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Adding dates to assessment templates

Hi, Not having managed to find this page on my own, I started a discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Adding_dates_to_assessment_templates - please feel free to participate there or move the discussion here, whichever suits best.dramatic (talk) 09:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Interesting idea. I've posted an example of what I think you may be asking for. Is this correct? (This is on Template:WikiProject New Zealand/sandbox, but is not yet in a state to be deployed.)

• I see you have been given other suggestions and pointers on the village pump discussion. Perhaps you could try these and let us know if you still feel a template solution is warranted.
• For banner templates which assess quality and importance, would you propose having a separate date for each assessment or a combined date? If the latter, does it make sense to have it on the quality assessment row and not on the importance row?
• An alternative solution would be to use a separate row in the table to display this. This could be achieved by adding a "note" to the banner. (See example below.)
• At this stage we would probably look at adding this to the project banner you are working with. It is only if many projects were interested that we would start thinking about adding it to the meta-template.

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for putting some thought into this martin. Yes, it is pretty much what I was thinking of. I think that quality is the significant one here, as article quality changes significantly over time, whereas the importance of an article to a project seldom changes. While it would be great to have it on WPNZ, since I've been visiting unassessed articles, it is all the other projects I'm seeing the no-longer-appropriate ratings on (With WPBIO probably being the most common instance). I'll go and look at the other responses now. dramatic (talk) 02:10, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

What do I need to do to get a task force quality template running?

Several WikiProjects have taskforces. I would like to add such taskforces to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology (Template:WikiProject Sociology), starting with the social movements task force, but I cannot find a guide on how to do so, and the code in existing templates with that functionality is too complex for me (Template:WPMILHIST or Template:AfricaProject). I'd appreciate your help! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

See Template:WPBannerMeta#Task forces –xeno^talk 18:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. How can I get a task force assessment statitics to display (like here)? The project list is here. Also - do I need to create the categories listed at Template:WikiProject Sociology? I don't think I want to reassess the articles for the taskforce, I just want them to have a category and to enable the task force stat list as mentioned above (like MILHIST does). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Just guessing here, but you probably need to create and fill the requisite categories, the toplevel quality (Social movements articles by quality) and importance categories probably need Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments and then add {{Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Social movement articles by quality statistics}} somewhere. (You could also copy what milhist has done if you want it to be a malleable template that accepts the parameters for the different task forces) –xeno^talk 20:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I've created the top level category. I am not sure how to activate the other template to generate those nice quality stats... hopefully somebody can offer suggestions on that. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:44, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I believe you need to wait for the bot to run ... once every 24 hours I guess? You also need to add TF_1_QUALITY=yes , I think... And create those cats, and so on. Best place to ask for more help on this would be Template talk:WPBannerMeta, where the WPBM vets hang out... –xeno^talk 23:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I asked there - thanks. I added the TF_1_QUALITY=yes - don't recalling seeing it in the previous guide. So far, no visible changes, but there may be delayed due to the bot you mention or a need for a simple cache purge. I'll check on this tomorrow :) Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It may have something to do with the custom class mask in use. I'm sure the WPBM vets can help, in any case. –xeno^talk 23:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Moved from WP:VPT

You need to set the ASSESSMENT_CAT parameter, which I have now done. I've also added prompts to the custom class mask for all the categories which need creating. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - now, how can I get a task force assessment statitics to display (like here)? The project list is here? This is not working for me. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

You haven't yet created the categories required - these are shown on Template:WikiProject Sociology/class. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

A minor point occured to me. Is there any reason why {{{TF n_ASSESSMENT_CAT}}} shouldn't default to "{{{TF n_NAME}}} articles"? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This has now been  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Sixteen task forces?

I am drafting in my sandbox to try and add the Roald Dahl task force to WikiProject Novels. However, this project already has fifteen task forces. Is there a way to add any more? strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 08:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

You will need to add another taskforce hook, which will allow another 10. (Have a look at how Template:ChristianityWikiProject does it.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Amiga

In the above template, and probably several other TFs of WPComputing [1], the way the QS is set for the TFs and for the qualimpintersect is causing the template to categorize certain pages into two different WPComputing quality categories at the same time. See the bottom of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Amiga, the page is both in the NA-Class and Project-Class of Computing articles. Obviously, this double-classification is not preferred. Does someone know how to clean up the WPAmiga template, and the others to place the pages into the categories defined by Template:WikiProject Computing/class for its project and sub-projects? It would be better if the TFs had matching qual cats to the main project. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed [2] ? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Terrific, thx for catching that! --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

category parameter

Just wondering if we can simplify this parameter and make it more consistent over the subtemplates. A previous discussion resulted in |category= (i.e. blank) and |category=yes not opting-out of categories. I've only just found at that this change wasn't copied over to the hooks. But I'm thinking the whole system is more complicated than it needs to be. We could decide only to accept |category=no to prevent categorisation. This would be easier to understand than all these ¬ chains perhaps. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:04, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

and ...

