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May 2

Appeal Follow-Up--Darden Smith

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Darden Smith Thank you for your clear and helpful explanation. Indeed, I did not understand the difference between primary sources and secondary or tertiary sources. I have gone back and pulled all information that relied on the primary sources you mentioned: record label's press release, the ASCAP column, interviews with Smith, his HuffPo author profile and one of his blog posts. When I found secondary sources, I was able to restore some of that information. But I tossed the rest.

Would you be willing to take another look??? Once again, I am grateful for you help in seeing this article through. Sabrina Sabrina Barton (talk) 03:13, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You can re-submit the draft for another review by following the instructions in the lower "submission declined" message box or by adding {{subst:submit}} to the very top. I have done so for you; it will be reviewed again in a few days. At a very quick glance the sources look much better now. Huon (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

How do I add a request?

How do I add a request for an article to be created? The "submissions" page is semi-protected. 65.128.234.79 (talk) 03:32, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

If you want to write a new article, please use the Article Wizard. If you want to request others to write an article, please have a look at WP:Requested articles and its sub-pages. Our submission pae is protected because it's an information page for the reviers about submissions, not the place to add new submissions. Please don't try to modify that page. Huon (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/National Music Centre

Hello there wonderful wikipedia editors.

Before I submit my article for publication, I was wondering if you could look it over to make sure I have fixed the issues you mentioned earlier. I'm very new to this, so I do appreciate all of your help in getting this article up.

Thank you!

Musicmuseum (talk)jimjamjummel (Musicmuseum) for Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/National Music Centre — Preceding unsigned comment added by Musicmuseum (talk • contribs) 03:33, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

It will be reviewed when you submit it. From just a quick look I can see some issues, some minor such as the section headings are not properly formatted but more significant problems are that the first reference appears only about a third of the way down the page - thus most of the material above it is not referenced, the article as a whole is not very well referenced. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 11:41, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Blair Cuspids

How do I post a photo? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 204.112.64.40 (talk) 05:23, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

That depends on the image. Wikipedia can (with some narrow exceptions which don't apply to drafts) only accept free images. If the photo is in the public domain (say, because it's the work of an employee of the US federal government) or if it's copyrighted but freely licensed (for example, because you took it yourself and are willing to release it under the CC-BY-SA 3.0 License), you can upload it to the Wikimedia Commons via their Upload Wizard. The picture tutorial explains how to add the image to a page once it's uploaded. Huon (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

On an unrelated note, I had to decline your submission because its source is not reliable by Wikipedia's standards. Wikipedia content should be based on sources that are subject to editorial oversight, such as articles in newspapers or reputable magazines or peer-reviewed scholarly papers. Huon (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Nick_Grey

Hi there,

Please can someone review the AfC on Nick Grey, the British inventor behind Gtech, at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Nick_Grey

I've made numerous edits and now believe the copy is okay for approval for Wiki publication - but need one of you lovely editor-types to have a looksee, and give it a thumbs up now that it's been edited.

Any feedback/advice much appreciated.

46.31.87.177 (talk) 08:44, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

You can re-submit the draft for another review by following the instructions in the lower "submission declined" message box or by adding {{subst:submit}} to the very top. However, I'm not sure your changes since the last review are sufficient. For example, quite a few of the draft's sources do not even mention Grey, and others do so only in passing, quoting Grey on some other topic without discussing Grey himself. The same goes for the article itself, which seems to cover Grey's invention in excessive detail. For example, what's the fact that the AirRAM is fully rechargeable and includes a Lithium battery supposed to tell me about Grey? That sounds more like a sales pitch for Grey's invention than an encyclopedia article on the inventor. Huon (talk) 15:21, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Hi Huon, thanks for the advice. This is a difficult area, but essentially, the features of the AirRAM you mention represent an advance in vacuum cleaner technology unique to Gtech. The changes invented/implemented by Grey differentiate the Gtech range of cordless products from those of other manufacturers'. For instance, the Lithium battery delivers energy savings of up to £200 per year - this is a unique feature of Gtech's product, not offered by other manufacturers, and an innovation in energy efficiency compared to mains-powered vacuums. In terms of "excessive detail", this is down to the number of new inventions within Gtech's products, again, not offered elsewhere. Failure to mention these is failure to explain why Grey has created a successful business in a competitive market. There actually isn't "excessive detail" - the AfC doesn't go into the run-time on charge compared to other manufacturers, for instance, as this could be seen as promotional, even though it has a greater run time as a result of the unique Lithium battery being used, which you felt was an unimportant detail.

It's hard to explain any of that without it sounding salesy.

In terms of 'passing mentions', the fact Grey is regularly featured as a spokesperson for British design/manufacturing were added as citations, as there were initial questions on Grey's "notability". Clearly if the UK's largest broadsheets belive he is notable, with citations showing this (I've never had a feature in the Sunday Times, Sunday Telegraph or Daily Mail about me), then these are worthwhile citations to underline his notability. Again, this is difficult to describe without it sounding promotional.

Is the upshot of all this, then, that until there is a warts-n-all history of Grey in a newspaper, that it's impossible to establish his notability without it sounding like an advert?

Or would it be better to just wipe down the information on the AfC to the bear minimum and attempt to create an entry with no context and thus be disapproved due to lack of info/clarity?

Apologies, but there are countless promotional Wiki pages for numerous businessmen, businesses and retailers which don't even have citations (Argos, for example), so it's confusing to know exactly how to circumvent this 'promotional' business whilst maintaining context and notability, and without going as far into advertising territory as other, approved Wiki pages...

