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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by The Devil's Advocate (talk | contribs) at 17:19, 12 January 2012 (→Association for Contextual Behavioral Science: tag). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

I am a member of the organization and perhaps not unbiased, but I want to say that the organization is very important for professionals (both clinicians and scientists) working within behavior analysis and the work will benefit people in general. The area as well as the organization is expanding rapidly why I would say it is of importance to keep the page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 130.238.240.144 (talk) 10:05, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Association for Contextual Behavioral Science

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Dubious notability; author removed PROD but still lacks independent sources to confirm enduring notability. Zzarch (talk) 01:01, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

The author did not remove PROD for this article, I did. I disagree that this article meets criteria for deletion which is why I removed PROD in the first place. --Tzadkiel43 (talk) 01:21, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Additionally, it would seem that ACBS is notable enough to be mentioned within the article for Behaviorism itself... see: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Behaviorism#21st-century_behavior_analysis --Tzadkiel43 (talk) 01:24, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Understood. If you could find independent sources confirming the general notability of this organization, I would support keeping. Zzarch (talk) 01:25, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I was able to find a few independent sources which make mention of ACBS: "http://moritaschool.com/content/links", "http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2831449/", "http://jpepsy.oxfordjournals.org/content/36/4/398.short". The following google scholar search brought up 55 hits: "http://scholar.google.com/scholar?lr=lang_en&q=%22association+for+contextual+behavioral+science%22&hl=en&as_sdt=0,14" --Tzadkiel43 (talk) 01:53, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I see. Voting for Keep then, but you may wish to integrate some third party source into the article itself. Zzarch (talk) 01:57, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Delete I have found no independent sources mentioning this group. From what I can tell the links above are all from advocates, with one source only mentioning this group while citing the Wikipedia page. Furthermore, the account creating this article may be the same Steven C. Hayes who founded the therapy it advocates.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 04:13, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
That seems a valid WP:COI concern, and I am withdrawing my vote for now to see if anyone can provide sources that clearly come from neutral and non-advocating parties. Zzarch (talk) 04:51, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
How about this for a neutral or non-advocating party? The Association for Behavioral Analysis International mentioned ACBS in 2007 in Vol. 30, No 7 of its newsletter; scroll down that page and look for the heading "Building Bridges: Collaboration with Other Organizations," and then look for the mention of ACBS as one of eight organizations ABAI is interested in "building bridges and sharing opportunities with." Some of the other organizations in this list are quite well known, e.g. the American Psychology Association, so it is not as if phantoms are being made up here. This plus the University of Nevado, Reno source that I mentioned in my Keep vote lower on on this page are examples of numerous brief mentions on the web of ACBS by reputable and neutral (in the sense of not directly affiliated) third parties. Whole Sight (talk) 15:28, 12 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Behavioural science-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Note: This debate has been included in the list of Organizations-related deletion discussions. • Gene93k (talk) 13:39, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep The notion of deleting at this point seems driven by a single person who has chosen to selectively ignore a great deal of evidence pointing in favor of notability. To give just one more instance of such evidence, the University of Nevada, Reno, has a press release on its web site detailing the 2010 annual conference for ACBS - including a rough count of number of conference participants, etc. etc. Yes, UNR is where Steven C. Hayes teaches; but on the other hand, UNR's existence as a university is not in question, and for this press release to be dismissed as untrustworthy in its description of this ACBS event as a significant one within the field of academic psychology, one would have to conceive of a grand conspiracy theory of some sort. I would say it is up to anyone still proposing deletion to at this point prove the various cited sources are unreliable. The link to the UNR press release is is here . Whole Sight (talk) 15:11, 12 January 2012 (UTC) This template must be substituted.[reply]
  • Comment Queeste and Tzadkiel have few edits on Wikipedia and a nice chunk of those edits relate to this therapy and its proponents. The therapy itself has some established notability, but notability is not transferable to anything related to the therapy.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 16:18, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
    • Comment on comment Are we going ad hominem? The Devil's Advocate's comment is a lie. I do have few edits, right. I'm Dutch speaking and active on the Dutch Wiki. But a nice chunk of my edits having to do with this therapy??? Exactly 1 to be precise: it's about Steven Hayes. What did I add: a category! Big thing, no? Check my Dutch edits if you want to have an impression of my background; be my guest. And still: it's ad hominem and thus besides the question. It's an insult.--Queeste (talk) 17:42, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I am clever enough to actually look at your contributions you know, including those on the Dutch Wikipedia. You have made mostly insignificant contributions there (a whole lot of redirects to articles about beer stuck out) and, once more, you were making a lot of contributions to articles related to this therapy right as you started editing there. As far as only making "1 edit" you actually have made several, though you may think someone is not going to check up on that. You have added wikilinks for the Steven Hayes article to other articles, added information about RFT, made edits on experiential avoidance that support the general contention of ACT, and added the website for the subject of this article to another page. All of that on the English Wikipedia. Edits on this particular subject are your first edits in both areas of Wikipedia. Do you have any affiliation with the proponents of the therapy?--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 21:37, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Would it be possible to move the discussion back to the merits of the article itself? I hardly think that my relatively few edits (most of which concern naval issues, not sure how you came to the conclusion that a "nice chunk" relate to the therapy or its proponents) compared to yours has much to do with the points that were raised concerning the presence of other articles covering organizations without independent sources. The argument that you made concerning the therapy's notability not applying to the organization also applies to Association for Behavioral and Cognitive Therapies and Association for Behavior Analysis International. If these articles are acceptable, why not Association for Contextual Behavioral Science? Or any of the other organizations that Queeste mentioned that you did not address?--Tzadkiel43 (talk) 22:25, 9 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
It is important an admin reviewing this understands the apparent biases of those suggesting it be kept. Your points are ultimately not very significant. There are many articles lacking sources, but notability does not specifically require that sources be present in the article. So long as independent sources exist supporting its notability the article is suitable for inclusion. However, listing other articles that you think should or should not be deleted is a distraction. If any of those other articles lack sufficient notability for an independent article then those would need to be deleted as well. What matters is whether this article has notability that can be established with significant mentions in independent reliable sources.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 00:11, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
We can agree to disagree about the relevance of the other similar articles currently in existence, I think. Can you be specific as to exactly what kinds of independent sources you consider suitable? A google search for "Association for Contextual Behavioral Science" returns 389,000 results. --Tzadkiel43 (talk) 00:25, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Raw number of hits are irrelevant. The top results I find are all directly-affiliated or closely-affiliated with the subject of the article. After ten pages of such sources Google stops listing them because the rest are apparently not much different.--The Devil's Advocate (talk) 02:13, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
I'm starting to get the impression that you're really not reading what I am typing here. I asked you directly what kinds of independent sources you consider suitable, and you offered no input on that. I'm going to go ahead and add this to the debate: ACBS is a rapidly expanding notable international organization of over 5,000 members on par with other organizations with their own articles. ACBS was recognized back in 2007 by the Association for Behavior Analysis International as a noteworthy organization.[1] Time magazine ran a piece on Steven C. Hayes in which the ACBS website is listed as a resource for locating ACT therapists.[2] Finally, I noticed that in addition to calling for the deletion of this article you've flagged the biography for Steven C. Hayes as problematic as well. Since you've ignored the other articles which I have pointed out have the exact same problems as the article under discussion, I think I'm going to have to point out a possible bias on your part, The Devil's Advocate, as you seem to be targeting Steven C. Hayes and the organization that he is associated with. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Tzadkiel43 (talk • contribs) 03:03, 10 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ Association for Behavior Analysis International
  2. ^ http://www.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,1156613-1,00.html
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