BANNER_NAME could default to "Template:WikiProject {{{PROJECT}}}" (or "Template:{{{PROJECT NAME}}}") and become an optional parameter. —Preceding unsigned comment added by MSGJ (talk • contribs)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Inherited importance

For your information, I have updated the /taskforces hook to support a new feature for task forces to inherit importance from the main project if no specific importance has been assigned. There are more changes planned (see Template talk:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces). If there are any problems (hopefully not!) and I am not online to deal with them, please revert this and this. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Help wanted on Template:BM-related

The WP:GLAM/BM task force is currently using this banner to track quality data to help drive the workspace page. This is not a project in its own right but I was wondering if the standard meta banner could be adopted without letting the tracking break? Fæ (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Let me know if that looks okay. The only limitation is that it is not currently possible to remove the word "WikiProject" from the nested title. This is probably something we should look at changing though, because there are other banners with this problem. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:07, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick. Thanks for your help wizard Martin. Fæ (talk) 13:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

:) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I propose to add a {{{PROJECT NAME}}} parameter, which would default to WikiProject {{{PROJECT}}}. Thoughts? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Code is in the sandbox now. Any objections? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

No objections. Code looks fine. -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

TL;DR – looks good. There was some related discussion at WT:GLAM/BM#{{BM-related}} upgraded WRT possible plans for future project status but nothing that was in conflict with the meta template usage. Fæ (talk) 10:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, now implemented. I'll update BM-related now and this might allow some others to be converted, like {{WP1.0}}. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• Hmm, we seem to have an error on Template:WP conlangs. Not sure what's going on there. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

   Fixed. I had forgotten to pass the new parameter from /templatepage. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Help wanted to try a new article rating method

WikiProject United States Public Policy is testing out a rating system where ratings can be assigned using a more detailed numerical scale, which then can be translated into the standard 1.0 assessment classes. The system is described here. I want to make version of the project's banner that can work like a normal banner, taking the normal class parameters, but can also be used with the detailed rating as parameters, and then template automatically calculates what the corresponding class is and displays that. I'm not sure how to get started with it, so any help from a template guru would be great.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 14:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Certainly possible, but may be complicated to set up. It would be much easier if the class depended only on the total score, rather than having to keep track of numerous separate factors. How would you anticipate using the template - something like the following? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

{{WikiProject United States Public Policy|sourcing=3|npov=2|comprehensiveness=2|...}}

Yes, exactly. Unfortunately, I don't think it's feasible to translate between class and total score, because a bad score in one area can pretty much prevent an article from being above a certain class. Like no matter how good the rest of the scores are, if an article doesn't cite any sources, it's not going above Start-class.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 14:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like you are asking for something like a modified version of the B-class checklist except that, (1) it determines every class not just B-class and (2) it uses grades rather than just pass/fail. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, something like that seems about right. And then manually specified classes would preempt the results of the detailed scoring.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay then. I suggest you carry on discussing it and then come back when you know exactly what you want. One thing: you cannot do GA and FA-class in this way since these are Wikipedia-wide assessments and WikiProjects can't impose their own criteria on these. You are free to use stub/start/c/b/a however you wish though. 14:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

About GA and FA, of course. What I had in mind was that if the score what corresponds to the GA and FA criteria, the template would still assign a rating of B, but also display a note that the article may make a good candidate for GA or FA. If you implement the current logic here, I'm sure I could make whatever adjustment might be necessary as the scheme changes. Thanks for you help, by the way! I really appreciate it.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 15:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm making progress; I created a parser expression for translating all the scores into standard ratings. Now I need to figure out how to integrate it into the WPBannerMeta framework.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. I've moved your code to Template:WikiProject United States Public Policy/class. You can use Template:WikiProject United States Public Policy/sandbox to experiment with the code until it's working properly. If you look at my recent edits you should get an idea of what you need to do next. I'll be busy most of the weekend but will help out when I can. Have fun — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

A little more progress now... I took the next steps from your edits, and now the sandbox will display the proper class when the new parameters are put in (and inputting class directly takes precedence if it's there, so that's great). I'm flummoxed by how the bchecklist hook works. I've been playing around starting from the bchecklist code at Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/numericalratings, but I haven't figured out how to make it display the checklist details (which it ought to do any time there are any of the b1-b6 parameters present).--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 13:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

How's it looking now? There are a couple of examples on /testcases. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Strange category

{{WikiProject Chess}} is in redlinked Category:Unassessed chess articles of ¬-importance. Most, if not all, the talk pages that transclude that template are in something similar - see Category:FA-Class chess articles of ¬-importance, Category:GA-Class chess articles of ¬-importance, Category:B-Class chess articles of ¬-importance, etc. I'm guessing that they should be in Category:B-Class chess articles of Mid-importance, or similar. What causes this, what should be done to fix it? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed it with this edit -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

Wikipedia:WikiProject Ancient Egypt broken banner

Our banner for Wikiproject Ancient Egypt, Template:WikiProject Ancient Egypt, is giving us crap for an unclear reason. It displays all B ranked articles as C ranked. For example, see Talk:Ahhotep_I. I really know nothing about editing templates, but it was suggested that we ask over here for help. Thanatosimii (talk) 02:38, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

It was due to the banner including the B-Class checklist parameters. I've removed them with this edit and now the banner shows the B class on that page. -- WOSlinker (talk) 06:58, 10 August 2010 (UTC)

Christianity project banner

I am considering updating the Template:WikiProject Christianity so that it can indicate, and categorize, the various articles which are being used for the various portals associated with Christianity. Those portals include the Christianity, Anglicanism, Baptist, Bible, Book of Mormon, Calvinism, Catholicism, Christadelphian, Christian metal, Christian music, Christianity in China, Christmas, Creationism, Crusades, Eastern Christianity, Latter-day Saints, Lutheranism, Messianic Judaism, Narnia, Oriental Orthodoxy, Pope, Saints, Seventh-day Adventist Church, and Vatican City portals. I am personally at a loss regarding how to make such substantive changes to the banner to accomodate all such portals. Any assistance would be very, very greatly appreciated. John Carter (talk) 21:08, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

