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Closing discussion, the result was keep. DarthBotto_talk•cont 18:39, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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0x10c → 0x10 ͨ – It's pretty straightforward; the proper name for the game is 0x10 ͨ, which was another redirect page I created soon after the game was announced. I believe we can move this without incident. DarthBotto_talk•cont 01:15, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose - Invalid proposal Please see Wikipedia:TITLE#Special_characters. What is this little square ͨ supposed to be? Is it a raised "C"? It doesn't display on Firefox or I.E. In ictu oculi (talk) 03:10, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Well, you could try fixing Firefox, maybe? Or, you could have the title of this page be different than the real title of the game... DarthBotto_talk•cont 03:51, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Oppose MOS:TM And it requires fonts which obviously not everyone is using considering what In ictu oculi said. You can do it with a DISPLAYTITLE function that uses superscript instead of a special font character, since it is a superscript and not a different character in reality. 70.49.124.147 (talk) 05:04, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Trademark non-stylization convention -- MOS:TM. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 08:30, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Withdrawn - I was anticipating having the page be designated with a ^c. However, the opposition is sound with its argument. DarthBotto_talk•cont 18:39, 21 April 2012 (UTC)[reply]

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"Official" Forum and wiki

There has apparently been a dispute over the "official" status of a forum and wiki for this game. As for the forum link, its status as "official" is more or less due to the fact that on the official website it is the only forum which is linked by Markus "Notch" Persson. I think that alone gives "official" status as much as any of them, and at least gives reason list this particular website as opposed to any other 0x10^c forum. If there are multiple forums listed on the official site in the future, we can decide to include or exclude those sites and debate them here. As a relevant source of information about the game, it certainly is a link that I believe should be listed. Since Notch hasn't explicitly called it his "official" forum, it may be inappropriate to call it "official" but listing it here on Wikipedia still may be justified. That is why I'm raising the issue here on this talk page.

As for the wiki at ( http://0x10cwiki.com ), I would like to include the site previously listed as it seems to be the site agreed upon by the "community". There have been several competing wiki sites, but a couple of them have agreed to cooperate rather than compete and have settled upon a common site to work on together. There is a separate site that has been developed by the Curse network that is quite anemic in terms of the content, but is being linked to by the "official" Minecraft Wiki (also run by Curse). There is sufficient information on this wiki to justify a link, but due to the fact that the game is still quite new and in the interest of being "neutral" in terms of picking which site will become "official", I'm game to wait and see how everything will fall out in the long run.

With 600+ pages and 100+ users actively participating with the development of the wiki, it isn't a one-man band and it definitely has relevant information about the game. I won't even get into the firehose of information that Notch is giving out in terms of data being used to create content on that wiki. Sure, the standards for the quality of the information may be much weaker than here on Wikipedia and viewed by some as fancruft, but that is also why these wikis are developed in the first place. As a relevant website for information about the game, I don't think links to wikis should be automatically excluded. Like I said, this doesn't need to be added right away as the game is still under development and relatively new even in terms of player communities that have developed around the game. --Robert Horning (talk) 12:35, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

"Linked to" does not imply "offical" and such label, like any content, requires reliable sources to back it up. Mojang or Persson have nothing to do with the sites, therefore even if you list them, they should not have the "official" label. I don't have any strong feelings whether we should list the forum or wiki, but I do question how useful they are for a game that's not even in alpha yet. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 17:52, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The Curse sites for Minecraft are considered "official" so far as the Mojang staff uses them and uses the sites for interacting with the player community. That seems to be the pattern which Mojang is using, where they take an existing website run by fans and work with them. At the moment the Curse Minecraft Wiki is also the location where bug reports are passed between the player community and the Mojang development staff. Does that make those sites "official"? I would think so. They aren't necessarily "owned" by Mojang, but they clearly have precedence over other similar websites like Planet Minecraft (which is clearly not "official" by any stretch of the imagination). How that applies to stuff for 0x10^c as a game is certainly something that is not a settled question yet.

As for a game that "not even in alpha yet", Notch has released "official emulators" for the DCPU-16 (such as this one: http://dcpu.com/highnerd/rc_1/) on top of the dozen or so other emulators written by the player community. There are also another five documents (that I put into the article) released by Notch that go further into the design specs for emulator developers on top of some of the fans who have decompiled the source code for the above mentioned "official emulator" and have dug out some details. On top of that there is also a "leaked version" of the game (that can also be obtained on this link: http://www.0x10cforum.com/forum/m/4932880/viewthread/2861458) which allows you to look around one of the test rooms that Notch has been developing with a working DCPU-16 emulator. Notch has also done a few "livestream" sessions where he has shown off some of the source code for the game and demonstrated some of the newer features he has added with a walk through of the game while it was under development (and showing him tweaking the code during the middle of the walkthrough). There really is a firehose of information about the game considering it really isn't released yet.

As a side note, I'd love to put the link to that DCPU emulator (the RC1 version) into the article somehow, but I just don't know where to put it. Links to most of the peripheral specs are on that page (also noting that dcpu.com is owned by Mojang and is an official alias for 0x10c.com). Any suggestions for that are welcome. --Robert Horning (talk) 21:06, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Regardless, you need to provide a reliable reference that calls the sites "official". In contrast, the forum is listed as "community resources" on game's website. Mojang employees using the forum doesn't make it official, otherwise any website related to the game where they said something would become official. — HELLKNOWZ ▎TALK 08:07, 7 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I don't believe the wiki is official, but it's still worth linking. Seeing as it has already a large number of pages for a Pre-Alpha game. While the fourms aren't stated as official, it's heavily implied. As it's the linked forums on the official page for the game, it's highly likely that it is at least moderated by Mojang staff or by Persson himself. Perhaps a compromise of just listing them and leaving out the "official" label would solve this? - CharmlessCoin (talk) 19:53, 6 May 2012 (UTC)[reply]