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Proposals, October 2012

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NEW PROPOSALS

Category:Mass media stubs by country

Propose this new parent-only category. Under Category:Mass media stubs, we have a handful of country-based media categories, and its very hit and miss. Propose also creating categories and templates as needed for the larger countries. The categories would collect up the various radio, tv, newspaper, and magazine stub categories and templates for each country.

"Mass media stubs by country"

Should this be under Category:Country Name media stubs or Category:Demonym media stubs? (example, Category:United States media stubs or Category:American media stubs). So far, all but one use the country name. Dawynn (talk) 12:48, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Support and I think it's better at the denonym. SeveroTC 13:22, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I like the idea of many more national media stubs, although a bit uncertain if some of the smaller/less covered countries in that list are ready for this (PNG, Djibouti, Suriname, and many others on that list will be lucky to have more that one or two mass media stubs). How did you compile the list? I notice it's not all countries, but it's quite a few of them.
For the names, the permcats use demonyms, as do most of the existing children in this tree, so I'd suggest going with that and renaming the existing few. I couldn't find any discussion where country names were decided on for the existing names.
Also note the Category:Broadcasting stubs that exist for 4 countries which largely overlap with these. Would the long term plan be for media to supercede and replace those, or to simply contain them? (For the big three it might be a usful way of subdividing a big media category, not so much with Mexico). --Qetuth (talk) 13:32, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
I started with List of countries by population, and pulled all countries with a population over 500,000. (Sorry, Cape Verde! The chosen number was completely arbitrary) I'd lean toward adding any existing Broadcast categories as sub-categories, but that can be decided on a case-by-case basis. Dawynn (talk) 16:24, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Romania newspaper stubs creation

I would like to create a category for the {{Romania-newspaper-stub}} template under the category Category:Romaina newspaper stub I searched and there are over 54+ articles that have that template. --Clarkcj12 (talk) 22:19, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

We are at 57 articles so create three more stubs and we get to 60 - the threshold for category creation :) SeveroTC 22:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
With Category:European newspaper stubs having that many, we couldeven do it without creating more stubs, IMO. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:26, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
Looks like other countries use the demonym. So, propose Category:Romanian newspaper stubs instead. Dawynn (talk) 12:50, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:New Zealand biologist stubs

I propose creating Category:New Zealand biologist stubs/{{NewZealand-biologist-stub}} (the category will also catch the existing {{NewZealand-botanist-stub}}) - a quick scan finds 64 stubs for this category. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 20:59, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy: Category:Moroccan building and structure stubs

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Combining all the templates brings us to 60+:

Dawynn (talk) 14:22, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Definitely. Check if there are any other appropriate stubs here, I see you forgot {{Morocco-airport-stub}}. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 21:12, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Speedy ASAP. SeveroTC 22:55, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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Subcats for Category:New Zealand people stubs

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I propose the following categories:

עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 07:00, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy all - I keep meaning to get back to the NZ bio stubs - great to see they aren't forgotten. --Qetuth (talk) 12:32, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Prehistoric lobe-finned fish stubs‎

I propose creating Category:Prehistoric lobe-finned fish stubs and {{paleo-lobefinned-fish-stub}} to catch these, removing them from the oversized Category:Prehistoric bony fish stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 06:07, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Support - indeed, the Category:Prehistoric bony fish stubs is very, very big. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 14:44, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Prehistoric cartilaginous fish stubs

Hi there. I have been going through the Category:Prehistoric fish stubs and there seem to be a lot of cartilaginous fish there, as this search shows. I think it is time to create the category:Prehistoric cartilaginous fish stubs. Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 20:42, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

Support, along with a double-upmerged (for now) {{paleo-shark-stub}} to catch these. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 05:53, 31 October 2012 (UTC)

Comic book film stubs

There are currently 168 stub articles about comic book related films. Not all of these articles are tagged, and there is no one stub tag that would cover all the articles. I propose the creation of a {{Comics-film-stub}}, which would populate either Category:Comics film stubs or Category:Comic book film stubs. The category would be a child of both Category:Film stubs by genre and Category:Comics stubs. Fortdj33 (talk) 19:39, 30 October 2012 (UTC)