There are some portal features in {{WikiProject Comics}}, {{WikiProject Aviation}} and {{WikiProject China}}. Would any of them work as a starting point which could then be customised further to meet your needs? -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:00, 22 August 2010 (UTC)

file vs. image, still both categories out there, some within the same project

I'm not quite sure how this ended up, but is the {{class mask}} for FQS now defaulting to "File-Class", instead of "Image-Class", or are both still implementing, with a yes/no parameter required? Just wondering, because several projects have both categories out there, like: Category:File-Class rail transport articles and Category:Image-Class rail transport articles. I'm wondering if I should redirect the Image cat to the File cat, or does the {{WikiProject Trains/class}} page (which is protected) need to be corrected instead? Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 00:25, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

That is (just guessing) most likely caused by the images int he later category still calling it "images" and only showing File superficially on the front-end, compared to former category actually using "file", Although that probably should get fixed, it would caused a lot of empty categories I would be guessing, and a far bit of load changing all those categories around. Peachey88 ^{(T · C)} 01:59, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

See WP:RIF/WT:RIF. Those are the last few stragglers... –xeno^talk 02:35, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, you're right. Since July the class mask is defaulting to File-class. I regard this sluggish movement of pages between categories as a bug. The majority moved over fairly quickly, but I don't think the job queue can be blamed for the others taking so long. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:53, 2 September 2010 (UTC)

Marvelous, I didn't realise this was finally being done. :) I was only aware of the "no concensus" outcome of the initial CfD. PC78 (talk) 12:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Case sensitivity of parameter names

I was just trying to assign an article a wikiproject class. I have done this several times and would have thought it could be a fairly intuitive exercise, having read the criteria for assigning articles. But to get the 4 permutations of upper and lower cases of "Class" and the letter signifying the value right took me... yees, you guesssed it, 4 goes. And then there was getting the order of the quality and importance right to please the templates.

I presume there's a master template for the plethora of minor wikiproject categorization templates (many unfilled, perhaps not helped by this tediousness). Wouldn't some template wiz feel great about disposing of unnecessary case (and order) sensitivities to help move this along a bit smoother? Trev M  ~  12:38, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Suggest this at Template talk:WPBannerMeta. –xeno^talk 17:51, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Always good to get a bit nearer to the business end of things – thanks Xeno.

So, here's that thead copied to here. Any thoughts? Trev M  ~  19:24, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

This can't be done at WPBannerMeta. It needs to be done at all the individual project banners. For example replacing

|class={{{class|}}}

with

|class={{{class|{{{Class|}}}}}}

would then mean that it works with class= and Class= . -- WOSlinker (talk) 19:31, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I notice the words "getting the order of the quality and importance right to please the templates" in your original post. I'd like to mention that since |class= and |importance= are named parameters, the order in which they are given is completely immaterial (see here).

What matters is that both the spelling and capitalisation of the parameter names should be exactly as per the template's documentation. Further, the same named parameter cannot occur twice: for example, if you put

{{WikiProject Tulips |class=c |importance=low |class= }}

the second |class= overrides the first, so the talk page goes in the "unassessed tulips articles" category.

Most, if not all, project banners are completely tolerant about the capitalisation of parameter values; so |class=c is treated as if it were |class=C; but I don't know of any that would allow |Class=C. There seems to be a convention that parameter names are almost always entirely lowercase, with the capitalised form only used for proper names: for example, {{WikiProject Trains}} has |Scotland=, but not |scotland=. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:02, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

I don't think this is an issue; template parameters are generally assumed to be lower-case. Changing them to recognize upper-case and lower-case (i.e., class= versus Class=) has no purpose, in my opinion. Intelligentsium 00:15, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

The parameter is lower case but the value is not. It's correct to have class=C. I also don't think it's an issue but perhaps some WikiProjects have an issue like the above Scotland= example WikiProject Trains. Regards, SunCreator ^(talk) 00:26, 4 September 2010 (UTC)

It is only an issue at WP banner templates that use the upper case for parameters, and don't remember to double-code it to take both uc and lc characters. Maybe this could be pointed out in the TF setup instructions, somewhere? --Funandtrvl (talk) 20:19, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

The original poster is not complaining about case-sensitivity of parameter values, but of parameter names. Most WP banners have at least five parameters - the standard-ish ones being |category=, |class=, |importance=, |listas=, |small=; and I don't know of any banner templates that are coded to allow variants on these five such as |Class=.

On the other hand, the values of these five are normally passed through to {{WPBannerMeta}} completely unaltered, which handles all five in a largely case-insensitive manner; so |class=c is identical in effect to |class=C whatever the banner. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:35, 7 September 2010 (UTC)

Open tasks

Would it be possible to add an "open tasks" parameter, so that instead of just saying that there will be a list of open tasks, it might say something like "a list of open tasks"? AliveFreeHappy (talk) 00:43, 28 September 2010 (UTC)

That should be possible. Just to be clear, are we talking about the /todolist hook? Could you give some context like tellings us which project's banner or page you would like to change? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:33, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Actually that wasn't the hook I'm talking about - that seems to be a to-do list for the page the banner is on. I was thinking more of the phrase see a list of open tasks. that appears in the banner and replace it with see a list of open tasks. for projects, like WikiProject Firearms, that have a to-do list that applies to the project, not the article. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 16:28, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

I've made a change in Template:WikiProject Firearms/sandbox. If you like it, you can open it over to live. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:19, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Sweet. Do I just cut/paste it from the sandbox to the existing template then? AliveFreeHappy (talk) 22:26, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

WP:TEMPTEST is a good one to read. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:31, 30 September 2010 (UTC)

Yes, that's all that needed doing. I've done it now though. -- WOSlinker (talk) 06:57, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, I hadn't had the chance to do it yet. Looks nice. AliveFreeHappy (talk) 16:07, 1 October 2010 (UTC)

Task force quantity

• User talk:Black Falcon#Hi : )
• User talk:Happy-melon#Poke
• User talk:Xeno#Coding question
• User talk:MSGJ#Question

I'd like to ask:

a.) If anyone knows why the template is limited to only 10 task forces (or if that was just an arbitrary choice)

b.) Would someone be willing to change it to 20, or even better, come up with a dynamic way to do this that doesn't have a coded upper thresh hold.

