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Subpages. In a nutshell, my view on flags and/or triagrammes is that  COD is about as informative as  HADDOCK.

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Your TFL review

Hi WFC. Just wanted to tell you that I responded to your review of Super Bowl Most Valuable Player Award at WP:TFLS. Giants2008 (Talk) 20:46, 3 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

George Orwell bibliography

This is scheduled to run at TFL next Monday but I've had some concerns raised on its suitability given several unreferenced sections. If you get a chance, could you take a look at it for me? Cheers. The Rambling Man (talk) 07:47, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Sourcing for George Orwell bibliography

Please assist I was directed here by User:HonorTheKing and User:The Rambling Man regarding sourcing issues on this featured list which is due to appear on the Main Page in a few days. Please tell me what you think is deficient on that article's talk page and I will amend it as necessary. Note: this notice is being placed on multiple talk pages at once. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 13:12, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Discussion at WP:Football

Hi - out of courtesy, I should inform you that your name has been mentioned at this discussion. Best wishes. -- Daemonic Kangaroo (talk) 05:50, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I appreciate the notification. Regards, —WFC— 06:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Favour at TFL

Hey dude, if you get the time, could you look at TFL and in particular Timeline of prehistoric Scotland? A lot of work's been done on it but it seems to have stagnated. I'd really appreciate it if we could get another re-review of it, especially with all this talk of Scottish devolution...! Also List of English words containing Q not followed by U if you have time....! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

No sweat. —WFC— 18:47, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
And can I get a refund on Tamas please? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:51, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We already gave you £3.25million's worth. —WFC— 18:52, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Sadly, he ain't done nuffin. Ouch. Apparently he used to be good...! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:53, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
So did his manager. —WFC— 18:55, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Will look at the QU one right now, but I don't think I can be any use on Timeline of prehistoric Scotland sourcing debate. —WFC— 04:43, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Football squad

