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Rewrite

  1. I have removed the section on https servers; if China blocks them, not much point in listing them.
  2. I have corrected the section on the TorBlock extension; as I understand it, it is active on all wikis but the override is disabled. (That is, it was written to automatically softblock all exit nodes and override any local hard blocks. Only the override has been disabled.)
  3. Added IP block exemption.
  4. Modified the section on soft blocks. Hard blocks should be much less controversial now that IPBE has been implemented.

--Thatcher 16:06, 19 July 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Why is it Wikipedia's job to help others circumvent the law?

I have severe reservations about this article. In my opinion Wikipedia shouldn't state or support opposition of the law. I don't care if China's censorship of Wikipedia is wrong, we shouldn't support the circumventing of any law anywhere in any place. I will talk with Jimbo on this. If he agrees, this may need speedy deletion.--Ipatrol (talk) 19:19, 22 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

As long as these articles don't circumvbent western law, it won't matter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.230.116.183 (talk) 04:34, 8 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]
I care very much about the fact that PRC is censoring WP. In my personal book of moral law it's illegal not to help the victims of inhuman dictatorships. Ryttaren (talk) 21:56, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Ahh, so you're saying "My morality is better than your morality so I'll dictate what should be law..." Or to redirect, where I live people normally settle disputes by shooting each other; is my morality "better" because it has an effect of removing any additional violence due to a continued dispute as well as promoting the seeking of non-mortus ways of compromise? So again, your way of life is not the only way of life... it appeals to baser instincts and is very addictive, but it is not the MORAL way.
I'd say there are many "Western Laws" people disagree with, 'drinking and driving' is an easy one. Many people argue that they are 'sober enough to drive, and have never gotten into an accident' and hence are being persecuted for a 'victimless crime.' Unfortunately the crime is only 'victimless' until there is a victim (accident.) Then people say 'why didn't you stop it to begin with.' Yet every advance to prevent drunk driving is met with "YOU CAN'T STOP ME, I HAVEN'T VIOLATED ANY LAWS YET!!!" We even have radar-detectors to specifically warn people that they should 'stop violating the law' for a short period of time.
So if your book of "morality" says "The only morality is MY morality", my book says you're amoral. It is not, and should never be, Wikipedia's grounds to VIOLATE other countries laws, despite your AMORAL positions. 173.168.30.119 (talk) 20:36, 16 November 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Are we still hardblocking Tor?

And can anyone tell me why? I thought there was a system in place for legitimate users to create accounts and then edit via Tor... -- AndySimpson talk? 11:09, 11 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tor is hardblocked because we get an overwhelming amount of abuse from it. Legitimate users with good reason to use it can request IPBE. I've updated the page to reflect the status quo - the system for creating accounts is described there. -- zzuuzz (talk) 13:19, 20 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

3,000 diffs for new users in China

The project page states:

Ask someone outside of mainland China to set you up with an account

However, Wikipedia:WikiProject on closed proxies/Criteria states:

Do you have over 3000 edits on Wikipedia?

How is someone from China supposed to make 3,000 edits in order to qualify? Is one supposed to make 3,000 diffs and e-mail them to a closed proxy operator? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 14:39, 25 March 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've removed the 3000+ edits criteria for WP:WOCP. Ryttaren (talk) 21:48, 26 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I've also tweaked the wording of other criteria to make them consistent with the "Whether you need to have a Wikipedia account created" bullet point on /Usage instructions. But then how is "not including schools, educational institutions or public libraries" intended to intersect with people who live on campus or can't afford Internet access at home? --Damian Yerrick (talk | stalk) 17:40, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

While HTTPS.wiki is availble in China now, does China issue still exists?

~ — Preceding unsigned comment added by 202.38.70.7 (talk) 10:30, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Proposal: Move to "Advice to users using Tor"

Tor is by no means only interesting for users from China. There are numerous other states that censor the web. Also, censorship is only one reason to use Tor, anonymity is another. So I propose to to move the page to "Wikipedia:Advice to users using Tor". --Tobias (Talk) 09:43, 5 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Done --Tobias (Talk) 10:39, 7 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]
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