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Binksternet and JAL78 have agreed that a copyright notice does not belong in a caption. Their content dispute is beyond the scope of this forum. —teb728 t c 06:24, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

Will somebody please have a look at this. I added a picture to an article, but it was removed by the user Binksternet with the reason, that "No copyrighted images allowed, no images with requirement for copyright notice"[1] Is this true? I think Binksternet has misunderstood something. Many images on Wikipedia are not in the public domain, but are copyrighted and can be used under a license. If one think that copyright means "do never use this image" then one have misunderstood the situation. Does the English Wikipedia have a policy saying something like "No copyrighted images allowed, no images with requirement for copyright notice"??? --JAL78 (talk) 03:19, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

We do allow copyright images, but the case here is that being a picture of a real-world object that is not a piece of artist work, we can reasonably expect a free replacement can be taken particularly since its used around the world, per WP:NFCC#1. --MASEM (t) 03:26, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
I suspect he misused "copyrighted" to mean "non-free". Free licensed image are acceptable equally with PD. (Some of the helpers on this forum make the same mistake.) —teb728 t c 03:31, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Oh, I see the root of the misunderstanding: You added a photo with a copyright notice in the caption. We put copyright notices on file description pages not in captions. (See WP:CREDITS.) The other user removed the whole image, not just the copyright notice. —teb728 t c 04:10, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
The guideline at WP:CREDITS says that no copyright notice should be placed in the article. The larger issue with the image in question is that it is part of a promotional campaign by JAL78 to replace Bösendorfer, Bechstein and other competitor piano images with an image of a Steinway & Sons piano. ([2][3][4][5][6][7][8][9][10][11][12][13][14]) I reverted all of the images thus placed because of conflict of interest issues. Binksternet (talk) 05:05, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
– Yes, the credit does not necessarily need to be on the article page itself – that cannot be required by the copyright holder; having it on the image page is enough by most Wikipedia projects' standards. Binksternet said that copyrighted images are not allowed on Wikipedia, which is false. Binksternet deleted the image – not only the optional byline – and he wrote that "No copyrighted images allowed, no images with requirement for copyright notice".
– Binksternet's accuse of my edits being a "... part of a promotional campaign..." is just an attempt of removing the focus from the case about a misguided Binksternet deleting pictures, because he doesn't understand what "copyright" and "license" mean. And yes, I removed some bad pictures, including pictures of Steinway(!) pianos, and replaced them with this extremely good picture. There is nothing wrong or suspicious about that – it's actually pretty normal to replace pictures when better pictures become available; that is a part of making Wikipedia better, which is an ongoing process. And by the way, be aware that other editors revert Binksternet's edits.example here --JAL78 (talk) 05:59, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
You both need to take your edit war to the talk pages of the articles in question and let uninvolved editors decide which (if any) photos to keep. If you don't, you are likely to be blocked for disruption. With the subject edit of the present section, however, I fail to see why Binksternet objects to a photo of a Steinway D-274 on Steinway D-274. —teb728 t c 06:09, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
The discussion above is closed. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page. No further edits should be made to this discussion.

Non-free book cover or public domain?

Regarding a DASHBot notice on my talkpage, as it removed an image from a sandbox article. I took this photo of a set of books published in 1959, but I listed the photo under {{Non-free book cover}} just to be safe. Given that these are new editions, and that the original publication of the books were back in 1908, and are now public domain, does this 1959 edition qualify for any copyright? Before anyone asks, why don't I just use a photo of the 1908 version: because I don't have the 1908 version to hand, and doubt I could afford them, they will be a rare collector's item now, and not bought to sit and flick through for Wiki. That aside, anyone with clearer understanding of book cover copyright law, in relation to new editions, a confirmation of where I stand would be appreciated: public domain or non-free until 2029 for this edition by the publisher? I'm aware the textual content is deemed public domain, so this refers purely to the items pictured. The covers have no design - just plain red, leather bound. The publisher's logo (of a house) is really the only thing we can see on the books themselves. That design on the case is also just a big wrap-around sticker, with a synopsis on the rear panel, but I'm not even sure if it is considered a "cover" or a label. The logo on that label was raised in a "helpme" response, as to whether it was used on the originals, as that would probably render it public domain. To answer that: I don't know, I have only ever seen photos of the various new editions, but am unable to find a photo of a 1908 original. Ma®©usBritish[chat] 15:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