It looks fine, but I'm a bit confused as to why there isn't a permcat for this? SeveroTC 22:34, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
I can start tagging the appropriate articles anytime, but what permcat should the articles be placed into? Fortdj33 (talk) 00:27, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
It's not a requirement (although it does help), I'm just surprised that there isn't a Category:Comic book films. SeveroTC 22:58, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
There is already a Category:Films based on comics, though I'm not sure that it is the appropriate permcat for this stub. I'm just debating whether the category associated with {{Comics-film-stub}} should be titled Category:Comics film stubs or Category:Comic book film stubs. The former fits better as a sub-category of Category:Comics stubs, while the latter fits better in Category:Film stubs by genre, but the new category should probably be in both... Fortdj33 (talk) 03:04, 1 November 2012 (UTC)
See Category:Superhero films, which is a subcat of action films which we have a stub cat for. How many of these 168 would be covered by this, and would it be better to follow the permcats in this case? --Qetuth (talk) 12:37, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
There is not a stub category that covers all the stub articles in Category:Superhero films. Yes, some of them overlap, but films like Batman Fights Dracula, Iron Man: Rise of Technovore and Stamp Day for Superman have three completely different film stub tags, when all of them could be covered by {{Comics-film-stub}}. The same stub tag could also be used for films based on comics that are not about superheroes, such as 26 Years, Gundala and Skippy. Fortdj33 (talk) 14:08, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, I was not saying there was a stub category for superhero films - The point I was trying to make is that Superhero films is part of the Category:Films by genre tree which we already split stubs by, and so might be a better scope for a new stub category than Comics, which is part of the Category:Films based on works tree which we never have used with stubs before. --Qetuth (talk) 13:44, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Indian Theatre Stubs

India has rich and current tradition of theatre related activities and structures. I am proposing the following:

The aim is to further expand these will state-specific stubs in the future. Thanks. -MK 16:05, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

{{India-theat-stub}} (as per {{theat-stub}} et al). Not sure on Category:India theatre stubs or Category:Indian theatre stubs, but either would require a minimum 60 articles. SeveroTC 16:39, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Support. Although current regional theatre stub cats are split 2 and 2 on the issue, I think Category:Indian theatre stubs would be better (when 60 found), to match Indian culture stubs, Indian film stubs, etc. --Qetuth (talk) 23:06, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Mosque templates

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Propose exploratory templates for any countries where the Muslim population is estimated at more than 20 million. See List of countries by Muslim population.

Dawynn (talk) 10:24, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Some of the numbers will be very small, but I don't see a problem with upmerged templates. However, there seem to be no articles as yet on mosques in Ethiopia. Looking at the country categories, {{Azerbaijan-mosque-stub}} and {{Singapore-mosque-stub}} may be worth adding. SeveroTC 11:25, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Support saves double-stubbing the whole category, and obvious room for future growth as coverage improves. --Qetuth (talk) 22:34, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
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Sarcopterygii

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Hi. I am going through the prehistoric bony fish stubs; at the same time, I look at the pages linked to the article Sarcopterygii, and there are over 400 of them. There must be a lot of stubs related to that. What about creating a Category:Sarcopterygii stubs? Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 01:01, 29 October 2012 (UTC)

Scanned the Category:Lobe-finned fish and found these results. 211 articles. I think it is worth a separate stub category. Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 15:41, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
Support – seems overdue to me. --Epipelagic (talk) 15:52, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Category created as Category:Lobe-finned fish stubs (by analogy with the existing Category:Ray-finned fish stubs. Corresponding stub templates available. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 16:13, 30 October 2012 (UTC)
Support, of course. I don't think you needed this discussion for that. It's not controversial, just neglected. -- OBSIDIAN†SOUL 00:02, 31 October 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Brass instrument stubs / {{brass-instrument-stub}}

We have full categories for String, Woodwind, Percussion, and Electronic. Propose starting with an exploratory template for Brass, category if sufficient articles found. Dawynn (talk) 10:35, 28 October 2012 (UTC)

