Wikipedia talk:Moderators/Proposal/2013

See also the proposal and the straw poll of this proposal.

Before commenting, please read the proposal thoroughly.

Implementation

Despite reading the page, I'm still confused about the technical aspects of this. Let's say your proposal succeeds: will developers have to create a new usergroup? Or will bureaucrats simply grant each right individually to a new moderator? Nyttend (talk) 16:40, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

My apologies for being unclear.

Awhile back, the devs added the functionality to more easily create new user-right groups. This would just be one of those. I can see if I can find the link, if you like. - jc37 16:49, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Only for admins?

So, is this only for admins? That is, is there an alternative to RfA (even if it's just specifying within an RfA that one's only applying for mod rights) in this proposal? Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:49, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

No. Not in this proposal. This proposal is specifically limited to editors who have already successfully gone through RfA. - jc37 16:56, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Okay. Still sounds like a good idea, but if it passes, it'd be interesting to expand it to be a requestable level of rights. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 16:58, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

(edit conflict) Something like "Requests for Moderatorship" ("RfM")? Or simply a request at Requests for permissions? The Anonymouse (talk | contribs) 17:06, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I believe the Foundation has said that anyone with access to viewdeleted must have undergone scrutiny equivalent to an RfA, as viewdeleted is potentially quite damaging (and it is), so RfPerm is right out. I'd imagine it would have to be just an RfA where you say "I'm only going for mod access", but that's a discussion for another day, I suppose. Writ Keeper ⚇♔ 17:17, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Speaking for myself

I have no inclination to ever submit myself to the RfA process because I have no interest whatsoever in obtaining or ever using blocking buttons, nor a desire to complete a 20 question open book exam on things that don't matter to me, and I have a hunch the nomination would likely be highly contentious. Not much point in all that for a bunch of unused buttons... There are, however, a few things in the administrative toolkit that would periodically be of use. The ability to execute article name changes when the software stops regular users is one thing — I still have no clue why those efforts crash every now and then... The ability to read deleted material is another, periodically bumping into recreation situations where it would be good to know what was deleted the last time around. That's just me and I don't know whether either of these things would be included in the Admin Lite package.

Speaking in terms of the general rather than the specific, I think blocking buttons should be granted to a small subset of administrators who deal with vandal-fighting as their main task, since these are the source of much fury and grief at WP. I have a hunch — and this is the main thing — that the approval process of Semi-Administrators or whatever you want to call them would be looser than the epic wars fought over new Administrators and that the so-called "Administrator shortage" would thus be solved in one fell swoop. Carrite (talk) 17:04, 8 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]