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Irrational function

I presume an irrational function is one that is algabraic but not rational. Is this correct? Brianjd

I don't think irrational function is a standard term. Charles Matthews 09:13, 8 Dec 2004 (UTC)

There is a problem here (and in several other places). This article confuses a rational function and a rational expression. This is similar to the common confusion between a polynomial function and a polynomial. I propose moving this article to "rational expression", with links to and from rational function, and fixing other articles that fail to make this distinction. Comments? Rick Norwood 00:19, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No one says 'rational expression'. Rational function is the standard term, and should be the article name. We should not mess with traditional terminology, even though there is the point you make, and also the lack of definition at values for which the denominator vanishes. Charles Matthews 08:30, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Many people say "rational expression". It depends on the setting. In ring theory, the rational expressions are the quotient field of the integral domain of polynomials. They are not in any sense "functions" since they are not mappings -- no input or output. They are formal expressions, analogous to the rational numbers, which are the quotient field of the integers.

This is a distinction that was driven home to me in Freshman calculus at M.I.T. The expression x² - 4 is a polynomial, x² - 4 = 0 is an equation, and f(x) = x² - 4 is a function. If the polynomial x - a is a factor of the polynomial, then a is a root of the corresponding polynomial equation, and a is an x-intercept of the corresponding polynomial function.

It still bugs me when people jumble all of these words together.

If you don't like the idea of a name change for this article, can we at least write f(x) = P(x)/Q(x), instead of just the bare expression? Rick Norwood 15:55, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

No disagreement from me that 'function' here is a misnomer. Policy is to use the common name. "Rational function" has five times the Google hits. I'm quiter happy for the article to have a full discussion of all those points. But in a sense the functional notation runs counter to the argument that this is not a function ... Charles Matthews 16:10, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the changes you've made. I'm going to look into how this works with various links to this page, especially from the page fraction. Rick Norwood 17:24, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I note that the title of the article on polynomial functions is "polynomial", though the article begins by identifying polynomials and polynomial functions. (It makes a distinction a few sentences later.) I would like to see the distinction between the various kinds of mathematical objects consistant throughout wikipedia, but it would be a big job and also apt to ruffle feathers. I'm going to make a tentative start, and see what happens. Rick Norwood 23:35, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To return to the subject after that a bit off topic conversation: Even if irrational function may not be a standard term, some people seem to know rather well what it should be, for example in wikipedia: List of integrals of irrational functions. I think that irrational function deserves to be defined here or maybe in it's on article. Currently irrational function redirects here, but the article doesn't even mention it.85.156.185.105 21:53, 5 November 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'm not seeing any examples of functions which are not rational. All the examples suggest that all functions are rational - which is clearly not the case. 121.45.172.38 (talk) 05:02, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

All functions that cannot be written in the form f(x) = P(x)/Q(x) are not rational. If this isn't clear, maybe we need to say it explicitly. Rick Norwood (talk) 14:50, 19 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Form and function.

polynomial function redirects to polynomial. But Rational expression redirects to rational function. I don't care which way the redirects go, but it

New Images

I've just created these three images for this article

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RationalDegree2byXedi.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RationalDegree3byXedi.gif

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:RationalDegree4byXedi.gif

Feel free to add them, as I do not know how to.

Xedi 17:30, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Just added two of them, don't really know where to fit the third so didn't put it in. Xedi 18:08, 30 August 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Application

Just moved the paragraph beginning "These objects are first encountered in school algebra" to this section where it more properly belongs. I am also removing the reference to an alternative construction for hyperreal numbers, a reflection of my own original research that does not belong in Wikipedia, Alan R. Fisher 01:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Shouldn't the sections on Taylor series, Complex analysis, and Abstract algebra be subsecions of this section? I will leave that for more experienced editors to decide. Alan R. Fisher 01:01, 5 July 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Examples

The examples section states that the limit of a certain function as x goes to infinity is... another function. Instead of limit, it should say asymptote, I guess. Also, there was something about the "negation" of the imaginary unit. I took the liberty of changing "negation" to "negative". —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.232.19.210 (talk) 12:39, 21 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Algebraic geometry

This article doesn't address rational functions as defined in algebraic geometry, as elements of the function field of a variety... anyone care to aa —Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.231.110.182 (talk) 01:05, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I've added a brief paragraph, based on the Springer reference. Charles Matthews (talk) 09:43, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Rational functions are not morphisms to the projective line, since the numerator and the denominator can vanish simultaneously. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.119.109.101 (talk) 16:38, 21 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

this s stupid

all goole is a website with opions lololololo — Preceding unsigned comment added by 108.129.103.8 (talk) 19:15, 6 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Clarification sought

I don't understand the meaning of the sentence below (which appears under "Definitions"). Can someone explain?

"... where one assumes that the fraction is written in its lower degree terms, that is, \textstyle P and \textstyle Q have several factors of the positive degree."

Thanks

Lead

The recent edits have clarified the distinction between rational function, rational fraction, and rational expression. This is very welcome, but I'd prefer the lead sentence to define rational function rather than rational fraction:

In mathematics, a rational function is any function which can be defined by a rational fraction, i.e. an algebraic fraction such that both the numerator and the denominator are polynomials.

Note that "rational fraction" is not written in bold here since rational fraction does not redirect to this article. Moreover, I'm not sure whether "rational expression" should redirect to this article. Wouldn't algebraic expression be a more straightforward target in analogy with rational fraction redirecting to algebraic fraction? Isheden (talk) 21:24, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I can accept these modifications. My only concern is that the reader that arrive to any of these pages would be provided with definitions that are accurately correct. D.Lazard (talk) 21:42, 1 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]