Support I doubt it'll reach 60 right now, but template still useful. --Qetuth (talk) 14:18, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Beryciformes stubs

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I have been going through the Category:Fish stubs and the Category:Ray-finned fish stubs. I have seen a lot of Beryciformes. What about creating a Template:Beryciformes-stub and a Category:Beryciformes stubs? Greetings, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 22:02, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

Support template, category if sufficient articles found. I approve the category name, but please hold off on building the category until 60+ articles tagged. Dawynn (talk) 13:51, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
I guess the moment has come to create the Category:Beryciformes stubs, as the number of stubs is already over 60. Regards, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 00:40, 29 October 2012 (UTC)
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Category:Caucasian politician stubs

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Proposing this new parent-only category. Serves as a collection point for all of the remaining country-level categories and templates under Category:Asian politician stubs. Also fits well under existing category Category:Caucasian people stubs. Will serve as parent for:

Dawynn (talk) 10:26, 26 October 2012 (UTC)

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New crustacean category and templates

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Propose the following:

Dawynn (talk) 12:33, 24 October 2012 (UTC)

Oppose. Not needed, and too few articles to be worthwhile, in both cases. This is a waste of time and a waste of effort. Category:Crustacean stubs is not excessively large, having only 86 articles left. This proposal would thus replace one good stub category with three bad ones. The proposal has nothing to recommend it and should be dropped immediately. --Stemonitis (talk) 14:29, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
While I don't mind letting the Ostracods go, refusing the creation of a Maxillopoda category leaves an odd unparallel situation. Subclass Copepoda is then presented at the same level as classes Branchiopoda and Malacostraca. Adding a Maxillopoda category will provide a parallel set of three classes under Category:Crustacean stubs. Dawynn (talk) 15:05, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
The taxonomic rank of the subcategories is entirely irrelevant; that is not the purpose of the stub category hierarchy. Stub categories are supposed to divide stubs into groups of manageable size – say, 60–600. There is absolutely no need for different stub categories to be at the same taxonomic rank. Odd and unparallel it may be, but it is far more practical, and that is what this process should be aiming towards. --Stemonitis (talk) 15:10, 24 October 2012 (UTC)
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Assorted other new categories

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Having trouble grouping the rest of these. Asking for speedy approval of all. Please review:

Dawynn (talk) 13:12, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy except I would prefer to discuss:
  • Category:Korean politician stubs should not be speedy as Korea is not a nation. Also seems undersorted, the first few transclusions I looked at were almost all South Korean.
  • Some of the decade based categories being created leave parents or siblings drastically undersized. Is it truly helpful to split early AFL bios into 114 1870s, and 20 combined 1860s and 1850s? And the new Japanese singles category leaves the parent empty. --Qetuth (talk) 23:32, 26 October 2012 (UTC)
But Korea was a nation once. I would contend that this is perfectly acceptable to tag any stub articles pertaining to politicians who served in Korea prior to the current national split.
I'd suggest that some of the "Pre" categories have outlived their purpose, but will abide by the input of others in this matter. Do we keep and rename Category:Pre-1930 drama film stubs to Category:Pre-1910 drama film stubs (and Category:Pre-1920 comedy film stubs to Category:Pre-1910 comedy film stubs), or do away with them altogether, keeping the templates for upmerging to Category:Drama film stubs and Category:Comedy film stubs categories respectively. Do we keep Category:Australian rules biography, pre-1880 birth stubs and rename it appropriately, or just move the templates to the upper parent? (Category:Australian rules biography stubs) Dawynn (talk) 14:19, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Concerning the Category:Japanese single stubs:
  • A parent is not "empty" if it contains filled child categories.
  • I find it really difficult to believe that the Japanese have only been writing music for less than 13 years. Seems like a search for Japanese songs recorded prior to 2000 would be helpful to fill this parent category.
Dawynn (talk) 16:34, 27 October 2012 (UTC)
Having looked through the Korean politicians, I see that most of those stubbed are Joseon dynasty politicians, so you are right there. As for the pre-categories, I can see arguments both ways. Some pre-cat contents are the forerunners/pioneers, and hence may be notable for different reasons and of interest to different editors. I would certainly argue against Category:Pre-2000 Japanese singles but not the film or AFL ones. No problem with creating any of these after further examination, but I think rename/upmerge of the aftermath should be taken case by case. --Qetuth (talk) 03:01, 28 October 2012 (UTC)
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Assorted rail transport categories

