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I'm back

Hay, im back. Do you know if there is a article that tells you how to turn sources into references?? If i could do that then i could be on storm with sourcing my edits, including on The Cars album The Cars, and Just What I Needed etc... Well let me know if you know one, take care! — Preceding unsigned comment added by MajorHawke (talk • contribs) 00:22, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Well some teeny things such as Good Times Roll, should not have to have a source for quote"The guitar riffs can be described as Art rock, and the guitar solo has a Rockabilly lick."unquote. Your right, it's not always acceptable, especially when im going around rapidly adding and changing things, which put's alot of pressure on you because you might have to be the one to report me to the admins (which, i see you already did, Template:Nono). I get the feeling you think of me sometimes as a vandalist, well actually im just a normal person, I play the guitar (im left handed "like Elliot Easton, which fascinated me since i was a kid". I just like to see that The Cars song articles get fair genres because alot of people dont know how wikipedia works and expects everything to be a fact, iv'e seen the worst and best of wikipedia. But you cant expect me not to edit for today or whatever, it's like telling a musician not to play. But i'll try not to put to much unsourced stuff. I really want to change The Cars article genres because i get the feeling their a little to long: I want to change them to, Rock
Hard rock
New wave
Power pop
Poprock. but i guess they can wait a while, and thanks for showing me how to format sources, take care! MajorHawke (talk) 00:56, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

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RfA

This just makes it official. :) Acalamari 16:24, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! I will get started answering the questions. 28bytes (talk) 16:45, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

You'll certainly get my support (You would have had it last time, but you withdrew before I had the chance ;-) -- Boing! said Zebedee (talk) 17:05, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks BsZ! If all goes well it should go live on Tuesday. 28bytes (talk) 17:08, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Hey there, I saw that you're preparing your RfA. (I know because I watch User:X!/Tally for some reason.) I'm definitely going to support you this time, once you transclude your RfA. —mc10 (t/c) 23:48, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks, I appreciate it! I'm waiting 'til Tuesday to transclude it, since I'll be around then to answer any optional questions that may come along. 28bytes (talk) 23:59, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I'll be happy to support this round! You have clearly developed enough experience to wield the mop. Reaper Eternal (talk) 00:06, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I appreciate the vote of confidence. 28bytes (talk) 00:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Looking forward to this! Paul Erik ^{(talk)(contribs)} 00:22, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! 28bytes (talk) 10:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Glad to hear this. Good luck. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 01:16, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you! 28bytes (talk) 10:56, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

No prizes for being first to support, but luckily I just came to WP and checked my watchlist two minutes after you transcluded! Good luck. Pedro :  Chat  14:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! It's funny, I was up at 5 AM local time and checked to see if you, Acalamari or HJ were online, and was thinking "come on, all y'all are in the UK, it's 10 AM there, you should be up by now!" 28bytes (talk) 14:42, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

You edit conflicted me twice Pedro. :( Steven Zhang ^{The clock is ticking....} 14:43, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Sorry Steven I shall try not to make anymore tweaks! Pedro :  Chat  14:45, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Looks like you're in but then you never know. —Soap— 15:44, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Yeah, I hear ya. :) 28bytes (talk) 15:53, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Sources

Yeah, but as you might have seen, there are numerous references that ive added and still havent been formatted including in The Cars, and The Cars album. So thats why i just wanna learn myself. Take care! MajorHawke (talk) 22:58, 3 June 2011 (UTC)

I just figured out how to format sources correctly, and it worked (The Cars (album))! MajorHawke (talk) 02:26, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Excellent! One tip: when you're dealing with references, you're usually better off if you click on the "edit" tab on the top of the page instead of the edit button near the "References" section title, since that way you can preview the whole page. The references section can be a little tricky to edit by itself, since it depends on content from other parts of the page.. 28bytes (talk) 11:09, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Thank you

For watching over. Take care. Dr.K. ^{λogosπraxis} 15:23, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

Glad to help. 28bytes (talk) 15:25, 4 June 2011 (UTC)

No template duplication

I'm not duplicating Talk Archive. I'm just going to get a new archive template ready, because there dosen't seem to be enough. — Preceding unsigned comment added by BewarePETeacher (talk • contribs) 22:07, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

What is the difference between Talk Archive and the one you want to create? 28bytes (talk) 22:17, 5 June 2011 (UTC)

User talk:Tigerjojo98

This user had no reason for this. Hope my warning on his/her talk page was correctly worded.Jasper Deng (talk) 03:31, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

