Wikipedia talk:Responding to a failure to discuss

The following section seems to be indicating that the article talk page must be used and seems to go against DR/N policy that discussion may take place on the editor talk pages as well:

# Ask for discussion at the article talk page: Say what you're wanting to do, why you're wanting to do it, and give your sources. Do it at the article talk page, preferably in a new section entitled "Request for discussion", not at the other editor's user talk page. Only discuss the edit and do not say a word about the other editor, himself. Not about his motives, his biases, his conflicts of interest, his skills, his habits, his competence, his POV, his POV-pushing, nothing at all, period. Do not use profanity or insults. If you've already asked, but included any of that, see step 1, above, clean it up and apologize and ask again, nicely this time. Here at Wikipedia we discuss edits, not editors. In discussing the edit be crystal-clear but brief. If you can't say what you want to do in a paragraph no longer than this one, then you should seriously consider breaking it down into smaller chunks if possible. If you want to include a draft of what you want to do, that's a great idea and it can be a little longer, but in no case create a wall-o-text.
Immediately put a note on the other editor's user talk page asking him to come to the article to discuss the matter: I recommend using the talkback template for this, rather than using a custom-written note.^[1] Put the following code in a new section entitled "Talkback [[Article name]]" on his user talk page:

{{Talkback|Talk:Article name#Section title|ts=~~~~~}}~~~~

Would this not be better if written to reflect that without an emphasis on location?--Mark 16:26, 24 August 2013 (UTC)[reply]

This looks pretty good. I'm impressed :) Steven Zhang ^{Help resolve disputes!} 13:46, 15 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

@Mark Miller:: First, I didn't mean to ignore you; I somehow missed that you had posted here until just now. Second, I agree that the location stuff is a bit of a distraction, but the gold standard for discussion about article content is to discuss it at the article talk page. Since this procedure is designed to put the person using it in the best, most angelic, light I think that it's useful to focus the discussion there. Moreover, it also makes the application to a sysop less complicated for the sysop to puzzle out, thus making it more likely that he'll take action. What do you think? Best regards, TransporterMan (TALK) 13:25, 16 September 2013 (UTC)[reply]

^ Why? Because a talkback discourages a response there, rather than at the article talk page. This is a close call. It looks better if you leave a nice, coureous very brief custom note, but you do not want to have the discussion occur there: his good faith duty to discuss is to discuss at the article talk page and failing to do it there makes him look somewhat worse. Whichever way you choose to do it, do watch his talk page. If he responds there and not at the article talk page, try this: Copy his response, including his signature and timestamp, from his talk page to the article talk page, put your response there, and at his user talk page respond with, "I've copied your response to the article talk page and have responded there. I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to keep all discussion about this article on the article talk page."

[1] Why? Because a talkback discourages a response there, rather than at the article talk page. This is a close call. It looks better if you leave a nice, coureous very brief custom note, but you do not want to have the discussion occur there: his good faith duty to discuss is to discuss at the article talk page and failing to do it there makes him look somewhat worse. Whichever way you choose to do it, do watch his talk page. If he responds there and not at the article talk page, try this: Copy his response, including his signature and timestamp, from his talk page to the article talk page, put your response there, and at his user talk page respond with, "I've copied your response to the article talk page and have responded there. I hope you don't mind, but I'd like to keep all discussion about this article on the article talk page."

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