I understand you have strong feelings re this but I am entitled to my opinion. So please dont respond saying things like policy dictates that I can't reply to this the veracity it deserves. I very much do not understand why you can't just reply normally rather than saying things like that. As I said at the main page I am entitled to my opinion and as chris said the other one clearly as per previous discussion meets the policy's better. Edinburgh Wanderer 11:09, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I pointed out that I'm angry, and made a point of moving swiftly on to the substance. I make no apologies for disliking your comment, but am sorry if this wasn't taken in the spirit intended. —WFC— 21:33, 13 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I would like to apologise to you as well I'm clearly getting wound up about it partially because I feel its been too long a time to push this forward now and secondly I just am not convinced that all mobile devices and readers have the issue. The problem with apple devices is real if you could see the problems im having editing the main page due to its length it's unbelievable and I clearly see now it does better meet the mos for flags Anyway apart from my apology which I hope you accept I would like to know what your thoughts would be on expanding the trial to a wider range of articles getting further comments and reviewing including seeing if there is a way of removing the column for squad numbers when it dosent exist. I would be happy to the leg work in changing the articles. Edinburgh Wanderer 00:08, 14 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]
Water under the bridge. I think a trial would need to be on a set of high-trafficked articles, possibly a set of clubs from an English and/or a Scottish League, and that the feedback from those should be used to further develop the template before a possible rollout. It's worth pointing out that even if the broad format is accepted, there are still some outstanding niggles, hence the differences between the headers of the Watford, Luton and Seattle Sounders squads. —WFC— 00:31, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm sure we could iron the problems out with a trial and high traffic articles I'm not good with english ones so unsure about high traffic ones there in Scotland it would be the likes of rangers Celtic or hearts or Hibs but you would need to drop down to sfl1 to 3 for no squad numbers and the traffic there will be far lower. To me the key after a trial would be quick implementation purely because the longer you wait it becomes stale casing problems to develop like this. If the consensus is there then we should go for itEdinburgh Wanderer 00:37, 14 January 2012 (UTC).[reply]
I do understand however if I had sight issues it would be far worse than the problems I have so really it's not fair to them to be arguing a point that is far less significant.Edinburgh Wanderer 00:30, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I've created a new section clearly setting out why i feel a trial is needed and setting out that i can set it up. not on grounds of tech issues its going to move forward this template no matter what so what I'm proposing is a trial of a few versions of that template to gain opinion on what option is the best this i feel would solve questions listed such as no squad numbers, headers and flag options. Im aware it probably won't happen due to it being me thats proposing this but if this is to be rolled out then we need to have clear opinion. I think its nearly there if we do this. the split is an issue but were never going to get past that so maybe there is another option without a split but who knows.Edinburgh Wanderer 13:56, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
technical question on page 2011–12 Heart of Midlothian F.C. season i have aligned two wiki tables side by side does this cause problems for screen readers leaving mobile devices aside for now. The reason i ask is would it be possible to align two templates side by side because if there isn't a break in the template I'm not sure if this still causes the problem. Edinburgh Wanderer 14:44, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
On technical grounds Chris is probably your best bet. He can be a little difficult to work with until you understand how he works, but he's knowledgeable and can be trusted not to make issues up. I'll voice my opinion on a trial at the section you've created. Regards, —WFC— 20:38, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
to be honest I don't want to post on his talk page again he dosent take to kindly to me which is fair enough because I've wound him up. Anyway thanks I'll maybe post the question on the main page and hope someone replys. It's just If that dosent cause the problem as technically the template is intact then that's may be a way of splitting it. It may look awfull anyway but it was just something that I thought of. But as I say it may be the case that that technique causes the issue anyway. Edinburgh Wanderer 21:07, 14 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Two queries i gave using the template a go on the Heart of Midlothian F.C. page see [1] its rather long to due to hearts ridiculous squad size but i have two queries how would i change the background text in the header to another colour and for instance in the loan section how do i display on loan to a team like in the old template. I tried it and couldn't get it to work.Edinburgh Wanderer 22:03, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
At the moment the colour isn't part of the template (in the Watford article I've done it manually in the Wikitable). Chris and I have exchanged views about adding colour compatibility at Template talk:Football squad player2#Heading colour. I have already coded support for colours at User:WFCforLife/Test, but because it's controversial, I can't add it to the main template unless or until there is clear consensus. —WFC— 22:07, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I used the Watford version but the standard text is black but obviously maroon and black are hard to read so would change that to white. If I'm honest with you the colour coding is one of the things i like it gives it a bit of identity. The length on the hearts page is a bit of a issue but most squads aren't as big as that.Edinburgh Wanderer 22:11, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Should be fixed now. —WFC— 22:13, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Looks really good.Edinburgh Wanderer 22:18, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It all kind of kicked off a bit again at the main page just as i thought it had died down. It was brought up the championship sides hadn't been notified so ive done that using the same one you used. Edinburgh Wanderer 22:45, 24 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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2011 season

Hey, I just took a shot at the prose for a new section covering the 2011 season. All facts should be properly referenced. When you get a moment, please review it and propose any changes you think need to be made before it's added to the article. Thanks for your help. --SkotyWATC 00:56, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Wikitable markup

I'm afraid I'm not aware of any way to change the colour of sort keys. I'm not sure if this anywhere where you can ask, but I do have one suggestion. Regarding the Newcastle problem it would probably be best to have the background in white, as that would solve the problem. NapHit (talk) 17:57, 15 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

just a quick question, as I've noticed it now. When sorting the position column it sorts alphabetically, would it be better to sort it by position on the field? As is done here, or is that not feasible with these templates? btw great job with the templates they look great! NapHit (talk) 13:58, 17 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

RfA

Many thanks for that, good to know that my improvement has not gone un-noticed. I'll consider my answer carefully but won't give you one now, I think it would be best to answer it on the RfA when it is finally sorted, for wider eyes. Thanks again, GiantSnowman 09:17, 16 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

2012 Wikipedia blackout

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Splitting English Wikipedia blackout

United States Internet blackout was the most generic title I could think of at the time, but I'd prefer that we keep a suggestion—any suggestion—in the template to clarify that a more general (as opposed to specific) article is needed.   — C M B J   09:20, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

My main objection was to a red link being posted on the article page, which can result in immediate creation rather than discussion. I hope my last few edits have struck a reasonable compromise? —WFC— 09:28, 19 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

A barnstar for you!