So, given this, is it best to try a very skinny edit with bare-bones material and see how that goes?

Really appreciate your time, thank you :)

10:11, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Question of your review on my wiki draft: 7!!(Seven Oops)

Dear Sir or Madam,

I was wondering if you could let me know where to improve in my draft. It is understandable to be denied, but I would like to make the page for the band 7!!(Seven Oops) be public. There are wiki pages for the band in Japanese, Italian, Spanish, and Myanmar. Thus, I assume my problem was partly the structure that I made for the English version.

Again, please let me know whether I can obtain any advice.

Thank you for your time and consideration.

Sincerely,

-Kotaro — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kotyorkotaro (talk • contribs) 14:57, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

As the reviewer said, the draft doesn't cite any reliable, independent sources. Without such sources we cannot accept an article. That, not the article's structure, is the main problem, though you may also want to take a look at the Manual of style. Huon (talk) 00:35, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Alexander Karasyov

This page already exists (it seems to have passed the review, for which I would like to say "thank you"), but still comes up as AfC and "waiting for review"in my "contributions". So it seems that there is some sort of "double" submission of one and the same article.

I noticed that, on the page existing on the main article space, the references do not show up properly.

Would it be possible to copy the text from "en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Alexander_Karasyov" to Alexander Karasyov? That would take care of the messed-up references and some changes that I have made to the article for creation.

Thank you KomarKomar KomarKomar (talk) 22:26, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

Update: I have made the necessary changes. The references are now all there. So copying is no longer necessary.

What do I now have to do to retract the AfC in order to avoid multiple submission?

Thanks. KomarKomar (talk) 23:01, 2 May 2013 (UTC)

I'd just wait a little; the article is already tagged for a history merge (which must be done by an admin); once that happens, the draft will no longer be submitted for review. Huon (talk) 00:35, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

May 3

Exception to guideline requested

In the article at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Family_of_Secrets I included the following:

Frederick J. Graboske, the first supervisory archivist of the Nixon tapes writes “we need more books like this one — books that make us stop and think about where we are and how we got here. … If the CIA, or any other government agency, is capable of what Russ Baker posits in this book (I believe they are), then we are in critical danger of losing the freedoms guaranteed us under the Constitution.” and that “enough of these connections are sufficiently well-documented as to merit serious consideration”.

I have removed this text in the revision currently under review because it was disallowed on grounds that we do not generally admit Amazon reviews.

I urge that the gravitas of the chief archivist of the Nixon tapes merits an exception to this general rule. Reviews even in scholarly journals are not subject to editorial oversight as strictly as are articles, reviews are understood to express the opinions of the reviewer, and the context is a summary of the range of such opinions about the book which is the topic of the article.

Thank you for considering an exception to what would ordinarily be flagged by a script.
Bn (talk) 12:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

You mean the gravitas of the chief archivist of the Nixon tapes is so great that no one except a bookstore bothered to report what he said? Amazon is not a reliable source, and unless reliable third-party sources report what Graboske said, I see no reason why we should care. Huon (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Three Rooms Press

I already created live page: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Three_Rooms_Press, after seeing Wiki bot warning about deleting orphan images. Can I still get feedback on this new page? Also how to remove from Articles for Creation?

GetDaFacts (talk) 13:21, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

That page is not acceptable as a Wikipedia article, and creating it for the sole purpose of hosting images that would otherwise be copyright violations isn't quite what Wikipedia articles are meant for. You list an impressive number of references, but not a single one of them provides significant third-party coverage of the publisher. Roughly half don't mention Three Rooms Press at all; the other half mention it in passing only. That is not the significant coverage needed to establish that the publisher is notable by Wikipedia's standards. I have thus proposed the article for deletion. Huon (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

I have removed the proposed deletion notice. See comments copied here from the article's talk page, plus my additional comments below:

"Three Rooms Press is notable (1) because it has published several notable individuals listed in first paragraph of section titled "Publication History." Several of the citations include news articles announcing these publications as well as establishing the notability of the authors, (2) one of the two annuals of the press is now archived in the Museum of Modern Art Periodical and Recording Libraries. A link to MoMA archive catalog cited.'

For example there is pre-existing Wikipedia page for Mike Watts. His page seems solid and appears w/o any suggestion for improvement or deletion. He must be notable to included in wiki. The Three Rooms Press cites news and magazine articles about him and publication on his book. They mention Three Rooms Press as his publisher. His publisher is notable because he is notable.

George Wallace (poet) has two books published by Three Room Press. Unfortunately his wiki page needs editing. George Wallace was Suffolk County's (in New York) First Poet Laureate. He is also Winner of the CW Post Poetry Prize and the Poetry Kit Best Book award. He was named Writer in Residence at the Walt Whitman Birthplace in 2011. The cited Performing Arts Studio News article "Poet George Wallace Featured at The Depot" lists these credentials.

A third author published, Jackie Sheeler, has an article written about her in the New York Times labeling her Poet Laureate of Riker's Island. Don't you think that makes her notable?

Three Room Press is not exactly what I would call "start up." (1)They were founded in 1993. A list of their publications and authors is provided in the article. I went through that list and while I see they initially published the two founders and as chapbooks by 2008 they are publishing other folks and (2) some of folks they have published are notable individuals. (3) Now one of their two annuals is now part of MoMA's permanent archives. (4)And in 2012 they start to publish bi-lingual books for two notable writers. So they are going international.

I think they are deserving of attention.