Just a short note about the sticker on the case. It mentions the introduction by Bell Irvin Wiley. As Wiley was born in 1906, it is unlikely that he wrote an introduction for the 1908 edition. Therefore, the sticker is about the 1959 edition. However, it is possible that its general design could have been reused from the 1908 edition. -- Asclepias (talk) 16:52, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Well, it isn't unlikely, I already know he only wrote the 1959 intro, and someone else wrote another new intro in 1978. But any publisher could add 2 lines of text, under Dyer's credential, to an existing design.. that probably wouldn't extend them copyrights to the entire design any more than the new intro gives them rights to the entire book, right? But we don't know if they did that or not. Either way, I still need to know if the new edition, as pictured, is of a non-free or PD nature? Cheers, Ma®©usBritish[chat] 17:07, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
Seems to me that the picture of the outside of a modern reprint edition does not contribute to any article to an extent sufficient to justify the use of this image. --Orange Mike | Talk 18:42, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
How's about someone please address my actual question instead of subjecting the image to scrutiny based on misconceptions and personal beliefs of no relevance.. it just wastes my time. Ma®©usBritish[chat] 21:48, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
I saw your note at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Free book covers (which is sadly inactive, but it started in my userspace and I still have it watchlisted). I'm afraid that this book design would indeed be considered copyrightable, even though there isn't that much content. If you can establish that the underlying engraving for the case label was used in the original 1908 publication, then my advice would be to scan or photograph the label alone. I know the spine design seems very minimal, but courts have upheld copyrights for things like that when somebody tries to bring out a book that looks exactly like a publisher's signature spine style. Chick Bowen 01:15, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply. I have been unable to find a picture of the original single-volume release any where. There were only 4,500 copies, and it seems no one has ever taken a picture on one, only newer editions are shown. I don't think, going by a description, the original had any design or logo on the cover, so the case must have been produced especially for the 1959 edition, to house the set. No worries.. thanks again. Ma®©usBritish[chat] 01:36, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Possibly Unfree Media

Resolved
 –  – ukexpat (talk) 01:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

I am attempting to work with my local Transit Agency to get a set of images for specific stations that are currently listed as needing a photo. I would like to get a consultation regarding the viability of this section in the context of uploading the photos. Is the Use Policy compatible with the "free" portion and therefore able to be uploaded to Commons, compatible with the Fair Use policy, or should not be uploaded with the current Use Policy? I have not yet uploaded these images as I want to ensure the copyright/licence is acceptable before uploading. If I have asked at the wrong place please let me know where I should take it. I have already Come from WP:Copyright Problems. Thank you. Hasteur (talk) 18:46, 31 January 2012 (UTC)

If they are prepared to give a blanket permission for any purpose then there shouldn't be a problem. But as their terms read (particularly this bit: Permission to download, reproduce, use and distribute DART images for commercial purposes, other than news reporting as described above, must be requested from DART in writing) they are not totally free because permission would be required for every commercial use. I don't think that is compatible with Commons licensing requirements. – ukexpat (talk) 19:39, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
That's what I was afraid of. I guess the long form "This image for this page" request for permission to the agency will have to be the solution with a side order of OTRS notification is the way to stay out of trouble. If any other copyright image workers have suggestions I'll work with them. Hasteur (talk) 19:49, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
It looks like your best solution will be to get yourself down to the stations that need photos, take you own images and release them under a free licence, then preferable upload them to the commons. I very much think that any request will not allow their images to be freely licenced as we require. ww2censor (talk) 22:16, 31 January 2012 (UTC)
The problem is that per the security policy that DART police have, individual photographers are not allowed to photograph the stations or trains for terrorism concerns. Since I've been informed of said policy I've desisted taking personal photographs of the stations. I'll try to get them to go free, but I'm sure they'll be willing to go to the level of non-free. Hasteur (talk) 05:36, 1 February 2012 (UTC)
Permission to take photos is an issue between you and whoever controls the locations or the owner and in no way prevents you from releasing any images you do take freely if you can take them. I sympathise with your problem. ww2censor (talk) 00:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
You say, "I'm sure they'll be willing to go to the level of non-free." That may be alright with them, but it would not be alright with Wikipedia: Any non-free image could be replaced by a free image that could be created; so its use would be against Wikipedia's non-free content policy. —teb728 t c 01:56, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
This is a good read with respect to illegal and misguided restrictions on the rights of photographers, though I am, of course, not proffering any legal advice. – ukexpat (talk) 15:07, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

OP back, just wante to let everyone know that I got a special permission grant to take photos from publicly accessible areas from the Media Relations department. As I'm taking the photo I can go full out commons licence and share the photos. I consider the issue now closed Hasteur (talk) 19:16, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Concerning image