The Editor's Barnstar
Great job with the idea for starting the article English Wikipedia blackout, glad to see it easily survived the AFD. ;) — Cirt (talk) 18:10, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! —WFC— 18:46, 20 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Welcome to the 2012 WikiCup

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Westminster dogs/Apprentice switcheroo

Could you change the Wikipedia:Today's featured list/February 2012 listings around if that's the best of ordering these lists? Also worth checking their "main page feature date" on the talk page is correct as well... Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 18:59, 23 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Colors in football squad table headers

FYI, I went ahead and added support to the templates for this since it was becoming a point of contention with editors who don't read the talk page. It was a good idea and I hope it sticks. More details in this discussion. Thanks for your unending hard work and creative ideas around here. --SkotyWATC 05:19, 30 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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RFA

Many thanks for your kind words! Regards, GiantSnowman 16:59, 5 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Hi WFC, I found the words you left on GS's talk page really nice and wonderful. Thought I'll leave a note. Wifione Message 14:12, 6 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Favour

Hey WFC, hope you're well. Can you do me a favour in the next week or so, cast your eyes over 1st Academy Awards which is going to feature on the main page the day after this year's Oscars (in a couple of weeks time). I've had a quick look, as has Giants (if I remember correctly), but a third pair of eyes would be much appreciated. Cheers! The Rambling Man (talk) 10:01, 14 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Had a quick look and it seems in good shape (other than the TfD template on the infobox). By the way, it might be worth putting the posthumous number one singles list on standby. There hasn't been one for five years, and this week seems as likely a time as any. —WFC— 20:30, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wait a sec, ref 1 of the Academy Awards list isn't working? It's quite an important one too. —WFC— 21:51, 15 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thanks. I thought that link might disappear up its own.... so we'll need to replace it with a general one. As for posthumous number ones, good call, will look into that right now. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:29, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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List of culinary nuts

Thank you again for the kind comments on the FLC for List of culinary nuts. I'm delighted that you're inspired to get back to producing content! I've added an inline citation for the comment on soy bean usage. Could you take a look and see if I've done it properly? Thanks! (Replying here is fine.) Waitak (talk) 16:23, 19 February 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Nomination for deletion of Template:CONMEBOL TOC

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TFL vision

Hey WFC, even though I shouldn't be talking to you after this weekend's disastrous capitulation, I just thought I'd let you know I hadn't forgotten about your vision over at TFL. I've been away and busy trying to catch up, but will do so at WT:TFL shortly. All the best, The Rambling Man (talk) 10:07, 27 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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RE: RfC at Wikipedia talk:User page

Waiting...., that wasn;'t a supervote, that was me stating that we already have a policy for this. A supervote would have been keep it or dump it, at least as far as I know. (Apreciate the heads up ! ) ‑KoshVorlon| Angeli i demoni kruzhili nado mnoj... - 17:11, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]


I'm not ignoring, it would be kind of like if someone started an RFC about including rumours about a living person in their article. We already have a policy (policies are already created by consensus) that states otherwise.

The RFC would be superfulus, as we policy already states we can't and it can't be over-ridden by an RFC, only changing the policy would change it. This RFC is the same thing. We already have a policy against advetising which includes user page. The RFC is asking what the the policy already has forbidden. It too is superfulus. Do you follow ? ‑KoshVorlon| Angeli i demoni kruzhili nado mnoj... - 17:31, 2 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hornet GAN

