) I have never, nor would I ever, mess up someone elses work. I live alone. There is 0% chance of anyone else using this computer. My name is Howard Masterson. [phone number deleted - KDT] My E-Mail is lugnut@ccrtc.com. I would like to become a member of this site, but there are some important problems involving your "administrators"(however you spell that) that need to be addressed first. Thank-you lug.

  • Above was posted by anon 209.132.175.22. Am replying via email to ask for more information. Anon IP has only one other edit in history, same date as this one, on admin User:Francs2000's talk page (see post: [3], and user's response at [4]). - [[User:KeithTyler|Keith D. Tyler [flame]]] 18:23, Dec 9, 2004 (UTC)
  • I have made contact with this user. - [[User:KeithTyler|Keith D. Tyler [flame]]] 05:57, Dec 17, 2004 (UTC)
  • I could not uncover any additional information about this issue. I could not convince the anon to register as a user so as to track any future issues. There was some difficulty in receiving responses from the user. I believe this was probably a misinterpretation of comments left for an anon account which the user happened to hold temporarily due to dynamic IP. My SQL request to help track down possible sources of the problem was never answered. Closing. - Keith D. Tyler [flame] 18:51, Feb 1, 2005 (UTC)

Spinboy re VfD on Students' Society of McGill University

I created the article Students' Society of McGill University after seeing quite a few listings in the Category:United Kingdom Students' Unions and created other articles myself. Now it's being voted on for deletion. I don't agree with this as there are many other articles, not created by me, on students unions. I'd appreciate some help. Thank you. Spinboy 20:56, 20 Nov 2004 (UTC)

For the record, this article survived VfD. The advocacy guidelines do not mention article advocacy in VfD. I would argue that this is not an appropriate duty for a member's advocate. - [[User:KeithTyler|Keith D. Tyler [flame]]] 01:23, Dec 1, 2004 (UTC)
I think that is a good issue to consider when deciding if advocacy work is appropriate when people list their disputes here. We can help people who have problems understanding the dispute resolution process or who need someone who can help them articulate their position when dealing with other members who may have more experience; so it is important to make sure that within some request for acting as some kind of mediator there is not also a request just to help the individual with understanding the process or what they are trying to acheive, that, IMHO, is within the balliwick of advocacy here. Remember someone is reaching out to our association because they can't figure out how to do it themselves, so even a little informal communication may be very helpful to them without some declaration of full "advocacy" status on their behalf. Your coordinator. — © Alex756 06:08, 29 Dec 2004 (UTC)

November 2004

DnB re United Nations Children's Fund

I would appreciate some assistance in resolving a dispute - see Talk:United Nations Children's Fund. I have tried hard to engage in a discussion and to reach agreement on removal of a section of the article which is unfair and inappropriate, in my view. It appears that someone is holding this article hostage in relation to a broader argument. They refuse to agree to the deletion even though they appear to agree that it is inappropriate, unless other similar pieces are removed from other articles. This does not seem reasonable. Unable to persuade I deleted the offending section, which was immediately reverted. I don't want, and don't have time, to get into a revert war. i have posted a reference on the disputes resolution page, but would appreciate any expert advice and assistance. thank you. --DnB 23:54, 1 Nov 2004 (UTC)

This user was never responded to until three months after the fact when I stumbled on this. Regardless, by then the conflict was resolved; the user against whom he had a complaint is currently under enforced year-and-a-half ban.
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