His comment was definitely out of line, but don't feel like you always have to respond to such things. 28bytes (talk) 03:48, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Also, in general you shouldn't remove people's comments from their own talk page. That's what escalated the Pangurban1 situation, remember? 28bytes (talk) 03:53, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Then tell me where's the line for that - drawing the line has been always hard for me.Jasper Deng (talk) 04:50, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Well, feel free to ask Kansan or me if you run across another case where you think redacting/deleting an editor's comments on their own talk page is warranted. In general, it's not a good idea, but as with most anything in life, there are exceptions. As a side note, what is your opinion on the content of Tigerjojo98's article edit that you reverted? It was unreferenced, but do you believe it was a good faith edit? 28bytes (talk) 05:11, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Actually, according to WP:TPO: "Personal talk page cleanup:' On your own user talk page, you may archive threads at your discretion. Simply deleting others' comments on your talk page is permitted, but most editors prefer archiving." So you are allowed to remove comments, to show that you have read them, but you generally should not, unless their posts are harmful. —mc10 (t/c) 17:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Sure, deleting comments from your own talk page is fine... but it's best not remove comments from other people's talk pages unless there's a really good reason. 28bytes (talk) 18:20, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Definitely good faith - just not knowing what to do.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:14, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

In that case, did you consider helping him finding sources for what he added? Take a look at this edit to an article I used to watch. I could have just reverted it as unsourced, but instead I did a quick Google search and was able to find a GameSpot article that supported the addition, so I added that as a source. 28bytes (talk) 05:22, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Gave him links to policies - apparently, however, simple in-text links don't help.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:23, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Yes, but did you help him find sources? Do you believe his edit would have been fine if it had a supporting source included, or were there other objections you had to the edit? 28bytes (talk) 05:27, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

The only other problem is that the movie summaries given were a bit too over-detailed. It was clear that the user had sources (implying that when saying "well-sourced" on his/her talk page) but did not know how to put them in.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:29, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Ah, well that's easy enough to fix. If he actually has sources, you can help him format them correctly, right? In looking over his other contributions, most are clearly original research and were correctly reverted, so please don't think I'm saying all his edits are OK, just that if there are edits that are unsourced but would otherwise be OK, finding sources for them would be a helpful thing to do. 28bytes (talk) 05:38, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

If the user is being serious with his/her statements that he/she has sources, then I should tell him/her how to format (Mojoworker already provided two links), but otherwise, I should try to find sources.Jasper Deng (talk) 05:42, 6 June 2011 (UTC)

Look at it this way, if a quick search for sources turns up something useful, you've helped him improve the article, and if it doesn't turn up anything, then that will help your case that the edit shouldn't be made. 28bytes (talk)

6b

I tend to think that we are a bit too conservative with negative information and BLPs. If the one source in question felt it relevant to mention in an otherwise positive piece, I would lean toward keeping the (sourced) information there. Removing it certainly wouldn't be wrong, it's just not what I'd likely do... Hobit (talk) 18:48, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Fair enough. (And thanks for the reply.) For me, I think the context would be key; if, in the 6b example, the jail time was mentioned as a defining event in the businessperson's life that inspired them to do all the good work they're getting coverage for, it would be fair to keep it in the article with that context, but if it's just something dumb they did 20 years earlier, with no bearing on their current notability (such that it is), it'd probably be best left out, IMO. So depending on the context, I might end up agreeing with you. :) 28bytes (talk) 18:54, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

User talk:AllanEdwards999

Did I bite this user? Was I being too provocative?Jasper Deng (talk) 23:18, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

As discussed above, I'd really prefer it if you didn't remove people's comments from their own talk page without asking someone first. 28bytes (talk) 23:22, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Here it was a blatantly obvious case of PA that led to a longer block. Did I do something wrong?Jasper Deng (talk) 23:24, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Blatant PA or not, I recommend you get a second opinion before doing something like that. It's aggravated situations in the past, hasn't it? Surely you don't want to deliberately irritate people? 28bytes (talk) 23:26, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Let me just put it bluntly: Do not ever remove other people's comments from their own talk pages. If you don't like it, don't look at it. Removing their comments will just inflame the situation. Reaper Eternal (talk) 23:29, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Right. In any case, I'm Ohnoitsjamie's TPS, and, I felt the user had overstepped the line after the warnings. Here, the situation was different - where the user had been purely disruptive (in contrast to Pangurban1 (talk · contribs)). Intervening next time (by you) might help me on this in the future.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:30, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

I'm going to revise what I said earlier, and go with Reaper Eternal's phrasing instead: "Do not ever remove other people's comments from their own talk pages." OK? 28bytes (talk) 23:34, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

Except if I'm removing outing of another user.... maybe??Jasper Deng (talk) 23:35, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

If there's outing, e-mail an administrator and they'll revdel it if they think it's warranted. 28bytes (talk) 23:37, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

What I'm talking about is things like USer talk:Tatababy.Jasper Deng (talk) 23:40, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

No. Eagles 24/7 (C) 23:41, 7 June 2011 (UTC)

RfA

Brilliant answer! It would be great if more candidates would do it. I'll probably cite this somewhere over at WP:RFA2011. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 05:40, 8 June 2011 (UTC)

Thanks. (And thanks for the support, by the way.) I find that disagreements of most kinds are best handled one-on-one, at least initially, and it's seldom helpful for everyone to try to chime in at once. 28bytes (talk) 05:53, 8 June 2011 (UTC)