Dude, left some comments at the talkpage. Feel free to do as you please with them. I haven't done much GAN reviewing so some of what I've said may be over the top, but hope some of it helps. Best to you, as always. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:53, 3 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for those, they were brilliant. —WFC— 07:41, 4 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, GA never looked so good! Well done. The Rambling Man (talk) 16:52, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I'm delighted to have finally ticked it off of my to-do list. Most GAs are a relatively quick burst of hard work, but improving that article was a marathon. —WFC— 17:24, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I remember doing the Ipswich one (at FAC) and that took lot of effort from not-just-me.... Probably would never pass FAC now... The Rambling Man (talk) 17:30, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Thankfully I don't have all of the sources on hand at the moment, so I won't be tempted to go for an FA run just yet. I think I've got a few other loose ends I'd like to tie up first in any case, not least getting getting the glossary done and dusted. —WFC— 17:40, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, I saw you making edits there, do you have a master plan for it? The Rambling Man (talk) 17:41, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Seems relatively straightforward really: get through ball sourced (which I have repeatedly tried and failed to do), find a better lead image, sample the references to ensure that the sourcing isn't too tangental, get a bit of general feedback at WT:FOOTY, work out who should go on the FLC nom, and then go for it. —WFC— 17:48, 9 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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ITN

Hi, do you think it is better to move the discussion over at the village pump for Topical Article over to WT:ITN? I don't feel like it will garner much attention if it remained at village pump. Colipon+(Talk) 02:14, 17 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

PC RfC

Hi, WFC. I appreciate many of the comments you've made on the talk page. You've obviously given considerable thought to the various nuances that would accompany implementing PC, and I'm sure that if it's implemented you'll be one of the editors helping to make it work as well as it can. I have to say that I'm a little taken aback at how certain you seem that it will be implemented, though. Aside from the many cogent and compelling arguments made in favor of Option 1, its numbers of endorsers relative to those of Option 2 have been steadily creeping upward and now constitute more than one-third of the RfC's participants. In major RfCs such as this one, my experience has been that the numbers do tend to play some role in deciding how to close, and a >1/3 vote has been a deal-breaker in the past. I guess we'll just have to wait and see. Rivertorch (talk) 18:23, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I guess I'm resigned to the idea that ultimately this close will have a democratic element, even though I don't like it. At least one of the closing admins has admitted that the numbers will be a big factor. Therefore my focus is on trying to ensure that it becomes no more than a democratic element – that whilst acknowledging the support for position 2 is going to influence the decision, they understand in no uncertain terms that to simply turn PC on and hope for the best would be reckless, and a decision that even PC's supporters would go on to regret. I'm also trying to help the closers, by suggesting that a way of closing in favour of position two whilst acknowledging the serious concerns which need to be dealt with would be to set a hard "turn-on" date in future. With a hard turn-on date, they will have done everything within their power to facilitate further discussion without dictating it, and if discussion stonewalls their judgement of the outcome of the RfC would still be respected and implemented. —WFC— 18:34, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. What I'm concerned about is that if everyone seems to be agreeing that a turn-on resulting directly from this RfC is a foregone conclusion, the closers may feel extra pressure not to close as "no consensus/keep status quo". Rivertorch (talk) 20:29, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that is a risk. But if there is pressure to make a black-and-white, "consensus for option 2" or "no consensus" close, it certainly isn't coming from me. I've been consistently pushing them to take points which haven't been addressed very seriously, and to consider the possibility that if PC fails again, there might not be a third time. —WFC— 20:49, 21 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Hi there. I mentioned you in this discussion, so I thought it would be polite of me to let you know. Mentoz86 (talk) 10:05, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Category:UEFA football clubs 2012–13 season

I honestly don't mind the split simply because this category could possibly have up to almost 300 pages if this is fully implemented. The above category being discussed is suppose to be the same as categories like Category:German football clubs 2012–13 season, Category:Austrian football clubs 2012–13 season, Category:English football clubs 2012–13 season and Category:Scottish football clubs 2012–13 season where you are grouping club seasons that have similarities in them. Just like there is a common country involved with other categories I just mentioned, there is a competition-based relation between the articles that are currently listed in the above category. Kingjeff (talk) 21:28, 22 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

List of Blue Peter presenters

Hi WFC,

You mentioned at TFL that you were interested in rewriting the "Curse" section of List of Blue Peter presenters. Are you still interested in doing that? The blurb has been taken off the suggestions list until the issues have been resolved, but I'd like to see the list promoted soon so that it will be ready whenever a new presenter is instituted.