GetDaFacts (talk) 05:57, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

They may be deserving of attention, but Wikipedia artices should only be written on topics that already have received significant attention by third-party sources. A couple of passing mentions isn't sufficient. Also, notability is not inherited, and publishing the works of notable authors does not automatically make a publisher notable. Huon (talk) 06:09, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Novu

Suggestions for good "reliable" resources, trying to talk about a start-up? There's not a whole lot about them other than their main website and I'm worried that would be considered too advertorial to go to the main source. Do I just need to wait until they are more established? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Celtic1978 (talk • contribs) 13:55, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

WP:EXISTS WP:RS LionMans Account (talk) 14:42, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

To elaborate a little, reliable sources would be articles about the company in newspapers or reputable magazines (not press releases, though - those are not subject to editorial oversight and are not considered reliable). If the sources currently in the draft are the best to be found, you'll indeed have to wait until they are more established. Huon (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of User:Coignard/sandbox

I want to publish my french article "Alexandre Sacha Putov" I am french and help me — Preceding unsigned comment added by Coignard (talk • contribs) 19:10, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

That draft cites no sources. All Wikipedia content should be based on reliable sources that are independent of the subject, both to allow our readers to verify the draft's content and to establish that Putov is notable enough for a Wikipedia article. Huon (talk) 19:38, 3 May 2013 (UTC)

May 4

Article Jamshed Mistry

Hi, I needed to know about the article i had written about Jamshed Mistry.. When would it go live and be available? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Sudisha2507 (talk • contribs) 18:09, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

That draft currently isn't submitted for review; you can submit it by adding {{subst:submit}} to the very top (including the curly brackets). However, there are two issues that should be addressed first: Firstly the vast majority of your sources only mention Mistry in passing (a la "... said Jamshed Mistry"), and several others are primary sources such as press relseases or the websites of organizations Mistry is affiliated with. To be considered WP:BIOnotable]] Mistry must have been the subject of significant coverage in reliable third-party sources, such as newspaper articles about him. I don't think your current sources meet that standard. Secondly, you should add Help:Footnotes to clarify which source supports which of the draft's statements; see WP:Referencing for beginners on how to easily do so.

In its current state the draft probably would not be accepted. Huon (talk) 18:28, 4 May 2013 (UTC)

May 5

Review of User:Kx.maniphest.destiny/sandbox

I am trying to upload images for this article I just drafted : Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Don Albinson

I see that they DO upload, however they are not embedded in my article - in fact I don't know where they're being stored. Do I need to wait for my article submission to be approved before I can imbed images? Please advise. Kx.maniphest.destiny (talk) 00:49, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Often, yes you do need to wait. With regard to these images, you don't. It appears that Huon just now fixed the problems with the images on the page. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 01:08, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

(edit conflict) For all I can tell, you have uploaded two images, File:Don Albinson, Furniture Designer.jpg and File:Stacking Chairs Designed by Don Albinson.jpg (compare your contributions). I have corrected the file names given in the draft. Huon (talk) 01:10, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

complete an article

How can I complete an article that I started? I started to write a new article named Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Peninsula Temple Sholom and I had to turn off my computer. Before doing that I pressed Save. How can I go back and continue writing it? Thanks. Ptseducation (talk) 05:07, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

You don't seem to have saved the draft; your only contribution so far is the edit to this very page. If you're lucky you may still be able to retrieve the draft from your browser's cache; if that doesn't work and you don't still have an offline copy, you'll unfortunately have to write it again. Huon (talk) 05:24, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charlie Drew

Wikipedia talk:Articles for Creation/Charlie Drew I've spent 2 days trying to put an Infobox into my article using {{Infobox or {{Infobox comedian but no box appears, just the words as shown left. As I am now considering aborting my article I thought I'd try posting this question. Oh, and my laptop would not print the tildes, I had to copy and paste these from a line above. Curioser and curioser. Malcolmdee (talk) 17:01, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

I have no idea about the laptop tilde problem, but I have added an infobox to the draft. I'd say the draft needs better sources; for example I couldn't tell what exactly "The Era 1913" is or how I could look it up, but I doubt it covers Drew in any significant detail. For all I can tell, Drew may just have been a member of the supporting cast or a background musician. Huon (talk) 18:02, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

Football at the 2013 Summer Universiade

Dear Wikipedia, I have already create a page "Men's Football at the 2013 Summer Universiade", I don't have a account before,but use the IP address "142.177.24.77", the page is "Articles for creation/Football at the 2013 Summer Universiade", but that link doesn't appear on the website. So I didn't create for women's football schedule in case this would not appear on the website. So could you help me to make this page appeared on the website? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Younis7435 (talk • contribs) 21:07, 5 May 2013 (UTC)

May 6

Tolikara Papua Indonesia

Tolikara Papua Indonesia

— Preceding unsigned comment added by Kabupatentolikarapapuabarat (talk • contribs) 00:49, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

How may we help you? Huon (talk) 07:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

My article has been declined by FoCuSandLeArN (talk). How to resubmit the modified content?

My article draft is Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/V. Raghunathan and it has been declined on 22 April 2013 by FoCuSandLeArN (talk). Now I have modified the content and want to resubmit the same. So, kindly help me in this regard. Aghosh4 (talk) 05:50, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

You can resubmit the draft by adding {{subst:submit}} to the very top (including the curly brackets). However, none of your sources are independent of the subject - most of them are his own books. As sources we don't need Raghunathan's own writings or his company's, but what people not associated with him have written about him. Newspaper articles about him or reviews of his books would make good sources, for example. In its current state the draft would be declined again for the same reason. Huon (talk) 07:01, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Margasoft Corp.