File:Snakewheel.png was uploaded in 2007 as pd-self (self created) where it existed unmolested for several years, until recently were the licence was changed to a non free/fair use licence [15]. Previously the image was only used in userspace. Now, would the image qualify for pd-self? Even if the file is self made it's still a recreation of copyrighted logo, that should pass the threshold of originality. If not, then can user made images be used as fair use images? Яehevkor ✉ 00:12, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

I have checked the book and it is not the same, and possibly not close enough to retain copyright. In the original, the snake head has more detail and is longer, the snake crosses the wheel on the other side, the snake is fatter, the wheel has a 3 dimensional look, looking down on top slightly. So whether this is a derivative (possible) or a creation that somewhat resembles the book symbol(possible). The book states that the snake wheel symbol is a trademark. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 10:58, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Daniel Spill

I wish to upload and use this image of Daniel Spill to give an illustration of him for his article. I believe this image is now public domain as the subject died in the 1880s but I don't know any details of when the picture was taken or who the author was. Is it OK to tag it as public domain without any of these details ? cheers. Mattg82 (talk) 00:32, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

You will need to find out when and where it was first published as it may still be in copyright. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 21:08, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

copyright and tagging issues noted on my User talk page

Hello,

These questions are related to issues brought up on this page:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Jgrossnas

With regard to the Entry Logo file- that must have been an accidental upload. I didn't intend to include that on Wikipedia.

Please detail on which Wiki page and which section of it the Copyright problem occurred so that I can address this.

For the DavidYarnold-thumbnail.jpg picture in question, that can now be deleted and removed from the Wiki database. I have a better, larger version of the photo here that I'd prefer to use: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:DavidYarnold.jpg

Thanks for your help, Jason — Preceding unsigned comment added by Jgrossnas (talk • contribs) 23:07, 1 February 2012 (UTC)

On 3 March 2010 you uploaded File:Entry logo.jpg without a copyright tag and added it to National Audubon Society. It is still used in the article. The warning was added to your talk page on 24 March 2010. On 29 March 2010 you added a tag on the file description page, ‎File:Entry logo.jpg, which is all you needed to do for this image.
File:DavidYarnold-thumbnail.jpg has no copyright tag, and it will be deleted unless one is added, which apparently is OK with you. Does that answer your questions. —teb728 Ⓣ Ⓒ 07:22, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
It could be more complicated. Versions of this photo (original or retouched) have been published on Audubon websites and on Yarnold's faceboook page. The original appears to have been taken in 2010 in Mexico [16], [17] or [18]. The facebook version [19] looks like it was retouched to remove the background. Those published versions do not seem to mention the author's name. The version uploaded to Commons looks further retouched to remove a hand and part of a head in the foreground of the subject's shirt, and to boost its size. In such circumstances, the Commons policy normally requires that the uploader sends a mail through OTRS to verifiably confirm not only that he owns the copyright on the derivative but that he owns the copyright on the original or was authorized to use it for creating a free derivative. -- Asclepias (talk) 18:54, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Non-free photo of Olivia Hack

Is she qualified under WP:NFC to have a non-free image of herself in either Star Trek Generations or The Brady Bunch (film)? --George Ho (talk) 06:15, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

I don't understand: How do you think the use of a non-free image might significantly increase reader understanding of the article? —teb728 Ⓣ Ⓒ 06:29, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
Is she most likely recognized as "Cindy Brady" from Brady Bunch movies? Well, no one recognizes this person, yet these movie audiences may recognize her as "Cindy Brady". An image may merely identify Olivia Hack as Cindy Brady with the hairstyle, her age, and the '70 dress. I will put an image into her filmography section if approved; what do you think? Look at Leonard Nimoy: it has a non-free image of Spock. --George Ho (talk) 06:44, 2 February 2012 (UTC)
By the way, I read her resume in IMDB. Her last on-screen appearance was 2005 or 2006. I would consider her on-screen career retired, but she continues her voice acting. --George Ho (talk) 06:49, 2 February 2012 (UTC)

Could you please help? I have two photos I wish to add to my page, first one is a photo taken by me of the Church, taken January 2012. The second photo I belive was taken of the Church around 1877 and was given to us to use as required. Which copyright tags do I use? Thank you in advance. Kate — Preceding unsigned comment added by Katemulholland (talk • contribs) 04:47, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

If you took the contemporary photo entirely yourself, you can choose any of the license tags at WP:ICT/FL. I recommend {{cc-by-sa-3.0}} unless you prefer something else. For the old photo use {{PD-Australia}} and provide whatever information you have about source and author.
While I am looking at Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/St Dominic's Parish Melton: You seem to have copied the draft article from another website. While theoretically you might get a license to use the copy, doing so would just lead to other problems. Instead you should rewrite the article based on coverage in published reliable sources, providing verification of the content by references to those sources. —teb728 t c 06:14, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
The AFC draft is a clear and obvious copyvio and I have tagged it for speedy deletion as such. – ukexpat (talk) 17:04, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Photo from NPS site

 Done

While reviewing a CCI, I see this edit adding this image File:CampDissapointmentB.jpg. The licensing indicates it is PD because it is the work of an NPS employee.