Any help, advice, ideas would be welcome. - jc37 22:45, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

10 was fairly arbitrary, but given how easy it is to add further multiples of 10, don't see much benefit in increasing it. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:57, 4 October 2010 (UTC)

That may be because you're a fairly proficient coder : )

Not everyone is.

Also, I would guess that changing these to 20 would encompass most current WikiProjects' workgroups/taskforces. And when they need more, then multiples of 20 would be possible.

Is there any particular reason to not make the change? - jc37 01:56, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Any number that we chose would be equally arbitrary. At least 10 is consistent with the number of notes on the notes hook, and actually that is enough for the majority of projects. Moving to 20 might help yours (but not really because that is sorted now) but there are still several with much larger numbers that could never be supported by one hook: {{WikiProject Christianity}} has 36; {{WikiProject Japan}} has 32; {{WikiProject Australia}} has 40. If you ever need help with the template, you can always post here and someone will sort it for you. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:03, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

I realise that there are others with more. Military history was the one I was looking at.

And wouldn't multiples of 20 just be easier for them as well? I looked at how some projects are coding this, and to say it's complex doesn't begin to cover it. And from what I can tell (though I'll admit to not being an expert at template coding), not everyone is coding them using your hooks method. So perhaps going to 20 might help with that as well. (And I would guess that anything we do to reduce the well-meaning usage of parser functions would be a plus too?)

So anyway, you've said that 10 was arbitrary, so if I or someone else were to boldly change it to 20, that wouldn't break anything. Am I understanding correctly? - jc37 17:43, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

If it gets upped to twenty, then twenty sets of parameters are needed which bloats the meta template - as opposed to simply tacking on a next set of ten via a hook. Perhaps a better solution would be to provide a "for dummies" instruction manual on how to properly use hooks? –xeno^talk 17:52, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

Formatting problems with {{WikiProject Multi-sport events}}

{{WikiProject Multi-sport events}} works fine, except for one thing: Even though the |MAIN_CAT parameter is defined by Category:WikiProject Multi-sport events articles, all articles fall instead under Category:WikiProject Multi-sport events, which is the parent category. ANGCHENRUI ^Talk♨ 05:50, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Of course, you know something must be wrong with the template if all the articles tagged under it are listed in Category:WikiProject banners with formatting errors. I'm not sure if there is only one problem, the one I stated above. ANGCHENRUI ^Talk♨ 05:51, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

It seems to be working fine now? The categories may take some hours/days to update themselves. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 08:55, 9 October 2010 (UTC)

Alright, everything's good now. Thanks, ANGCHENRUI ^Talk♨ 05:36, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Requesting help - quality assessment of Template:WikiProject Asia not working

God help me, I can't figure out where I went wrong right away, but I clearly did somewhere. If someone can make the class assessment appear and function in the above banner, it would be very greatly appreciated. Thank you. John Carter (talk) 16:04, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

See the second box down, first bullet 'The QUALITY_SCALE parameter is set to "subpage" but there is no custom class mask held at /class. Therefore the quality scale has been switched off.'. Either create that page, or amend |QUALITY_SCALE= to either "standard" or "extended". --Redrose64 (talk) 16:36, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Yep, that did it. Egregious fawning thanks are generally looked down upon, understandably, even when they are deserved, so I hope a "thank you" is received well. John Carter (talk) 16:45, 11 October 2010 (UTC)

Problems with this template

It has been brought to my attention that there are a number of problems with the use of the this template on WikiProject banners. I am going to try and fix some of these items myself but I am not the greatest wikicoder out there so any help would be appreciated.

1. We need to fix the problems on the todo list
2. This template needs to be modified to allow for more task forces than five. Several project have a lot of task forces and this template should allow for that.
3. Several projects use custom fields and it is believed that using this template means they cannot use their custom fields. I do not believe that to be the case so if anyone can give me an example of a project that does I would appreciate it. --Kumioko (talk) 00:53, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

1. I have removed the to-do list for now. Those items were not "problems" as such but ideas for future development, mainly by Happy-melon quite some time ago.
2. It is easy to support more than 5 taskforces. See #Task force quantity for some more background on this.
3. Of course, any custom fields can be supported. Most project banners have been adapted to suit their own needs.

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:27, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks, thats what I thought. One project tried to tell me that they couldnt use this template because they had custom fields. After looking at Template:WikiProject Canada though I see that was absurd. One last question. Is it possible to display the project links in line like this Project 1, Project 2, Project 3, etc rather than the way they are displayed in most projects?--Kumioko (talk) 13:39, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't understand. Could you rephrase that question? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:09, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

No problem but I think it will make more sense if you see what I am talking about. If you take a look at Talk:U.S. Route 30 and expand the Banner for WikiProject U.S. Roads you will see that they use an inline approach rather than stacking the projects like Template:WikiProject Canada. I was wondering if this template allows for that? Its no big deal really, im not tryin to make them convert Im just wondering. --Kumioko (talk) 15:45, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

That functionality could be supported. It would be best to create it as a subpage template and then inserted into the banner via a hook parameter. There isn't a hook parameter in exactly the same location at present but one could be added. -- WOSlinker (talk) 16:02, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict) Ah, I see what you mean now. The inline display of taskforces/sub-projects is not an approach which has been followed by any other project so far. A more common method is to put the taskforces into a collapsible box (see Template:WikiProject Philosophy for an example of this). If the project wanted to retain the current structure then it would be a little more complicated but I'm sure we could rig something up. You'll notice that from time to time I have worked on a WPBM-version of the roads template. It's not finished yet as I got sidetracked, but all of the notes/alerts are ready I think. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:06, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

Thanks fro clarifying. I appreciate it. They mentioned that the banner didnt support their needs and I found that suspiciously unlikely and thought I would ask. --Kumioko (talk) 17:23, 2 November 2010 (UTC)

2 main categories?