Hello,

I have written an article about Margasoft Corporation.

My publication was not published, because the submission was not adequately supported by reliable sources.

So, I want to send some links for you to see whether they are considered reliable sources or not.

http://itguide.eif.am/?id=129#top http://www.zoominfo.com/#!search/profile/company?companyId=352387825&targetid=profile http://www.it2business.org/product.aspx?pid=107 http://www.crunchbase.com/company/margasoft-corporation

Thank you in advance. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Khzhanna (talk • contribs) 08:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The EIF Guide is written by Margasoft itself, not an independent source. So is the Zoominfo profile. I cannot quite tell what IT 2 Business is, but it looks like Margasoft's software supplier to me, who wouldn't be an independent source. I see no evidence of editorial oversight, so it's probably not a reliable source either. Finally, CrunchBase is user-submitted content without editorial oversight, definitely not reliable. Furthermore, according to the page history you apparently wrote that one yourself. Huon (talk) 09:46, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charlie Drew

Thanks Huon for the Infobox. It proves it can be done but, of course, I am no wiser about how to do it! I am now struggling to locate the {{reflist}} listing to clarify The Era. The Era was a British Showbiz newspaper which was published for 101 years (Search Wiki - The Era (newspaper). I spent several years searching and copying microfilm in libraries in Birmingham, England and Rhyl, North Wales and have considerable source material. If I had got started on my great uncles' bio I had planned to cross refer to The (London) Palladium Minstrels and E.H.Williams' Merrie Men of Rhyl which were huge showbiz attractions in their time but may be of little interest to some people now some 100 years later. I have lodged a 129 page privately printed book with various libraries in England & Wales but had hoped to preserve my research on the internet in some form before my demise (currently 71 years of age!) when, no doubt, my reference material will be confined to a rubbish skip! I fear that creating Wiki pages is on a par with computer programming which I have not attempted since my early days with a ZX81! So I may have to call a halt to this. Maybe someone has created an idiots programme available in a box on a shelf at PC World that would automatically programme the Wiki process for me. Money to be made there methinks. Malcolm Drew Malcolmdee (talk) 16:00, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I had provided the diff so you could see what I added. For more general help on infoboxes, see Help:Infobox; for the documentation of this particular infobox, see Template:Infobox comedian. Basically, I just copied the relevant stuff from the template page and filled in what parameters I could ascertain or guess.

Regarding The Era, a link to our article on The Era (newspaper) would have been helpful (I've added it now) - I tried a Google search which, rather unsurprisingly, failed utterly because it swamped me in irrelevant eras. But even with the link, would you expect our readers to look up a year's worth of newspapers to find the one that discusses Drew? Could you provide a more specific publication date, and maybe a page number? The same goes for the Rhyl Record & Advertiser which I presume was not a monthly publication.

On a more general note, the draft currently seems rather devoid of specific information. Where and how was Drew educated? When did he perform with what troupe? What was his role in the performances? Was Drew himself (as opposed to the troupe as a whole) the subject of public or critical acclaim? What did he do after he stopped performing? Do we know anything about his family? Was he married? When and how did he die? I obviously haven't checked the sources (and since I don't expect my local library to carry pre-WWI editions of those newspapers I probably would be hard-pressed to do so even if I knew exactly where to look, but that's a problem with my library, not with the sources), but I wouldn't be surprised to learn that they cover the troupes Drew performed with and only mention Drew himself in passing - that would not be the significant coverage we need to establish that Drew himself is independently notable enough for an article of his own. Huon (talk) 18:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Cancer Systems Biology

Could you tell me when I can expect decision on the page I have created Cancer Systems Biology? --Lestrada45 (talk) 16:03, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

I believe there's currently a review backlog of about ten days, give or take a few. However, most of those draft's sections don't cite any sources; that should be fixed before the draft is reviewed, or it will likely be declined for that reason. Huon (talk) 18:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charlie Drew

Hi,again, Huon, Sorry about some lines of irrelevant stuff that got into my post a short while ago. I did not realize that this "chat" page processes those funny bracket things! Malcolmdee (talk) 16:19, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Not a problem; I fixed it. If you want to write about a "template" (ie something that uses those brackets) on a page without actually using it, we have a special template for that purpose; for example, {{tl|reflist}} will produce this: {{reflist}} That's just a link to the reflist template, not the list of references which the template itself creates. Huon (talk) 18:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Sarah Beattie

At the top of the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Sarah_Beattie it says “This is a draft Articles for creation submission. It is not currently pending review...” and at the foot of the page it says “Review waiting. This submission is waiting to be reviewed. This may take several days...” These statements contradict each other. Please clarify.Blueshistory1 (talk) 16:43, 6 May 2013 (UTC)blueshistory1

 Fixed Pol430 talk to me 17:05, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

The "not currently pending" message is an artefact that should usually be removed by a bot - in this case Pol430 pre-empted the bot. As long as there's a "review waiting" message on the page, it is submitted for a review. Huon (talk) 18:23, 6 May 2013 (UTC)