Perusing past discussions, I see that one cannot conclude automatically that any image on an NPS site is pd, so I want to make sure this one is OK. At the source, the caption states Photo from National Historic Landmarks collection. Can we conclude from this that it is taken by an NPS employee and therefore pd?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 15:54, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Found it at http://pdfhost.focus.nps.gov/docs/NHLS/Photos/66000434.pdf Marked NPS in the photog spot. Public Domain. Smallbones (talk) 23:02, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks --SPhilbrick(Talk) 23:32, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Rom Landau.jpg

Can someone kindly assist re an image of Rom Landau I have uploaded? I would like to incorporate it in the Rom Landau article, but don’t quite know how to achieve this, or indeed if the image can be used on this media. Thanks. --Stephen Castro (talk) 19:49, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

 Done in this edit. Note however that the image page is lacking an appropriate copyright tag. – ukexpat (talk) 20:29, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Thank you, much appreciated. --Stephen Castro (talk) 10:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Jets to Zurich.jpg

I was told the image has no source, I got it off Facebook from the band's official page which they are happy for people to do. If I can be shown how to change the image's source I can correct this.

Imperious2780 (talk) —Preceding undated comment added 15:13, 4 February 2012 (UTC).

Facebook images from band webpages are usually copyright to someone and without any specific permission or evidence the image is freely licenced we cannot accept it. You are welcome to ask the band to donate a freely licenced image for use here, if they wish. In that case get them to verify their permission by following the procedure found at WP:CONSENT. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 15:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Wikipedia Videos

Is there a way to download a Wikipedia video file and use it as an object in a PowerPoint slide presentation? My specific interest is the NASA video showing the Aurora Borealis from the International Space Station. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.231.213.210 (talk) 17:34, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Clicking on the video will take you to its file description page. If the video was created by NASA, there should a statement, “This file is in the public domain because it was created by NASA.” This means that you may use the video. If you right click on the video, your browser will give you a menu including an option to save the video to your hard drive. —teb728 t c 22:00, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Going to the Sun Mountain 1932.jpg Second review requested

 Done In view of recent events, I would appreciate it if someone would do a second review of the pd status of File:Going to the Sun Mountain 1932.jpg. If this isn't the right place to make this request, please let me know.--SPhilbrick(Talk) 16:02, 3 February 2012 (UTC)

Firstly the image is hosted on the commons so this is not really the place to discuss its status. Second the copyright status was reviewed back in May 2010 and found to be good. Lastly, having looked at the source, it does appears to be a National Parks Service image as it is attributed specifically to the NPS, so is PD per all other US government images. ww2censor (talk) 17:01, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
The editor who reviewed it is now the subject of multiple CCI investigation because of copyright violations, which is why I am requesting a second opinion, and not accepting the 2010 opinion. Your point that it is on Commons is a good one, I'll see if I can figure out where to ask about it there. I do see the attribution to NPS, so that may be sufficient, but I read this discussion about photos on NPS sites, in which the editor is trying to make the argument that they are Ok to use, clearly implying that there is some question (and I was unable to determine what consensus, if any, was reached). I also read this discussion abut an image found on an NPS site, where the discussion closes with I've tagged it for speedy delete on Commons, so I want to be careful about what is and is not acceptable. I think the distinction is that in the case of the photo that was deleted, while it appeared on an NPS site, it was captioned Courtesy of AP/ Wide World Photos therefore not considered NPS generated, while the Going to the Sun photo is specifically captioned with (National Park Service) Is it fair to assume that the caption indicates that it was NPS generated?--SPhilbrick(Talk) 18:10, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Yes, I think you have to assume some good faith that the attribution given in this instance is proper. This issue has come up with NASA images too where NASA specifically states some images are not theirs and you will find those images attributed to external photographers/organisations. We have to assume these governmental organisation have some clue as to what is theirs and what is not, unless there are red flags indicating otherwise, such as credibly finding them elsewhere attributed to someone else. ww2censor (talk) 18:38, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks--SPhilbrick(Talk) 19:08, 3 February 2012 (UTC)
NR nominations are just about always submitted by non-government people, but we have no reason to believe that an unattributed photo the the NPS website is privately created. This should be quite safe. Nyttend (talk) 04:23, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Uploading Public Domain Images to Wiki Commons

I've been told that to insert images in an AFC I must first upload the images to Wiki Commons. The images are sourced from the Library of Congress, and in the public domain. Having difficulty finding where and how to start...can anyone help or tell me where to go within Wiki's website? I am a relatively new user. Thank you.