How do I get a banner to transclude two main categories? I am using this code. It works on the talk pages, but it is returning the "Category not found" message on the template:

|MAIN_CAT = All New York City public transportation articles{{)!}}{{)!}} {{!(}}{{!(}}Category:New York City public transportation articles not covered by another WikiProject

— Train2104 (talk • contribs • count) 23:52, 3 November 2010 (UTC)

Just put the first in MAIN_CAT and then after the WPBannerMeta template put the following:

{{WPBannerMeta/hooks/cats
 |category={{{category|¬}}}
 |BANNER_NAME = {{subst:FULLPAGENAME}}
 |cat 1=yes
  |CAT_1      = New York City public transportation articles not covered by another WikiProject
}}

WOSlinker (talk) 07:48, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

I've changed it in Template:WikiProject New York City Public Transportation for you. -- WOSlinker (talk) 07:52, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Is there a way to line up things?

Is there a way to line things up using this template so they dont look so messy. For example. On {{WikiProject United States/sandbox}} the portals are all aligned to the right making the banner look rather messy. I would like to align the portals to the left so they all start at the same point on the column. --Kumioko (talk) 15:14, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Do you know of another banner where the portal boxes are left-aligned? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:19, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

No I dont unfortunately. --Kumioko (talk) 20:26, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

{{WPBannerMeta}} calls {{WPBannerMeta/core}} which calls {{portal}}, where the default is right-aligned. It is possible to left-align portal boxes, {{portal|Trains|left=yes}} produces

but the parameter is undocumented, so may be unreliable or deprecated; further, there is presently no way of passing that through from a project banner that uses standard portal techniques.

Something that can give a neater effect, and still be right-aligned, is to combine the portals into a single box: {{WikiProject Trains}} uses a special subtemplate for this, {{TrainsWikiProject/portalbox}}; you can see the effect at Talk:Royal Oak tube station which has three portals. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:34, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Thats great thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 21:41, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

Could you take a look at {{WikiProject United States/sandbox}}. I dont see a way to invoke the portal align left switch. --Kumioko (talk) 21:49, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

There isn't one. To pass |left=yes into {{portal}} needs modifications to both {{WPBannerMeta/core}} and {{WPBannerMeta}} which is one of the reasons that {{WikiProject Trains}} ignores the standard portal methods (such as the |PORTAL= parameter of the {{WPBannerMeta}} template, and the {{portal}} template itself) completely. If you examine {{WikiProject Trains}}, you'll see that it handles the portals by squeezing {{TrainsWikiProject/portalbox}} into the |MAIN_TEXT= parameter of {{WPBannerMeta}}. --Redrose64 (talk) 22:33, 30 November 2010 (UTC)

You can also add the call to {{portal}} to the TF_n_TEXT parameter instead. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:57, 1 December 2010 (UTC)

Idea: {{portal box}} - how suitable is this? Will check later. --Redrose64 (talk) 00:09, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Thats a good idea but ideally I would like the portal to be inline with the wikiproject it goes with. I would just prefer it was left aligned instead of right aligned. --Kumioko (talk) 01:31, 4 December 2010 (UTC)

Testcases page using shell problem

Hi - on the testcases pg for WPUSA, in the example using the WPBS, see: [3], just wondering why the box containing "This WikiProject banner uses..." is not collapsing into the shell? It used to before. --Funandtrvl (talk) 16:50, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Fixed by adding category=no to suppress the extra box. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:35, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Auto importance and class for Category and Template pages

I would like to suggest that this template auto populate the class and importance of categories and templates. The class for these should always be either Category or template as applicable but some pages have them as Stub, start, ? etc.

The importance should also be set as NA. There is no need to set the importance to these as Low, mid, high or top but some currently have this. --Kumioko (talk) 17:26, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

It already does set the class & importance automatically but it can be overridden by setting the parameters when adding the banners to the talk page. -- WOSlinker (talk) 17:32, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

(edit conflict)The present behaviour depends on two things, one being the way that the banner is set up, the other is the way that it is used.

Taking usage first, if the banner is placed on a category/template talk page, the only way that it will show as start/stub/etc. is if the banner is explicitly given |class=stub etc.; and the only way that it will show importance as low/mid/etc. is if the banner is explicitly given |importance=low etc. If these parameters are omitted, then the class and importance are set automatically, to Category-class/NA-importance or Template-class/NA-importance.

Considering the set-up: if the banner passes |QUALITY_SCALE=standard, or omits that parameter, then Category-class and Template-class are disabled, and use of |class=cat will result in NA-class, as will the omission of |class= when the banner is placed on a category talk page. --Redrose64 (talk) 17:39, 15 December 2010 (UTC)

Redirect class articles become NA class

For some reason the Category:Redirect-Class Dacia articles that we created end up in Category:NA-Class Dacia articles. Unless we did something wrong, looks like a bug. We are using {{WikiProject Dacia}} which is derived from WPBannerMeta --Codrinb (talk) 19:53, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

I think I fixed it for ya. I added a custom class mask and a couple of other things. Let me know if you still need some help. --Kumioko (talk) 20:27, 27 December 2010 (UTC)

Thanks a lot! --Codrin.B (talk) 04:28, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Portal switch question