May 7

I need a help. Youth time

good day! it was a draft article The Youth time about movement, it was removed. Now I want to finish this article. prompt, am I need to edit articles in the last blank and then put up for discussion? thank you Tanya ZAV. (talk) 04:18, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I don't see the problem. There are currently three drafts, Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Youth Time (YT) International Movement, Wikipedia:Articles for creation/The Youth Time (YT) International Movement and an empty one at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Youth Time. The latter never had any significant content; nothing was removed from any of those pages except a duplicate draft. The bot's copyright warning at the latter draft is a false positive and can be ignored, though it may be a good idea to delete that empty draft and to focus on the one that actually has some content. If you want to submit it for a review, you can follow the instructions in the "currently not submitted for review" message box: "If this submission is ready to be reviewed, click here." That will add an almost-empty section to the end of the draft; it won't blank the draft. You should not re-start new drafts but rather modify and improve the existing drafts; the best one is by far Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/The Youth Time (YT) International Movement; it would help if you used inline citations (see also WP:Referencing for beginners on how to easily create nicely-formatted footnotes). Huon (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Charlie Drew

Huon. My draft consisted of one line of bio information, a photo and two refs for the sole purpose of familiarising myself with formatting wiki inputs. I hit on a problem creating an Info box so I clicked on "HELP DESK" for assistance on a technical issue. In my book one line does not constitute a draft article so comments such as "would have been helpful", "would you expect our readers to look up...", plus all the !where's and what's" are totally irrelevant. If I had been ready for a review of my work rather than a novice trying to find my way round the syntax I would have clicked on "click here" next to the reference to submissions. I quote the line towards the top of the page "Thia is a draft Article for creation submission. IT IS NOT CURRENTLY PENDING REVIEW" My blocks. I fear I have come somewhat abruptly to the end of the road on this article unless another editor can show a bit more tolerance. I googled Wikipedia too complicated" and found that your leader, Jimmy Whales, has conceded to BBC News that the article creation process/editing is too complicatwd for many users and needs simplifying. I wait in hope. Sorry, no stars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Malcolmdee (talk • contribs) 11:20, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

I apologize for appearing too demanding; that was not my intention. I believe I have answered your infobox questions and pointed you to the relevant help and documentation pages that offer additional information. Do you need additional help regarding the infobox? If so, what kind of help?

My comments about sources have a very simple reason: Right now it's very hard to tell whether Drew is notable enough to be the subject of a Wikipedia article in the first place. If he isn't, you'd be wasting your efforts. If he is but you haven't yet added the relevant information to the article, you can of course ignore my comments and take your time to improve the draft at your leisure. Huon (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Camp Foley

I looked at numerous summer camps that have pages on Wikipedia that do not link to any more "reliable" sources than what I put together for the Camp Foley page. Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Camp Foley. I am curious why their pages get to exist but mine does not. I would like to put together a list of pages that I'd like to be removed if Wikipedia is going to follow the same standards that were followed for my page.

Kmstrobel (talk) 13:39, 7 May 2013 (UTC)kmstrobel

The biggest problem appears almost all the references are to Camp Foley's site or promo pages run by the camp. The article needs independent, reliable sources. Typically, newspaper articles or magazine articles about the camp will work. LionMans Account (talk) 16:27, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Bradley Wisk

The article about Bradley Wisk is notable; however, I'm not sure where and how to add the notability. I am also unsure of how the article should be formated.

Do I create a works cited list? How do I use these these sources for notability?

He has articles on these news stations as well as the paper and also in other venues: the following are only a few of many...

http://www.wzzm13.com/news/article/230446/205/Opera-Singer-Bradley-Wisk-Performs

http://hollandparktheater.com/bradley-wisk/

http://www.verdichorus.org/artists/bradley-wisk/

Thank you.

Jami Vander Kooi Black Lake Studio and PressWinstrom (talk) 17:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

You could take a look at existing Good Articles on similar topics; there are lots here. An example might be Anthony Field. It wouldn't have to be that good to be accepted; something like Da Gryptions could get accepted, but it's worth being aware that the newspaper and magazine references are useful in proving notability, whereas the iTunes, YouTube and Twitter ones are not. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:01, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Of the three references you suggest, the first barely struggles to give significant coverage - don't we know who said ""an alluring rich color and exceptional spinning stratospheric top notes"? The second and third both seem to be from organisations associated with Wisk, so have little to no value in proving notability. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:05, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/MOVING CRACK TIP TEMPERATURE VARIATION

I've been editing the article Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/MOVING_CRACK_TIP_TEMPERATURE_VARIATION. I don't understand all the new editor approval/disapproval thing. I have the following comments about this article, but there is no "talk" section.

• The references check out, and I've just about finished looking them up and correcting them.
• The title is all caps, I don't know how to change this, but it is ugly.
• The original article had poor English, and I've done my best to improve it.
• The subject matter seems important by the number of references, but the article doesn't state the context of this matter, nor link to anything in the context or why anyone would find this result important. I feel that it is, by looking up the references, but I'm no subject matter expert--the article could be improved by including this.
• I edited all the equations to use math encoding.

Shawn@garbett.org (talk) 18:02, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Thanks for improving this article draft! I've asked for input from Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Physics. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 18:12, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

No problem, I was trying to clear the queue so more time could go toward an article I have an interest in getting approved.

I think the article is possibly a subsection of the following Fracture mechanics. This provides a context that makes more sense, and it's a problem in that field. I would recommend this content be folded onto that page. Shawn@garbett.org (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 18:54, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

(Caution: I am not a subject matter expert) This article is about heat dissipation caused by plastic deformation at the crack tip. It is a real effect, especially for ductile fracture. The basic idea is described at Fracture mechanics#Irwin's modification in the heat dissipation term. I agree that the content of the article could be folded into that section. It is in a sense complementary to the content in Fracture mechanics#Irwin's modification, as that section is about predicting when a fracture occurs and this article is about the thermodynamics of crack propagation. As a standalone article, it would need more of an introduction and context before jumping straight into betas. --Mark viking (talk) 19:13, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/AG Hair

Hi, I submitted an article in the Sandbox, which has been declined based on "This submission's references do not adequately evidence the subject's notability", I am not sure what else I can do, as I have included coverage from press, magazines and awards, made reference to partnering companies and charity's.