Navigator42 (talk) 22:12, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

Is there actually any point in uploading images as the article you are trying to write Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Washington Map Society appears to be for a non-notable organisation? You can however contribute public domain image to the commons here. ww2censor (talk) 22:33, 4 February 2012 (UTC)

I will be further editing(soon)our AFC for resubmission. I will have some new support for notability. It is our desire to submit a comprehensive revision, including images.

Navigator42 (talk) 22:31, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

To answer your question — go to http://commons.wikimedia.org for the Wikimedia Commons, or http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/special:upload for the page where you can upload images. Nyttend (talk) 04:21, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

cc-by-nc derivative relicensing question

There is a picture on flickr licensed with cc-by-nc. And this means we can't use it given its licensing. Now, what if I were to take it and make a derivative work from it, and license that using a compatible license (e.g. cc-by-sa). It would seem that, without knowing much about cc licenses, since since the author didn't include the sa or "share alike" attribute, that I would be free to license the derivative work however I pleased, as long as I gave the original author credit and (myself) didn't use it for commercial purposes. Can you do this? Can you make a derivative work of a cc-by-nc licensed image and then license that under a less restrictive license? Thanks jheiv talk contribs 08:18, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Just wanted to also point out that I've reached out to the original author to ask them to relicense it or provide permission but have gotten no response.jheiv talk contribs 08:19, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
I originally tagged this one, and I just looked up the legal bits - Section 4b of http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nc/2.0/legalcode
You may not exercise any of the rights granted to You in Section 3 above in any manner that is primarily intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation. The exchange of the Work for other copyrighted works by means of digital file-sharing or otherwise shall not be considered to be intended for or directed toward commercial advantage or private monetary compensation, provided there is no payment of any monetary compensation in connection with the exchange of copyrighted works.
I think that stops you changing it from NC to SA even if it's a derivative.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 13:05, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
I've found something useful - http://wiki.creativecommons.org/FAQ#How_do_I_properly_attribute_a_Creative_Commons_licensed_work.3F - chart about 2/3rd down page - a derivative of a BY-NC image can only be relicensed as BY-NC or BY-NC-ND or BY-NC-SA.  Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:19, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

1850 map of Maryland by J. C. Sidney

Hi,

Earlier today I uploaded three images that consisted of sections of an 1850 map of Maryland by J. C. Sidney. I annotated the maps to highlight the location of certain roads on the maps; otherwise the map sections were unchanged from the original. Given its age (> 150 years old), I believe that the map (i.e., the sections I have scanned) may be used freely in Wikipedia articles. Please correct me if I am wrong. At any rate, subsequent to uploading the map files to Wikipedia, I uploaded them to Wikipedia Commons, where I have made use of them in the article "Old Harford Road." Please forgive me for having uploaded the files to Wikipedia; it was a mistake.

Here are the files names:

Many thanks for you assistance, Sincerely, accas1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by Accas1 (talk • contribs) 15:30, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

I've deleted all three for you. For future note to request deletion of items only you have edited is to add {{db-G7}} to the top of the page ( = where the author of the only substantial content has requested deletion in good faith)  Ronhjones  (Talk) 17:26, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Thanks for the fast response and fix! accas1 — Preceding unsigned comment added by 70.233.147.62 (talk) 23:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

Where to check rules on photos of buildings

Where do I check to determine if I can upload a picture of a building taken in the United States from public property? RJFJR (talk) 16:06, 5 February 2012 (UTC)

You're looking for "Freedom of Panorama", which is spelled out at Commons. Photos of US buildings taken from public property are not protected by copyright and thus can be uploaded as a free image (assuming you took the photo and are willing it license it as such ) over at Commons. --MASEM (t) 16:09, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
That's it. Thank you for the swift response. RJFJR (talk) 16:20, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
Photos of US buildings taken from public property are not protected by copyright EXCEPT for the photographer's own copyright over the images; the buildings themselves don't affect the copyright status of the image. Nyttend (talk) 04:19, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Question about 1916 photograph from France

File:Fonds VDSA 6135.jpg

I have responded to commands from the "Imagebot," but I am not 100% sure I have done the right thing.