Is there a way to add the "yesno" template to this code for the portal switch on {{WikiProject United States}}, so that parameters with "DC=Yes" or "District of Columbia=Yes", which use the upper case "Yes", will also take on the switch from the USA portal to the Washington, D.C. portal? The template is only recognizing the switch when the lower case "yes" is used, and I'm not familiar enough with the coding needed to do the job. Thanks.

|PORTAL = {{#ifeq:{{{District of Columbia|{{{DC|}}}}}}|yes|Washington, D.C.|United States}}

--Funandtrvl (talk) 17:57, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

|PORTAL = {{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{District of Columbia|{{{DC|}}}}}}}}|yes|Washington, D.C.|United States}}

--Redrose64 (talk) 18:33, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thank you!! It worked!! Is there a page on WP or m: that explains how to use the "lc:" function? --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:41, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Why not just |PORTAL = {{yesno|{{{District of Columbia|{{{DC|}}}}}}|yes=Washington, D.C.|def=United States|no=United States}}? Happy‑melon 18:45, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, is there a difference between the results in using one or the other templates, or will there be an equal computational result? --Funandtrvl (talk) 18:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Details of {{lc:}} are at WP:MAGIC#Formatting.

{{yesno}} will be "hungrier" than just using {{lc:}}, because it not only pushes the value concerned through {{lc:}}, but also performs some other checks. It treats "n" and "0" as equivalent to "no"; "y" and "1" as equivalent to "yes"; it also recognises blank values as equivalent to "no"; and other values as equivalent to "yes". These last two can be configured to be treated differently. It can then (as Happymelon demonstrated) be used to yield any two result strings, not just "yes" or "no". Finally, it handles the special character "¬" as a separate case. --Redrose64 (talk) 20:36, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Thx for the explanation & the pointer to the help pg! This is probably way beyond my comprehension. :) --Funandtrvl (talk) 21:08, 9 January 2011 (UTC)

Other languages?

Can this be used on another language Wikipedia? I am hoping to use it on the Romanian Wikipedia, together with the assessment. If not, can anyone point me to what would it entail to translate/adapt this to another language? Thanks! --Codrin.B (talk) 22:15, 4 January 2011 (UTC)

Multiple portals

Is it possible to have two or more portals listed using this template? --Codrin.B (talk) 04:29, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Yes; see, for example, the {{WikiProject Trains}} banner on Talk:London Paddington station. --Redrose64 (talk) 13:14, 24 January 2011 (UTC)

Taskforce portal

{{WikiProject Washington/sandbox}} - I can not get the Seattle Taskforce to show the Seattle portal link. Help? --AdmrBoltz 21:13, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

The portal for taskforces only works on the hooked version. I've updated the sandbox to use the hook. -- WOSlinker (talk) 21:38, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. I figured I was missing something. --AdmrBoltz 21:44, 12 February 2011 (UTC)

To-do list

Resolved

 – Redrose64 (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

In {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/article todolist}} why does the image on the left show as a link (File:Stock post message.svg) not the actual image? --Redrose64 (talk) 17:07, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

No idea. It seems to behave like that on every page not just that one. is showing as a link not an image. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:02, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Further investigation shows it's not confined to English Wikipedia, nor Wikipedia in any language - but all WikiMedia projects such as Wikiversity. Have raised a thread at commons:Commons:Help desk#Non-displaying image, because they're hosting the image. --Redrose64 (talk) 18:36, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

They've fixed it on commons, and I've purged {{WPBannerMeta/hooks/article todolist}}. It should (slowly) roll out now. --Redrose64 (talk) 21:48, 14 February 2011 (UTC)

Sorting Seems To Be Broken, Again

I know that |listas= calls {{DEFAULTSORT}} and that in the absence of an explicit sort value a page will be sorted by the PAGENAME. Why, on the fourth page of Category:Biography articles without listas parameter, does Talk:Aaron Sangala follow Talk:Azzo Alidosi? JimCubb (talk) 19:37, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

See Wikipedia:Village pump (technical)#categorically random categories. Looks like updateCollation is still running on enwiki.[4] ---— Gadget850 (Ed) ^talk 19:51, 10 March 2011 (UTC)

Hidden TOC

A problem at Talk:Boeing 707 was that the talk page table of contents appears hidden inside the comment box in the Template:WikiProject Aviation. I removed the level 2 header (==Foo==) on the comment subpage at Talk:Boeing 707/Comments and the toc now appears in the correct place. No idea of the cause but I just thought I would raise it here to see if it is a template issue, thanks. MilborneOne (talk) 19:09, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes this is a common problem and the simplest way to fix it is exactly what you have done. It's a problem inherent with this system of transcluding /Comments pages because the TOC will display, by default, before the first heading on a page. The longterm solution is to stop using them altogether and it's about time I got round to implementing that! Any volunteers to help? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:18, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

• Dropping /Comments pages should be no real problem, but Good Article (/GA) review pages might be a different matter. -Fnlayson (talk) 21:58, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

How can I get a report of a specific project articles with incomplete B-class checklists?