Any help would be greatly appreciated. Heatherkennelly (talk) 18:34, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

The partnering companies and charities are not independent sources on their cooperation with AG. Press releases such as that about the Ernst & Young award are not reliable. Unless they're hosted by a reputable news organization that exercises some sort of editorial oversight, blogs often are considered unreliable too. Furthermore, the first paragraph reads like puffery: "quality hair products", "large professional-only beauty retailers", "can be found in national beauty chains". That largely doesn't cite any sources, and I can't tell which third-party source mentions "Taiwan and Australia".

Regarding the notability issue, AG Hair might make the cut if the unreliable sources and the unsourced hype are removed, but for all I can tell, we have very little information on the company itself (no revenues, for example, and while one source mentioned the number of employees, the draft doesn't), with most sources reporting on rather peripheral activities such as their aid for education in Africa. I'd call it a borderline case, and the reviewer apparently felt it didn't quite make the cut. Huon (talk) 20:53, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Fort Worth Transgender Support

I wanted to add my logo thumbnail to the page but couldnt understand the upload procedure. Yes I own the graphic, I created it.

--Nicole M. Taylor 20:03, 7 May 2013 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Queennikki1972 (talk • contribs)

If you own the copyright to the graphic, you may wish to reserve some rights as to its usage - in which case, you should wait until the article is accepted before uploading the graphic. If you don't wish to reserve (most) rights as to usage of the graphic, you could upload it at https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Special:UploadWizard (you might need to log into your account or create an account) stating that it is entirely your own work. --Demiurge1000 (talk) 20:07, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Allen Fishman

When is this article going to be reviewed? This has been a frustrating process. I appreciate the integrity of Wikipedia to prevent the platform from being mis-used. Yet I spent considerable time working up an article on my colleague, Allen Fishman. He has written multiple business books, was a nationally syndicated business writer & has started a prominent company to help small businesses. He has appeared widely in the press and in television interviews. Yet the first reviewer rejected my article. I then took significant additional time to update it with many more sources. It continues to be in a "waiting for review" status. I understand that the reviews involve volunteers. Yet I would appreciate any assistance that you can provide to get this approved & into the wiki encyclopedia. Thank you! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Dscarola (talk • contribs) 21:43, 7 May 2013 (UTC)

There's currently a backlog of about 730 drafts awaiting review; the oldest are about two weeks old. Please be patient. At a glance the draft heavily cites books and articles by Fishman; Wikipedia content should be based not on what he has written, but on what others have written about him (for example, the The Southeast Missourian article). Besides, Amazon is more interested in selling books than in providing accurate information; it's not a reliable source. Neither are press releases. Huon (talk) 02:24, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

May 8

Article turned down

I don't understand the comment. I sourced everything in the article. If there isn't a source on something in the bio, it's sourced in the writing section.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/Amy_Greene_(author) — Preceding unsigned comment added by AdamGreene13 (talk • contribs) 02:29, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

There are two issues. Firstly, entire sections don't cite any sources. Especially for biographies of living persons you should always cite the sources right where they are used; see WP:Referencing for beginners on how to easily do so. Secondly, several of your sources aren't independent of Greene or not reliable. This includes Amazon, for example, but also Greene's own op-eds and her Glamour article. You should remove those. Huon (talk) 03:44, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

Review of Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Chingsubam Akaba Meetei