This photograph was supplied by the owner in France (a local history organization) specifically for the purpose of illustrating the article on Gustave Rives. The photograph dates from 1916 and should be out of copyright. The building in the photograph, by the way, no longer exists.

I inserted the code {{PD-US-1923-abroad|pdsource=yes}} under "Description," but there is still a notice to the effect that "This image does not have a copyright tag."

What additional information or permission is required to satisfy the requirements?

Thanks,

Pcampsie

In order to claim pd-us-abroad, it has to be demonstrated that the photograph was PUBLISHED prior to 1923. The date the photograph was taken is not relevant. What is needed is when the phoitograph was first published. Nigel Ish (talk) 16:02, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
And uploading it to the commons without the appropriate country tag and evidence of publication does not work either. We really need more accurate information. ww2censor (talk) 17:43, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
It could be used under fair use on en Wikipedia too, due to the building no longer standing. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:28, 5 February 2012 (UTC)
The reason it still has the "This image does not have a copyright tag" notice is that you didn't delete the notice when you added the copyright tag. —teb728 t c 19:40, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

Changing an image

My company updated its logo and would like to change the image on the Wikipedia page to reflect that change. How can I go about changing the image? — Preceding unsigned comment added by AgStarComm (talk • contribs) 19:58, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

The best way would be to upload the new logo and then add it to the article. Whether the old one is deleted depends on whether the logo is eligible for copyright or not. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:04, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

File:KCAL-TV Logo.png

Is this image eligible for copyrights, regardless of typeface? --George Ho (talk) 20:29, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

I would say it's probably PD-ineligible, but IANAL. -mattbuck (Talk) 20:35, 6 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Tang_type-96.jpg

Could someone take a look at this file? The uploader (who is no longer active) claims it's his own work, and I can't disprove that. However, a) it has what appears to be a watermark in Chinese, and b) I found it because I was going through the uploader's contributions after finding a copy-paste from an external site. I think this image isn't his, and I could be completely wrong, but I'd like a second opinion. Nikkimaria (talk) 13:11, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Tineye finds a copy at http://www.takungpao.com/news/07/07/24/ZM-770071.htm (but not there now) and at 512 pixels wide, whereas this is bigger. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:34, 7 February 2012 (UTC)
Google find several other copies mostly in forums. ww2censor (talk) 21:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Image from me Rejected.

I uploaded an Image but it's rejected, and they say I need some sort of license or template or something like that and I didn't understand a word. Can you please assist me on how to obtain a license to upload images? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Barcelonafan1999 (talk • contribs) 14:50, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

I presume you mean File:Ronaldo2012madridhomekit.jpg which has neither a proper source link and nor a copyright tag. Google found it for you on an internet webpage, but you don't tell us where, so you just copied it, uploaded it and did not prove to us that it is freely licenced. The majority of internet images are copyright to someone and unless you can show the copyright holder has released the image under a free licence that we accept, we can't use it. You may find it useful to read my image copyright information page. ww2censor (talk) 17:37, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Wikimedia-logo.svg

Curious: how does this logo meet the criterion for copyright as defined here? Specifically,

"Lastly, a logo is not eligible for copyright if it consists entirely of simple geometric shapes."

Best, Weatherman1126 (talk) 21:00, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

See discussion in also Commons:Village pump/Copyright#File:Wikimedia-logo.svg. --George Ho (talk) 21:35, 7 February 2012 (UTC)

Museums typically license their photographs of two-dimensional reliefs or carvings such as the image below. Can it be argued that such a photograph belongs to the Public Domain?

File:Aten_disk.jpg

Commons policy on this is explained at commons:Commons:When to use the PD-Art tag. – ukexpat (talk) 19:16, 8 February 2012 (UTC)
We follow commons policy, and they specifically call out coins as 3D art that fails to fall into the PD-Art allowance. As this is a carving/relief structure, the same concept applies, so if this is a photo that a museum has licensed, then we cannot call it public domain. --MASEM (t) 19:32, 8 February 2012 (UTC)

Rationale stuff?