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Speedy proposal for these rail-related categories:

Dawynn (talk) 13:02, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Assorted geography categories

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Speedy proposal for the following geographical categories:

Dawynn (talk) 12:58, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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Assorted zoology categories

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Speedy proposal for these animal categories:

Dawynn (talk) 12:52, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

I have recently added these templates to more articles, so the minimum has been (nearly) reached to justify the creation of three more categories. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 19:38, 23 October 2012 (UTC)
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West Virginia County categories

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Speedy proposals for the following counties:

Dawynn (talk) 12:46, 23 October 2012 (UTC)

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British act of parliament stubs

Both Category:United Kingdom law stubs and Category:Statute stubs are oversized. It looks like there are around 450 articles in their intersection. Propose {{UK-statute-stub}} and Category:United Kingdom Acts of the Parliament stubs to hold these. Not sure if there is a better category name though. The permcat is at Category:Acts of the Parliament of the United Kingdom, whereas the only existing sibling is at Category:United States federal legislation stubs. --Qetuth (talk) 17:17, 19 October 2012 (UTC)

In general, support. The problem in the naming comes from the permcats reflecting the legal status of the parliament - that of England, Great Britain, the UK and also of Northern Ireland and the two incarnations of the parliament in Scotland. Will the new types cover all the parliaments? Or are they restricted to the parliament from 1801 onwards? If the former, perhaps Category:United Kingdom statute stubs: if the later, perhaps Category:Acts of the Parliament of the United Kingdom stubs. SeveroTC 12:46, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
I think it would be better to make the scope broad to start with, and maybe there will be subcats later, so Category:United Kingdom statute stubs. --Qetuth (talk) 14:23, 1 November 2012 (UTC)

Category:Argentiniformes stubs

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I have been going through the Category:Fish stubs and the Category:Ray-finned fish stubs. I have seen a lot of Argentiniformes. What about creating a Template:Argentiniformes-stub and a Category:Argentiniformes stubs? Greetings, --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 12:28, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Support - 59 stubs is just barely too small - I think that given the size of Category:Ray-finned fish stubs, we can IAR and create it. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 14:27, 18 October 2012 (UTC)
Support --Qetuth (talk) 12:32, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Category and stub created. --Fabio Descalzi, aka Fadesga (talk) 14:37, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
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Category:African railway station stubs

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We're up to 51 transclusions already of its stub tag, {{Africa-railstation-stub}}. Even if I don't end up finding 9 more (and I probably will), this template feeds into the oversized Category:African building and structure stubs. עוד מישהו Od Mishehu 12:03, 18 October 2012 (UTC)

Support - 57 now by the look, and I think this one is useful enough for some leeway. --Qetuth (talk) 12:31, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
Support and any country level templates to upmerge that you see fit when sorting. SeveroTC 12:49, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
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Alkene

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Propose creation of Category:Alkene stubs and {{Alkene-stub}}. Past 60 possible candidates, parent(s) oversized. Plasmic Physics (talk) 23:02, 17 October 2012 (UTC)

Support --Qetuth (talk) 12:28, 22 October 2012 (UTC)
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Asian football club speedies

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Propose speedy creation of Category:Indian football club stubs and Category:Japanese football club stubs, both are past 60 transclusions, and parent is oversized. --Qetuth (talk) 06:43, 11 October 2012 (UTC)

Speedy. SeveroTC 16:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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Speedy Indian building and structure stubs

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--Qetuth (talk) 14:21, 5 October 2012 (UTC)
Speedy. SeveroTC 16:20, 17 October 2012 (UTC)
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