Also asked there, after a while I was directed here... --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 16:32, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

I don't know if there's anything on the toolserver that'll help you with this, but as an alternative solution one could create a maintenance cat and add code to {{WikiProject Poland}} which would bucket all pages with the b1–b6 parameters set to "no" (or missing altogether, depending on what you mean by "incomplete") into it. It's the same principle used to populate this category. Hope this helps,—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 14, 2011; 16:44 (UTC)

Could somebody who knows wikicode better than I implement it for WikiProject Poland? For our use we would like the list of articles which are class B or C and do not have the checklist at all, or it is not filled. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 18:45, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Actually, come to think of it, it's not that difficult to implement. I've added the code to {{WikiProject Poland}}, and Category:WikiProject Poland articles with an incomplete B-Class checklist should start to populate soon (depending on the server lag). I left the cat red on purpose in case you want to rename it (if so, just change the cat name in the WP:POLAND's assessment banner code. The cat will include all C-Class articles, and all B-Class articles for which either b1, b2, b3, b4, b5, or b6 parameter are left unfilled. Will this work for you?—Ëzhiki (Igels Hérissonovich Ïzhakoff-Amursky) • (yo?); April 14, 2011; 19:56 (UTC)

See Template_talk:WPBannerMeta/hooks#Checklist_tracking_categories. -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:28, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested edit to WPBannerMeta/note

Please edit {{WPBannerMeta/note}} from

Code removed for readability

to

Code removed for readability

to remove the hyperlink from the note image (the only change is the addition of |link= to the end of the line containing Note icon). Thanks! — OwenBlacker (Talk) 00:01, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

I've moved your proposed code to Template:WPBannerMeta/note/sandbox (sandbox diff) to aid readability. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:32, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Something similar was previously discussed in archive 8. The reason that it wasn't implemented at that time was the belief that non-public domain images need to be properly attributed and a link to the file description page is the only practical way to do this. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:39, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

One more item to get from the template

Thanks to those who helped implement the incomplete B-class category for WP:POLAND. We have one more question: can we get a list of articles that are assessed as stub but do not have a stub-template in the main body? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:06, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

Sorry there is no way that a template can automatically detect whether a stub template is on a page. For that you would need to use toolserver or something similar. Or you could perhaps request a report at Wikipedia talk:Database reports. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 16:27, 19 April 2011 (UTC)

Proposal: IMAGE_NEEDED parameter

Folks, I'd like to resurrect this earlier discussion about formally adding an "image-needed" parameter: Template talk:WPBannerMeta/Archive 8#Support for an image-needed parameter.

I like MSGJ's proposal here:

• IMAGE = a yes/no parameter to trigger the image category code
• IMAGE_LOCATION = an optional location to pinpoint where a photograph may be found
• IMAGE_CAT = a default image category for this WikiProject if the IMAGE_LOCATION category does not yet exist
• IMAGE_DETAILS = extra text describing specifically what the requested image should include

We have learned from working on organizing image requests that it's critical to support a location parameter, and even more than one if possible (IMAGE_LOCATION_1, IMAGE_LOCATION_2, IMAGE_LOCATION_3, etc). Without that flexibility, image request categories quickly become flooded and useless (e.g. 5,700 articles currently in Category:Ireland articles needing images.

I don't personally think that the IMAGE_CAT "default category" feature is critical, but if it's easy to implement then by all means it seems like a good idea :-)

In response to a question in the earlier thread: it turns out that an IMAGE_DETAILS parameter really is useful. An article may already have several images, but if an editor feels it's important to find a specific image (e.g. in the case of an architect or artist, an image of the author's better-known works), then it helps a lot to be able to specify clearly in the banner what image has been requested. Otherwise, another well-meaning editor may come along, see that the article has images, and helpfully remove the image request notice.

Feedback solicited on this idea. Is this proposal plausible? I have done some template coding and can try to contribute a suggested patch, but it would probably be better for someone more familiar with the WPBannerMeta code to take a stab at it. —Tim Pierce (talk) 15:56, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

This would be a good idea and I'm glad someone is taking a stab at it. I can't remember why I didn't pursue this in 2009, but if I can be of assistance let me know. By the way, not sure why but traditionally we use lowercase for names of parameters which are simply passed to the meta, and uppercase for those containing the custom settings. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 17:04, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Feedback: NEEDS-IMAGE

Following discussion in 2009 and revived last month, I've added support for a "needs-image" parameter in the sandbox, and would like to hear feedback before proposing to edit the template.

The relevant diffs are:

• to {{WPBannerMeta}}: diff
• to {{WPBannerMeta/core}}: diff

The new parameters are:

• needs-image - (passed in from the toplevel template) a yes/no trigger that adds an image request to the banner.
• image-location - (passed in from the toplevel template) a location where a suitable image might be found. e.g. image-location=Wisconsin adds the article to Category:Wikipedia requested photographs in Wisconsin.
• IMAGE_CATEGORY - specifies a default image category, e.g. Category:Ireland articles needing images. If the category specified by the image-location parameter does not yet exist, the photo will be put in this category instead.
• image-details - (passed in from the toplevel template) a description of what specific image is desired.

Example of how a WikiProject banner might implement these:

    {{WPBannerMeta
      |PROJECT = Flibbertigibbet
      |BANNER_NAME = Template:WikiProject Flibbertigibbet
      ...
      |needs-image={{{needs-image|}}}
      |image-location  = {{{image-location|}}}
      |image-details   = {{{image-details|}}}
      |IMAGE_CATEGORY  = Wikipedia requested photographs of flibbertigibbets
      ...
    }}

One thing I would like to fix is that I think image-location should not override IMAGE_CATEGORY. For non-geographical wikiprojects, e.g. Wikipedia:WikiProject Dogs, the default category would be something like Category:Wikipedia requested photographs of dog breeds. An article about a very specific breed of dog only found in one part of the world might add image-location, but that shouldn't take the article out of the master category. It's not clear to me how to fix this cleanly in the WPBannerMeta code -- I'm open to ideas. —Tim Pierce (talk) 05:05, 30 May 2011 (UTC)

Nice work. A few comments:

• The template uses attention rather than needs attention and infobox rather than needs infobox. Should the needs image parameter match this? Similarly the template uses CAT rather than CATEGORY for all other categories.
• Is the image-details actually used/useful? I've noticed that several banner templates use this construction but haven't really observed it being used much though. We should only code basic stuff; anything complicated or specific to few projects can be added by using a note.
• About always using the default category (as well as any image specific category), would this behaviour be always desirable? Or just sometimes?
• Additional categories could be added to the text parameter or at the end of the note code. But the proper category opt-out code should be used.