I uploaded this file, and a user left a message on my talk page saying that the rationale I put was unacceptable. It had been used for a DVD cover of another movie too, though, so I'm not really sure what to do. Help, please? Fireblazex3 (talk) 12:22, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I suggest that you use a {{Non-free image rationale}} template with as much detail as possible. That will present the rationale in a standard format. – ukexpat (talk) 19:24, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
It is not used on any articles. (Did you intend to use it on Tere Ghar Ke Samne?) A non-free file cannot be hosted on Wikipedia unless it is used on an article. And there must be a non-free use rationale for each article that (among other things) names the article and explains how the use significantly increases reader understanding of the article. What rationale you have provided doesn't do either. —teb728 t c 19:41, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

Using a friend's images

Having completed a successful project for my local railway museum on the closed railway lines in Scotland I thought it could be of interest to produce a similar display for Wikipedia users. Some of this has already been done but many of the articles could be improved. It makes the pages much more interesting if they have images to go along with the text. I have a friend who has a large collection of suitable photos. He is more than happy for these to be used on Wikipedia and the wider on line world. I have struggled to find out how to do this but eventually found the declaration of consent form which can be completed and e mailed. Does he have to send this or can I do it on his behalf? (He is not computer literate) Does he / me have to complete this form for every image used (there could eventually be hundreds) Any help you can give me would be greatly appreciated. I am fairly new to this and am finding writing for Wikipedia a real challenge. To date I have been experimenting with my sand box. Alanyoung2154 (talk) 15:07, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I'm assuming he took these pictures himself? Yes, I'm afraid he has to do it; we're not allowed to take your word for it that he's okay with this. And yes, each image must be individually licensed, as each one is individually copyrighted. Sorry! --Orange Mike | Talk 15:29, 10 February 2012 (UTC)
  • Assuming he's the copyright holder and the images haven't been published elsewhere, he could upload the images to Commons himself as well. Probably a bit simpler than sending dozens of OTRS emails and then having you upload them. Crisco 1492 (talk) 15:39, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

category for uploading permission for photograph

I have a letter from the woman who took a series of pictures of me for my use (for which I paid a fee). She gave me a letter stating I could use all pictures in any manner I deemed necessary. I do not understand all of the categories on this section so do not know how to categorize the permission I have or what form I use to upload my picture to my article. Carl O Helvie — Preceding unsigned comment added by Carl O. Helvie (talk • contribs) 21:16, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

  • So it appears you had a professional take some photos but because it was a work for hire you own the copyright and may release them under any licence you desire. Of course we only accept freely licenced images so that what you much choose if you want to use them here. Consult WP:TAGS to choose an appropriate copyright tag of which a Creative Commons licence is most likely the best for you. ww2censor (talk) 22:11, 10 February 2012 (UTC)

I was wondering if [this] image (it's the second one with the guy with a broken nose) is ok to use in my article that I am writing. If not, I need information on how to get permission to use it. Thatemooverthere (talk) 03:24, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

The content at your link has changed since you posted; so I can't see the photo any more. The subject is a living person, right? If so the photo would have to be licensed under a free license if we are to use it; permission to use it only on Wikipedia is not enough. Most stuff you find on the internet is not free licensed. In order to get permission you have to find out who the photographer is and then ask him for permission as described at WP:COPYREQ. —teb728 t c 07:33, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Chinese Stamps

I need to know if I can upload an image of a stamp that was produced by China in 1988. I am aware that I can upload American stamps: are there any other countries whose stamps I can upload without violating copyright? If so, where can I find the information?Ferox Seneca (talk) 03:29, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

Copyright in China lasts 50 years; so a 1988 stamp could be used only under the restrictions of WP:NFCC. (U.S. postage stamps produced in 1978 or later are under the same restrictions.) If the use conforms, tag it with {{non-free stamp}}, and use {{subst:stamp rationale}} for the non-free use rationale. —teb728 t c 10:14, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
In most instances non-free stamps may only be used in stamp articles per WP:NFC#Images #3 unless there is sourced critical commentary about the stamp but just using it to show the subject is not allowed. Many such uses have been deleted. Also see Commons:Stamps/Public domain templates. ww2censor (talk) 12:23, 11 February 2012 (UTC)
In my case, that means effectively "no". Thanks, anyways. Your advice was very insightful.Ferox Seneca (talk) 16:35, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

how to upload pictures on wikipedia?

sir i wanted to know that how to upload photos or pictures on wikipedia while writing an article — Preceding unsigned comment added by Deepak dattreya shenoy (talk • contribs) 09:02, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

See Help:Files. —teb728 t c 09:19, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

File:Funweareyoung.jpg

Can you guys please help find the licensing for the image, I really don't know where else to find it as I already put all the information I could possibly find.