LIFE & WORKS OF OJA AKABA In these dark uncertain times when our land is in the harsh grip of lawlessness, where killing and arrest seen to be the order of the day, the people of Manipur/Kangleipak lost yet another able leader Chingsubam Akaba, a man who stood for this tiny land in his untiring effort to preserve the age old tradition and customs, language and ethnic identity. His (assassination) death under mysterious circumstances is nothing but an act of cowardice, a conspiracy hatched by people who intend to send the rich language, culture and tradition of Kangleipak into oblivion. To save the eroding, depleting cultural identity, language and script- to bring a new order, a fresh revolution in order to bring the land and its people into a new dawn of advancement, development and peace, as if destined by Mother Earth- Chingsubam Akaba was born to Chingsubam Yaima and Chingsubam Ongbi Madhumati on Thursday, the 9th November, 1944 at Khurai Soibam Leikai Meri Leirak. Akaba’s father Chingsubam Yaima was a devout Meetei and he used to go around the land reciting and preaching the ancient scriptures so as to awaken the people to remember their religious roots. The young Akaba too followed his father’s footsteps and grew up a devout follower of the ancient tradition and culture of the land. But, the king of the land and a large section of he people have become immersed in the new religion (Hinduism) and it was almost impossible for the followers of the old faith to find supporters in their attempt to revive the old faith and its age old practices. Moreover, Akaba’s father was finding it hard to make ends meet with preaching work and sadly the family was plunged into acute poverty. At this juncture Akaba couldn’t remain an innocent boy anymore, unaware of the financial problems and therefore he joined his father who was already a mason by then. Both father and son used to travel to far off villages in the hills and build houses. The impact of poverty stricken life and an unfriendly social system of Hinduism which was imposing its rules and regulations – of pure and impure, all these created an uneasy, difficult environment for young Akaba in his pursuit for higher studies. The first school he attended was Nambam Chuthek L.P. School followed by Radhe J.B. School till the fifth standard. Later, he attended the High school at Johnstone School from the sixth standard upto the tenth class, as he continued the work of a mason during the day. Akaba passed his I.A from Modern College, but he couldn’t complete his B.A. He married Wangkheimayum Wangambi from Wangkhei Khunou in the year 1976 and later became parents to five children, two daughters and three boys. From his early boyhood days Akaba had a very strong instinct of following his heart’s desire regardless of the consequences and later in life this had a strong bearing in his activities. The object poverty in his early years combined with the impact of Hinduism, dividing the society, creating enmity between the valley and hill people, Akaba was determined to fight against this vice. This desire led him to work ceaselessly in a number of social upliftment programmes from the year 1960 till his death on 1st January, 2007. In the year 1969 with Namoi Tomba as President and himself as Secretary founded the Peoples Safeguard Organisation and for the first time a revolt against the use of intoxications like liquour, drugs and social crimes etc. along with disciplinary actions were taken up against wrong doers to save the society from further degradation. In the same year Akaba also founded the Meetei National Front, becoming the President of the Front and started a movement to bring back the age old religious practices and customs of the Meetei by denouncing the new religion (Hinduism) to bring social change wherin all the pople residing in the hills as well as plains of may once again live in peace and harmony and also revive the ancient cultural practices. In 1970 he took a srong initiative in educating the local youths (both boys and girls) of the various leikai (localities) and for this he established the Nawa Shindam Shang, with himself teaching the young boys and girls inorder to enlighten them with the ray of education, later the name of this was changed to Hawaibam Mani Nawa Shindam Shang. In 1972 in order to bring the courageous, hard working and talented Meetei women at the forefront and to enable them to take part in the decision making process of social issues, he framed the Chanura Lamjing Marup which was an organization for women where Akaba’s wife Wangambi too joined as the Secretary of the organization. In the same year he also founded another organization – Council of Eastern Youth Voluntary Association (CEYVA) which was a joint body of all the associations/organizations in Imphal East, himself becoming the President. In a bide to revive the ancient religious practices of the Meetei and to make its relevance felt by the masses he undertook the task of developing the religious places spread across the land which includes – Mongbahanba Forest (Umang), Chingoi Nongmaiching, Engourok Lai, Panganba etc. He was strongly working towards changing the present name of our land “Manipur” (which was a name given when the Hindu religion started spreading in the land), into our ancient original name used by our forefathers i.e, Kangleipak. In the year 1891, when the British took over the independent kingdom of Manipur the ancient sacred religious place of Kangla became a place for lodging the British soldiers and later when the land was again annexed by India it still remain headquarter for the Indian military. This prevented the people of Manipur from entering this sacred place of the Meetei God freely and perform religious rites. Akaba and his followers tirelessly raised their voice to remove the army’s occupying Kangla and launched a series of protests and strikes. Between the years 1960 and the mid of 1970 when revolutionary movement demanding the independence of Manipur from India started, Akaba took strong imitative by working closely with the leaders of various revolutionary organization of the land in chalking out plans and polices to make the movement take shape. A number of times this able leader of the land was put behind bars for his association in various revolts and protests staged against the (ruling) govt. of India. In the year 1976 he took an active part in the fearful agitation to bring the ancient diety of the Meeteis – Lainingthou Sanamahi which was worship at a Hindu temple in Moirang Ningthou Leirak to the present place Haying Khongbam, Tolloi Yumfam (1st M.R. Campus). In leading this agitation he was shot at but luckily escaped as the bullet pass through his jacket unhurt though two men, H. Kumar and Oinam Chaoba got hit by the same and was killed. Finally the government agreed to the legitimacy of demand and the diety Lord Sanamahi was handed over to the follower of the Meetei religion. To bring back peace, love and harmony between the hills and plain people. He once again took strong initiative and started organizing in a large scale the once popular Festival and ritual practices of our ancestors like – Mera Hou Chongba, Mera Men Tongba and other such festivals, in which both the hills and plain people participated with a lot of enthusiasm with food, fund and frolic. In the year 1979, for the first time, Meetei National Front (MNF) held the observerance of the Burning of Puya (Ancient Holy Text of the Meeties ). Then in 1982 he revived for the first time a long forgotten ritual of the people of Kangleipak – Mera Hou Chongba at Langthabal Khoupura with the participation of hundreds of people. Later in 1997 when Akaba became the president of Lainingthou Sanamahi Temple Board, the Mera Hou Chongba observation was attended by the Governor as well as the Chief Minister of the state and from that year onwards this festival was announced a state holiday and celebrated every year till date. With the firm belief that the people residing in both hill and plain of Manipur are all brothers and sisters of the same mother, the church at Khongbam Tangkhul village, Senapati District was built by Akaba