Neelix (talk) 19:59, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I've had a go, although it could probably do with a copyedit. —WFC— 23:09, 29 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Hi WFC,
Thanks for the rewrite! I have done a copyedit and have resubmitted the blurb at TFL.
Neelix (talk) 01:19, 31 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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English Argentine article risks becoming a “British Argentine” article

The English Argentine article risks becoming a “British Argentine” article since some aspects are also relevant to Scottish Argentines, Welsh Argentines and (Northern) Irish Argentines.

The fine line by distinguishing between “English” and “British” is often diluted and is erroneously and interchangeably used around the world, and alas is done in this article as well.

The sections about World War 2 and the Falklands War were also relevant to the other nationalities originating from the United Kingdom, and not just English Argentines.

I suggest creating a “British Argentine” article with subjects that are relevant to all these nationalities of the United Kingdom who have immigrated to Argentina. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.224.148.111 (talk) 18:43, 20 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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Be Warned - Rangers FC - an attempt to push through a controversial 'same club' approach

Hello. You have contributed to the Newco Rangers article so I thought yuou should be made aware that an attempt is being made to undermine this article by pushing through a 'same club' approach despite many of us believing this is heavily biased and very selective use of the sources. You may wish to follow what is proposed at the Talk:Rangers F.C/Sandbox. Spiritofstgeorge (talk) 12:48, 1 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the Barnet FC edit

As you say, it was unsubstantiated gibberish. As a life-long supporter of Barnet, I also watch the page.

The last time we played Watford, in the FA Cup, you had 2 idiots who tried to start trouble in the Barnet end, but we just ignored them and a steward threw them out. UKPolice 23:24, 2 August 2012 (UTC) — Preceding unsigned comment added by UKPolice (talk • contribs)

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TFL

Hey WFC, looking forward to tomorrow night? I'm not. But onto more important things.... last Monday's TFA scored about 6k views fewer than our TFL. We must be doing something right. I know I've said it before, but I really think we'd be capable of two days a week. Like a Monday and a Thursday? I know you had some good ideas about how best to run TFL effectively, and I'm sorry I didn't have the time (at that time) to get you proper feedback. Given where we are now, what do you think? The Rambling Man (talk) 18:51, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Quality, quantity and interest wise I agree, TFL is ready for a second day. Even ignoring the big-hitters – which for me is anything over 10,000 page views – the sort of interest less prominent lists are getting has increased substantially. I would have a weak preference for Friday over Thursday because that would give us better coverage of weekends, but I don't think there's much in it.

I'm actually having second thoughts about changing things around too much. While I'm definitely right about TFLS running at a similar speed to continental drift, it does result in lists getting improved at a faster rate that we are posting them onto the main page. Besides, given the current drama surrounding TFA, I think this would be a risky time to change the way we do things too much. The featured lists processes moving slowly, while of course not something to celebrate, probably prevents the sorts of problems editors at TFA/FAC are facing.

As for your original question, no I'm not. Even if we do win, and we certainly have a potential match winner or two, I fear that the headlines will be about Watford fans giving a player stick that he didn't deserve. —WFC— 19:31, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Cool, more about TFL in days to come then, I think. I'm genuinely still staggered how smoothly (after the initial RFC at main page) we integrated to the big time. As for tomorrow, apparently the Hornets are now the bogey team; the Tractor Boys' opening game was full of boo-boys trying once again to get Steve Kean sacked, despite only being ten minutes into the season. Which player is in the firing line, if you don't mind me asking? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:36, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
An Ipswich player. One who probably kept us up in his first full season. —WFC— 19:37, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Gotcha. Odd decision by Zola et al to let him go for biscuits, but hey, he's a lifelong Tractor Boy. I remember we did it for Neil Alexander, he just wanted to "go home" and left a Championship club and walked into Champions League football. Odd times... The Rambling Man (talk) 19:42, 20 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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death ITN rfc

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missing player

Seeing that you are main person behind awesome Watford FC related articles, I want to give you heads up, that List of players with less than 50 appearances for the club might still be missing some players. For example, I noticed that full Latvian international Aleksandrs Cauņa is missing from the list, still remember him scoring a goal against my beloved Saints, grrr. Cheers. Utinsh (talk) 11:02, 26 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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