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Hmm disseminating information regarding how to make guns...how is that different to giving out information on how to break into people's homes, hack computers or make crystal meth? From Wikipedia's POV policy how is this any different? 86.160.194.59 (talk) 15:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Making guns isn't illegal? Beyond that , this article doesn't give out any information, it is merely discussing a company that does. There are many articles about hackers, robbers, and drug manufacturers on wikipedia, so I'm not sure what your point is. Gaijin42 (talk) 18:15, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Agree with Gaijin42. WP:Wikipedia is not censored. As long as this organization is notable (and it is, very clearly so, in recent weeks) and the information in the article is verifiable, then this article describing the entity is just fine. The world has lots of stuff in it; all of us don't like some of it. But it may all be described on Wikipedia. Cheers. N2e (talk) 21:16, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Wikipedia's POV policy is to have no POV. Describing the goals of an organization without labelling them as right or wrong is the only way to follow this. Besides, with two of the types of information you mention (breaking into homes and black hat hacking) it is absolutely essential that they be made public. How do you plug security vulnerabilities if you don't know what they are? Connor Behan (talk) 22:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Additional information at sisterlinks

Please see commons:Category:Defense Distributed.

Interesting info including:

— Cirt (talk) 06:27, 10 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Care to explain what is going on?

I have never seen Wikipedia censored as it just was. What is the most harmful thing that could've been added with 75 characters? Links to surviving copies of the Liberator blueprints? The article more or less tells you how to find them as it is. Connor Behan (talk) 18:44, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I don't understand, what just happened? I'm confused, can you explain and elaborate? — Cirt (talk) 23:41, 12 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Look at the history of the article on May 11. Three revisions were made unviewable without anyone involved having the decency to tell us why. Connor Behan (talk) 02:44, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

See Wikipedia:Revision deletion, more info at public logs, lots of reasons that could be that might have nothing to do with the article's topic itself. Best to focus on further research on the article in additional WP:RS and WP:V secondary sources. Cheers, — Cirt (talk) 02:48, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

The only additional info given by the logs is that this had something to do with the removal of a link. The criteria at WP:CRD say that an admin should "give a clear reason for the removal." It seems that either User:Fred Bauder or User:The Anome is in violation of this. Connor Behan (talk) 05:16, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

If I had to hazard a guess, if a link was removed then it was most likely a link to a location to download the liberator 3d-printed gun. They deleted the log entry to avoid the possibility of them coming under ITAR regulations as well.68.62.102.48 (talk) 08:29, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

In need of support: I can't get a new and imho important fact in the arcticle

---8<-- In December 2012, the first idea of the "Liberator" gun emerged from @propagare the German member of Defense Distributed in his Twitter timeline. @Propagare tweeted the idea to Cody Wilson's Twitter account @Radomysisky on the 4th of December 2012. -->8--- — Preceding unsigned comment added by 176.198.80.176 (talk) 13:33, 13 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]