Template talk:Cloud computing/Archive 1

Archive 1

Archive 2

Proposal: remove "standards" category

I propose we remove bogus "cloud standards" layer because at this point the cloud is so loosely defined we can't have a real conversation yet about which protocols are closely related enough to be included here. A few examples of items listed which don't really make sense:

• Atom: this a web standard like many others but it's not closely enough related to cloud to be here...
• XMPP: fail to see why this Internet protocol is closely related to "cloud" any more than a zillion other protocols
• BitTorrent: what makes this P2P protocol a cloud standard in any way?

Wtsao (talk) 03:33, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Ok no contention from me on this point - I've removed the category for now pending development of some cloud-specific standards like OCCI, vCloud, OASIS' ID TC, CloudAudit, etc. -- samj _in^out 19:36, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Proposal: remove SaaS "cloud applications" category

SaaS applications don't belong in a cloud computing template. Sure, the SaaS applications described may be implemented using cloud computing technologies but so are countless others. Is hotmail also cloud computing? Where do we draw the line on what to include before "cloud computing" becomes an all-encompassing meaningless term? Wtsao (talk) 03:37, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry but SaaS is, without doubt, a key part of cloud computing - you've got a WP:SNOWball's chance in hell of proving otherwise. -- samj _in^out 19:29, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

Is anything on the Internet not a part of cloud computing? Maybe it would be easier to discuss what cloud computing isn't than what it is? Anyhow, even if I agree with you, we can include SaaS as a single entry in technologies rather than as a category which lists specific SaaS offerings such as those provided by your employer. Wtsao (talk) 04:55, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

SaaS is a major part of cloud computing and one of the three well accepted layers. If anything I'd suggest fleshing this layer out with good examples of cloud computing services - of which Google Apps happens to be one - Microsoft, Amazon and Salesforce are obvious ones too. -- samj _in^out 10:10, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Cloud computing absolutely includes both B2B applications (Salesforce, Intacct, NetSuite), and B2C applications (Webex, GoToMyPC, Mint.com). I think of SaaS as one of the most mature layers within the Cloud Computing umbrella. -- DanielDruker —Preceding undated comment added 23:26, 3 June 2010 (UTC).

Proposal: Add "computer network" to technologies

A previous edit which added computer network to technologies [1] was unfortunately bulk-reverted along with all of my other edits by SamJohnston.

This seems to me like a no-brainer. Computer networks are one of the key technologies which enable the cloud. Wtsao (talk) 03:40, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

You were already blocked for these edits so declaring it a kangaroo court and inflammatory garbage before taking cheap shots like this is no way to hang on to your editing privileges. I've added Internet as this is the "key technology which enables the cloud" - computer networking in general applies to basically all computing today. -- samj _in^out 19:46, 4 May 2010 (UTC)

I'm sorry was this WP:PA a response to my proposal? Wtsao (talk) 04:30, 5 May 2010 (UTC)

Networking is a tricky one here; there's the general global-data-network the telcos are rolling out so that your smart phone gets a certain #of MB per month, then there's the datacentre-side of the problem (I know, some people don't see datacentres as mandatory), where you worry about 1-10 gigabit within the facility (or infinband, etc, and various in-city protocols like Metro Ethernet, whatever gets used long-haul. SteveLoughran (talk) 10:56, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Merge Amazon entries

There's a lot of Amazon stuff around the template (s3, EC2, VPC, Mturk, ... etc). Nobody else gets all their portfolio stuck in everywhere -look at MS Azure, for example. I think we should just have one amazon link - to Amazon Web Services. Question is, where to put it? SteveLoughran (talk) 12:47, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Done. -- samj _in^out 09:44, 25 August 2011 (UTC)

Addition of PaaS examples

IMO, Zoho and Wolf Frameworks are PaaS examples that are illustrative of a wider variety of PaaS - application PaaS- in addition to the current examples in the template. With reference to notability, I have verified the same. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.167.17.65 (talk) 13:11, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

How have you verified "notability" especially given the comments on both web pages saying they are near advertisements. I would certainly pull Wolf, while Zoho is what -a word processor hosted on someone else's infrastructure? If that was the case most web apps written in the past year would go in this template? Also, silence doesn't mean approval, some of us have been away for a week. There are discussion topics on here going past months. Reverting the links until we have approval from more of the page maintainers. I'm sorry to have to do this, but it's the only way to keep the template under control. SteveLoughran (talk) 20:45, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

While reverting I see that I reverted back an entry for Wolf that was added by 122.167.38.83, something not far IPv4-wise from the most recent contributor, again, something that I deemed non-notable. It'd be good to get input from other maintainers of this site so I don't appear to the sole controller of what goes in/out here. SteveLoughran (talk) 20:50, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

Remember, the point of the template is more to give users an understanding of how cloud computing is segmented, not to advertise products. That is, anything included should be even more notable than wikipedia's usual criteria for inclusion. -- samj _in^out 21:07, 6 August 2011 (UTC)