Wikipedia:Arbitration/Requests/Enforcement/Archive89
AmiAyalon1969
| Indefinitely blocked for abusing multiple accounts in a highly contentious topic area. EdJohnston (talk) 18:25, 8 May 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning AmiAyalon1969
Since the user switched proxies, the reverting has continued. All of these reverts are in addition to the ones above: RolandR below gives diffs of another set of reverts at Homs. nableezy - 14:54, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
None, 1RR stipulates blocking without warning is allowed
Block
Ill note that this is an obvious sockpuppet that should be indeffed on that basis (my guess is a puppet of AFolkSingersBeard (talk · contribs · deleted contribs · page moves · block user · block log). But until that happens, this is a basic violation of the 1RR.
Discussion concerning AmiAyalon1969Statement by AmiAyalon1969I didn't begin this little bruhaha. If you look at my edit history you will see that a coterie of editors began shouting "SOCKPUPPET!" and "reverting all edits on sight". I would love to be able to engage in Wikipedia editing under a better atmosphere, a more "collegiate" atmosphere, but I never got the chance (one of them actually BLOCKED MY IP!). So I simply played their game and began undoing all their edits - or "edit-warring", if you will (not that it had any effect, as the gang is much bigger, as you can see). I find it quite hilarious how quickly this group jumps on a new member to prevent any editing of articles they seem to feel a sense of ownership over. AmiAyalon1969 (talk) 06:14, 8 May 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning AmiAyalon1969AmiAyalon1969 is engaged in fresh reversion of the same text at Racism in the Palestinian territories: 04:31, 7 May 2011 and 04:15, 7 May 2011 in violation of 1RR and without any attempt to justify the material on Talk. Ditto on Judaization of Jerusalem at 04:22, 7 May 2011. No attempt to address process or respect/engage with the discussion here.--Carwil (talk) 08:46, 7 May 2011 (UTC)
yes, you are allowed to ban him and block him and give him 20 lashes without warning, but please - we have all seen much worse things get by with little or no punishment at all. so, why not explain it to him, give him 24 hours and then see what happens? if he is still edit warring, then fine - go for it. full blast. Soosim (talk) 18:06, 7 May 2011 (UTC) Comment on AmiAyalon1969's comment - The probability of sockpuppetry is approximately 1. The probability of a sockpuppet lying = 1. I'm not aware of a single case out of the very large number of sockpuppet cases in this topic area where the editor hasn't blatantly lied in response to questions. When discussing matters with a sockpuppet there is no reason to believe anything they say about anything at all, so there is no reason to even talk to them or negotiate with them other than to collect further information about their linguistic, editor harassment and article targeting "tells" so that they can be more readily identified in the future. It isn't a question of whether they are edit warring or correcting spelling errors or wanting a more "collegiate" atmosphere. Nothing they do or say has any validity because WP:SOCK is a policy. They can't be here and they can't do anything. Revert, block and ignore is the way to minimise disruption. As has been said many times, assume good faith is not a suicide pact. Sockpuppetry is a persistently destabilizing influence on the I-P topic area, it's probably the thing that causes the most disruption and yet the topic area is largely unprotected from its negative effects. An obvious sock is obvious but the parent "sockmaster" account often isn't known which precludes filing an SPI report. We have what look like obvious socks editing in the I-P topic area and apparently no mechanism to deal with them efficiently. They make thousands of edits. They cause conflict across multiple articles. They harass editors. Disposable sockpuppet accounts are commonplace in the I-P topic area. They're used for feint retreats as we have seen here. There is a brief engagement with "the enemy" to draw fire followed by an attack via noticeboards or whatever by like minded editors acting in support of the sockpuppet. When aggressive POV pushing editors make a couple of thousand neutral, encyclopedic edits in areas outside of the conflict zone to articles about the arts, technology, science etc they will have earned the right to a more "collegiate" atmosphere. Sean.hoyland - talk 06:52, 8 May 2011 (UTC)
Result concerning AmiAyalon1969
Tnxman307 (talk · contribs) has blocked the proxy this user is using to edit. We can leave this open for a bit longer, but I don't see a need to block the account right now. T. Canens (talk) 23:32, 6 May 2011 (UTC)
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Nableezy
| No action taken. T. Canens (talk) 06:04, 7 May 2011 (UTC) |
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Request concerning Nableezy
Gaming of the restriction:
Enforcement of this restriction requires no warning, but the user's activity on the board makes it clear he is quite familiar with it - see the request right above this one as one example.
Indef Topic ban
This user was until recently subject to a fairly lengthy topic ban (4 months), which came after numerous other shorter topic bans and blocks for edit warring in the topic area. During his 4 month topic ban, he contributed very little - around 120 edits to main space. Since the topic ban expired, he resumed right were he left off - hundred of edits, the vast majority of which are reverts, edit warring, using this board and others as a WP:BATTLEGROUND, and as the diffs above indicate -gaming the system. He just does not get it. @Malik: Yes, consecutive reverts count as one, and this is one revert with a timestamp of 19:38, 5 May 2011 (the earlier revert having been "canceled out of existence" by the revert timestamped 20:46, 5 May 2011.) But even if we were to generously apply the timestamp of the last revert, this would make it yet another case of gaming, with the revert occurring at 24hours + 54 minutes. With regards to 1948 Palestinian exodus, it may very well be that some else might have reverted AmiAyalon1969 - but that is beside the point. The point is that Nablezzy violated 1RR by not waiting for that someone else to do so. There are rules here, and he is not exempt. @Sean: The editor who Nableezy reverted has not been blocked, I guess that makes you a liar. There is no exemption in 1RR for reverting what you consider "CAMERA Crap". You edit war and break 1RR - you get blocked. The rules should apply to Nableezy like they apply to everyone else.
Notified: [7] Discussion concerning NableezyStatement by NableezyI reverted an obvious sockpuppet a bit early, so I self-reverted after checking the timing in the history. I then waited until the 24 hours was up. Ill note that the obvious sockpuppet's open proxy has been blocked by checkuser. I also note that the filing editor fits the profile of Mr. Hicks The III (talk · contribs), but that is another matter. There was no "gaming" here. I reverted an obvious sockpuppet a bit early. My revert of brewcrewer's edit took place at 18:29, 5 May 2011 not 21:12, which was a self-revert. That places all reverts outside of 24 hours. The most troubling thing here is the seemingly endless supply of sockpuppets and the willingness of certain user (cough cough, look above) to use those sockpuppets to their advantage. nableezy - 20:54, 6 May 2011 (UTC) Comments by others about the request concerning Nableezy
Result concerning Nableezy
No action taken. Reversion of likely sockpuppet edits, blocked or not, are exempted from xRR rules. The fact that a checkuser determined that there is sufficient evidence to warrant a check is conclusive on this point. T. Canens (talk) 06:03, 7 May 2011 (UTC) |