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:03, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Personally I would favour |needs-image= and |needs-infobox= over |image= and |infobox= because of the ambiguity of the latter - does |infobox=yes mean that it needs an infobox, or that it has an infobox? See, for example, Template:WikiProject UK geography/doc#Deprecated parameters. --Redrose64 (talk) 11:39, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, the internal parameters used by the template are not necessarily related to the actual parameters which are fed into the template. For example Template:WikiProject Ireland currently uses the following syntax:

|infobox={{{needs-infobox|}}}

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:53, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Good questions. My thoughts:

• I used needs-image and IMAGE_CATEGORY for the sake of clarity. I realize that these parameters are not exposed to the end user; I don't really have strong feelings about the exact name of these parameters when and if they're ultimately implemented.
• We've found, with the {{image requested}} template (formerly {{reqphoto}}), that an image-details parameter really is useful, particularly for articles which already have one more more images. In such cases, the "details" parameter helps to clarify for other editors that there is an outstanding request for some specific image, and that the image request shouldn't be removed until that image has been supplied.
• The default-vs-specific category is a tricky question. I think it's important to allow image requests to be categorized both by subject and location (e.g. "image request of a train station" and "image requests in Germany"), and they shouldn't override each other. So perhaps the template should support both IMAGE_CAT and IMAGE_LOCATION, and each instance of a banner template could override these with "image-category" and "image-location" parameters.

—Tim Pierce (talk) 19:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Okay, I can understand all these answers. But this is getting complicated and so we should perhaps reconsider adding it to the main template. How about putting all this functionality into a "hook" which could then be called via HOOK_NOTE? Then it is almost as easy to use and we don't have to worry about complicating the main template. Two different types of category might work - how about TOPIC_CATEGORY and LOCATION_CATEGORY? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 18:12, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

I've made a start on this, feel free to pitch in. Something else I thought about was a {{{type}}} parameter to allow for other types of images (e.g. maps). — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:03, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

That makes sense. I'll look at the hook code and see if I can understand it well enough to comment on it usefully. :-) —Tim Pierce (talk) 15:45, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

I've finished the coding, but haven't tested it yet. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:56, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Is there a way to manually resize an Icon?

In {{WikiProject United States}} a couple of the WikiProject icons (namely library of congress and United States Government) have icons that are smaller than the others. I would like to manually resize them to make them slightly bigger and easier to read. Is this possible to do and if so how do I do that?--Kumioko (talk) 18:09, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

 Done Nevermind its fixed now thanks. --Kumioko (talk) 19:03, 3 May 2011 (UTC)

FM class

There was a recent discussion about creating a FM (Featured Media) class at Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals)#A new class for Featured media. This has now been done. What is still being discussed is adding FM to the extended class list by default. Anyone with comments about this should make them over on the Wikipedia:Village pump (proposals) page rather than here though. -- WOSlinker (talk) 22:04, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Are there any instructions as to how to enable {{FM-Class}} in individual WikiProject banners? Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 02:59, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

There are still a couple of key files that need to be modified before it will work properly. I added 2 to the discussion because I don't have the ability to edit protected templates. Once these are updated I think it will work. --Kumioko (talk) 03:09, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, Template:Class mask/doc contains this information, although it could perhaps be clearer. (Example.) I would argue against including it in the extended scale, until we see how widely this new class is adopted. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 11:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Class issue

Template:WikiProject_Turtles/class is empty and the template uses the extended class set. However, if you put |class=fm into the banner it comes up as NA class. Is there anything that I need to do to fix this? Is there any way to include this as a standard class so we don't need to add fm to the custom class list project by project? cheers --Guerillero | My Talk 04:55, 8 June 2011 (UTC)--Guerillero | My Talk 04:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Currently, the only way to use FM-class is to set up a custom class mask at the /class subpage. There was a suggestion above that this new class be included in the "extended scale" set but this has not been done yet. The problems with retrospectively adding a class to a set are:

• Suddenly there are a huge number of categories which need creating.
• In addition, every project using this set will get a big warning box on their banner template, telling them that a category needs to be created.
• You are imposing a class on many projects that may not necessarily want it.

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:57, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Where would it be best to get a consensus to add this to the extended list of classes --Guerillero | My Talk 19:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

We can still add it to the turtles project without adding it to the extended classes if you are interested in doing that. --Kumioko (talk) 20:00, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes please. I would but I don't know all the needed formatting. --Guerillero | My Talk 21:09, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

• I think there should be a step-by-step guide somewhere that tells users how to use FM-Class, even if their banner does not use a custom class mask, to avoid a string of similar question popping up in the future. Titoxd^{(?!? - cool stuff)} 23:10, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Your right of course. I fixed the WPTurtles one so that should be working now. --Kumioko (talk) 23:52, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Animation

Hi, I have worked at Template:WikiProject Animation myself many times before someone is protected by admin, including the 6 B-Class checklist like WikiProject Anime and manga and WikiProject Horror. Yes, I have worked at the WikiProject Animation banner too much, and added some work groups back in November though March since many of the Animation related WikiProjects have gone inactive like WikiProject American Animation, WikiProject Warner Bros. Animation and WikiProject Cartoon Network which went inactive, and I've converted into work groups of WP:ANIMATION. I am not really happy about the indefinite protection of the template, and I should have been an admin myself. Recently, I have added the A-Class parameter, and added new work groups including Cartoon Network and Hanna-Barbera. I have a sandbox at my user page which I had been working myself to ensure it is working correctly. JJ98 (Talk) 23:16, 7 June 2011 (UTC)