Thanks! — Preceding unsigned comment added by Raveonforever (talk • contribs) 22:52, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

I added the appropriate {{non-free album cover}} copyright tag to the image. A bot will reduce the size automatically to comply with the WP:NFCC criteria. ww2censor (talk) 22:59, 11 February 2012 (UTC)

IMage uploaded to Mendocino Music Festival

I uploaded a photo with permission from the photographer. His credit is embedded in the photo and that is why it is ok with him if I use it on our wikipedia page. Is that ok or do I need something else? Thanks much Andria Richey — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mendokitties (talk • contribs) 00:13, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

In order to be acceptable File:Mendocino-MF-tent-hirez-3041a-NWilsonPhotoCom.jpg would have to be licensed under a free license, which grants permission for modifications like the removal of the watermark. Permission for use only on Wikipedia or only unmodified is not acceptable. If that is acceptable to the photographer, handle the permission as described in WP:COPYREQ. —teb728 t c 02:15, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Proper licence format

I've been advised you need to properly format the image license information in order to keep and use new images which I uploaded. How do I respond? — Preceding unsigned comment added by RTBoughner (talk • contribs) 22:47, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

I presume you mean the image File:CherryPointView.jpg. Usually photographers will add the copyright template {{PD-self}} or {{Attribution}} to their images, though there are other choices which must be freely licenced and more info can be found at WP:TAGS. Copy the template with both pairs of curly brackets and do not use the code you see in the edit view. Also, fill in the missing details of the information template I added to the image file. ww2censor (talk) 23:06, 12 February 2012 (UTC)

Reuse of images

How can I copy images from Wikipedia? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 78.144.91.3 (talk) 12:19, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

Follow the instructions here. Let us know if they are unclear. Superm401 - Talk 19:00, 13 February 2012 (UTC)

is this image okay to use? ....

im editing the Denton Music section I was wondering if it was okay to use this image from the internet... http://forthebeat.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/12/neon-indian.jpg

the only place i find this image is on frontbeat. When there I can't find any information as to who took this image or if its free use under public domain. Please let me know if its appropriate or not or what I need to do to get it legit.

thnx — Preceding unsigned comment added by Chekitoutbro (talk • contribs) 00:58, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

If you found the image used on some page on the web, that page might give some indication of the license status--or at least what copyright owner to ask for a free license. A naked jpg gives no clue--not even what the image shows or how it might be used. —teb728 t c 06:08, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Photo from my facebook account

I uploaded a photo from my facebook account. A friend tagged me with his photo. The photo then was automatically added to my (facebook) photo album collections. Does this photo needs permission from facebook to be released?

Coek (talk) 03:20, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Which photo are you asking about? File:Amado Benito, Jr. in Singapore.jpg? —teb728 t c 05:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Image from a book at Project Guttenberg

I would like to use an image, a plan of Fountains Abbey, from this book. Is it OK to upload it from the UK? If so, which copyright tag should be used, please? Thanks.--Harkey (talk) 12:37, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

In UK anonymous or corportate published pictures and books over 70 years old are in public domain. Also if this was published in US it is pre 1923 and also public domain. See or use template:PD-UK and put this to commons. It would have entered public domain prior to 1996 so that issue does not apply. Graeme Bartlett (talk) 20:30, 14 February 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for your help.--Harkey (talk) 20:39, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Recent Photos to Concordia Choir

Our recent photos, including the South Korea picture, Christmas Concert 2009 picture and Paul J. Christiansen photo are all owned by the Concordia College department of music in cooperation with the Concordia Department of Communications, Sheldon Green. We would love to keep these photos on Wikipedia and think they add a non-biased and accurate portrayal of the choir and its recent endeavors. Please let me know how I can best accomodate your copywrite needs. We're more than happy to provide you with any information necessary. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Goalieman11 (talk • contribs) 16:34, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

If you are authorised to donate images to Wikipedia, you should read Wikipedia:Donating copyrighted materials and follow the procedures found there. You may also find it useful to read my image copyright information page. However, because you appear to be involved or employed by the organisation in question, for editing purposes, you should be fully aware of our guidelines on conflict of interest. Good luck. ww2censor (talk) 17:19, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

Birth Cerificate of Marilyn Monroe

Is this image still copyrighted: http://www.ebay.com/itm/Original-Marilyn-Monroe-AP-wire-photo-birth-certificate-/180815059351?_trksid=p5197.m7&_trkparms=algo%3DLVI%26itu%3DUCI%26otn%3D5%26po%3DLVI%26ps%3D63%26clkid%3D6329900168394764326 --George Ho (talk) 20:52, 14 February 2012 (UTC)

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