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NPguy

Non-Proliferation Guy has all kinds of problems with the facts. Here are the original facts that he unreasonably keeps cutting out:

The situation in the United States is, as ever, frightening:

Right now the polling shows: 1. That most Americans support a strike on Iran (presumably to prevent it from getting a nuclear weapon) and 2. That most Americans think Iran already has a nuclear weapon. Which is to say, most Americans don't know what they're talking about.[1]


Peter Beinart's facts were powerfully and amply supplemented by the observations of Charles Simic in a blog post today for The New York Review of Books:

"Widespread ignorance bordering on idiocy is our new national goal. It's no use pretending otherwise and telling us, as Thomas Friedman did in the Times a few days ago, that educated people are the nation’s most valuable resources. Sure, they are, but do we still want them? It doesn't look to me as if we do. The ideal citizen of a politically corrupt state, such as the one we now have, is a gullible dolt unable to tell truth from bullshit. . . . It took years of indifference and stupidity to make us as ignorant as we are today.

~ Iloveandrea (talk) 23:33, 20 March 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned references in Views on the nuclear program of Iran

I check pages listed in Category:Pages with incorrect ref formatting to try to fix reference errors. One of the things I do is look for content for orphaned references in wikilinked articles. I have found content for some of Views on the nuclear program of Iran's orphans, the problem is that I found more than one version. I can't determine which (if any) is correct for this article, so I am asking for a sentient editor to look it over and copy the correct ref content into this article.

Reference named "nti.org":

  • From Iran and weapons of mass destruction: "HEU as weapons material – a technical background" (PDF). Retrieved 2009-09-20.
  • From Dolphin class submarine: http://www.nti.org/db/submarines/israel/
  • From Nuclear program of Iran: "HEU as weapons material – a technical background" (PDF). Retrieved 20 September 2009.[dead link]

I apologize if any of the above are effectively identical; I am just a simple computer program, so I can't determine whether minor differences are significant or not. AnomieBOT⚡ 23:14, 8 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

It's the first one. I fixed the link. NPguy (talk) 01:32, 11 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Current views on the 2007 NIE

Recent edits have suggested that the U.S. government view now discounts the conclusions of the 2007 NIE, which said Iran ended its nuclear weapons program in 2003. The wording of the NIE has been criticized (with some justification) as misleading, but that's not what is at issue here. One edit cites Defense Secretary Panetta in 2009 saying that Iran is seeking a "nuclear weapons capability" and implying that this is inconsistent with the NIE. In fact, "nuclear weapons capability" is usually used in this context to refer to the capability to produce high-enriched uranium, a key ingredient in a nuclear weapon. Iran has persisted in developing its enrichment capabilities, as the 2007 NIE made clear. Saying Iran is pursuing a nuclear weapons capability in no way contradicts the NIE.

There does seem to be one change in the U.S. intelligence assessment, which is reflected in the IAEA's November 2011 report on the possible military dimensions to Iran's nuclear program. According to this report, some of Iran's weapons-related R&D continued after the weapons design program was disbanded. Let's agree on a set of edits that make these points clear. NPguy (talk) 02:33, 15 August 2012 (UTC)[reply]

  1. ^ Peter Beinart (23 February 2012). "Best Question From CNN Debate: Why Not Declare War on Iran?". The Daily Beast. Retrieved 12 March 2012.
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