leading a team of his masons without any thought of taking remuneration. Again in the year 1974, he fielded Chongloi Tangkhu who was originally a resident of Ukhrul district to contest in the General Election and this was one of his endeavour to show that the valley area of Kangleipak too belongs to the hill people also. He travelled to a number of villages in hills and participated in their religious functions and took along with him youths, both boys and girls to exchange gifts and other token of love and friendship. He also worked relentlessly to unite the sparsely populated racial groups residing in various parts of South East Asia conveying cooperation, coordination and help among the said peoples. In the year 1984, alongwith Golmei Makuichung and Irom Komol set out on Foot to Lakhipur Cachar in order to spread the age old religious rites and rituals and performed works to unite the Meeties. In order to show that the land was once an independent state, he took a big venture in reviving, restoring and uplifting the age old practices, rituals and rites of the Royal Palace. With high view of reviving the extinct royal custom and tradition the then namesake King Okendrajit was christened as His Highness Pareihanba. He also laid emphasis on the need to produce clothes, other handicrafts items and to promote the rearing of silk worms in many part of the hills and valley areas to strengthen the economic condition of the state. Then in the year 1973 with the leaders of Revolutionary Government of Manipur (RGM) who were freed by Manipur government under General Amnesty, founded “All Manipur Cotton Development Association” in order to revive the almost extinct cotton plants. He was elected the Board of director for the said Association and undertook the task of planting cottons in places like Kongdong Lairembi, Mapao Khongban, Ngairangbam, Matai etc. He also played a very important role in setting up the Ahong-gei Market by evoking the Ema Emoinu diety from Nongmaiching hill to the said Market place. He was deeply concerned about the so-called freedom movement, the condition of the land under the grip of the draconian act, Arm Forces Special Power Act, 1958 and the heinous crimes performed behind it. He did not miss any steps in every and each movements to root out his devil of law/act and pitched in whatever was in his power physically as well as emotionally to help the movements. In his attempt to bring back the people of Kangleipak who have drifted away from its roots by the attractions offered by the modern trends of life, he alongwith Golmei Makuichung Kabui started a daily called Pandam in 1982 with himself as the Editor and the later as the Assistant Editor. He also wrote a number of patriotic songs, poems and dramas. He brought out a song collection called “EEman Koure” (Mother is Calling) Volume 5 and another Collection called “Opium War” which was aimed at dissuading the drug users from the grip of drug addiction. His plays “Lambisigi Aroibada” (At the End of the Road) and Meeyamgi Leingak (Government of the People) are being shown at Rupmahal Theatre from time to time. But ‘Meeyamgi Leingak’ was banned by the govt. He was also eagerly waiting to bring out a collection of poems and play “Opium War” He was also planning to make films on two very significant historical events “Puya Meithaba (Burning the Sacred books of Meetei) and “Chahi Taret Khuntakpa” (Seven years Devastation). After Manipur became a state of India the Meeteilon (Manipuri language) and script was also at the edge of extinction by the oppression of the main land, he led many movements to include Meeteilon (Manipuri language) in the 8th Schedule of Indian Constitution. Despite having its own script the Manipuri people learnt or taught the language by borrowing the script of another Indian Language Akaba strongly resented this and started a strong movement to replace by the original scripts. In the year 1980, after the Manipur Government brought out its Gazette, in order to bring the Manipuri Scripts at the forefront, Akaba and some one fifty of his followers, in 1991 marched on foot to every nock and corner of the state to spread awareness of the language. By the year 2006 these struggle bore fruit and the state government passed an order that Manipuri Language in its original script be taught in the schools of Manipur in first and second standards. He even signed an agreement with the authorities of Manipur University that a department be opened in the name of the great preacher and religious scholar Khonangthaba so that a deep and serious study can be make on the ancient customs, tradition and religion of Manipur for development of our language and culture. Along with this, a statue of the great scholar was decided to install in the campus of Manipur University and a place to install it was marked out to place it. The curving of the statue was also started. The attitude of the administrators and political leaders of the land – their iresponsible and inconsiderate way of running the administration, with little thought of improving the social and economic condition of the people, their short sightedness towards the future, acting for their selfish vested interest, disregard for the peoples wishes, making the future dark, bleak and their concern directed more towards mainstream India rather than their own land and people, all contributed in making Akaba restless and come out to voice his discontentment towards these wrong doers. He took a very pivotal role in uniting the various regional political parties into one so that the peoples voices can be heard and a new social order be formed. As such, he made the various regional political parties of the time come together and form one single party i.e. The Manipur Peoples Party (MPP) so that it can become a strong Regional Political force. To bring a new beginning change and development in the land, he worked ceaselessly and tirelessly to promote this newly formed political force by seeking the people’s support so as to test the strength and capability of this party in its mission. At this juncture when Akaba was trying hard to hand over this new experiment and aimed at making the people realize the need to express their desires and aspirations and to stand strongly for it, when he was starting to spread the message of the newly formed political force, some people with selfish motive and vested interest conspired and snatched away our leader Chingsubam Akaba on the adjoining midnight of 31st December, 2006 and 1st Jan 2007 at 12:156 am. In recognition of his commendable services to the cause of the people of the land and mankind at large, the king of Manipur sent the “Kairen Keijao” so that the body of the departed leader may ride/rest on (the “Kairen Keijao”) it in his final journey. His lifeless body was taken to all the major streets of Imphal and then to the office of the M.P.P., the party he had started inorder to bring a new awakening to the path of development for the people of the land where he was accorded a warm farewell. Later, his body was taken to the palace of Manipur where the King along with the people shown their last respect and then it was carried to the Lainingthou Sanamahi Temple where he was given another farewell and finally he was brought at his birth place Khurai Soibam Leikai the body was kept at Citizen’s Club ground till 3 Jan, 2007 to that people coming from various parts of Manipur both hills and plains and people who have gone aoutside the state could pay their last respect to the departed leader. Later, the body of our dear leader Chingsubam Akaba was cremated at place he had chosen – Leima Hill at Wakha which is near Nongmaijing Hill with traditional rites and customs so that our leader’s soul may rest in peace in the abode of the Almighty. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.216.3.233 (talk) 06:25, 8 May 2013 (UTC)

how to re submit the editing page

hi there:

I was finishing editing some points on the page http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia_talk:Articles_for_creation/nysunworks how can I re-submit for further review？

(Roger0206 (talk) 15:56, 8 May 2013 (UTC))