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Where did Kuwait go!?

Where is the sub section on Kuwait - in other countries impacted I think the protests were somehow impacted by the Jasmine revolution - in the fact that until then stateless people there feared their opressers and din come out to protest. And I guess that section needs to be there. We have every nation except UAE and Qatar (thats justified), so Kuwait has to be there! --Pranav (talk) 18:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Check the history. Probably someone dropped it accidentally while restructuring into "Other countries impacted" vs "Other regional incidents" sections. Boud (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2011 (UTC)
Found it in an old version and pasted it into other regional incidents since that is where it seemed to fit best due to it's light content. May want to double check to make sure it is still up to date. Cheers, Veriss (talk) 01:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan and Armenia

There have been protests in both Azerbaijan (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/11/us-azerbaijan-protest-idUSTRE72A43I20110311) and Armenia (http://www.eurasianet.org/node/62983) where anti-government protesters have explicitly linked their protests to protests going on in other states such as Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc. Should some info be included about these protests? Should Azerbaijan and Armenia be added to the map? It is arguable whether these countries are MENA countries or not, so... Vis-a-visconti (talk) 00:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Support - This is one of the reasons to expand the article to the Greater Middle-East.--Smart30 (talk) 03:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The article could perhaps either be re-named to '2010–2011 Greater Middle East protests' or even to '2010–2011 West Asia and North Africa protests'. Vis-a-visconti (talk) 03:16, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Please see above, if you want to propose a title change start a move request to get consensus, there has already been a war raged on the title lets not have another one. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:33, 15 March 2011 (UTC)
Support - I second what Smart30 said. These simply aren't MENA issues anymore...they're almost all of Asia, and certainly a vast majority of the Greater Middle East. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 19:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - I would support '2010–2011 Greater Middle East protests' as a new title for the page, although strictly speaking, I don't think a change is absolutely necessary in order to include Armenia and Azerbaijan; Turkey has a significant Armenian minority and it's considered part of the Middle East, and Azerbaijan shares a name with provinces of Iran (which also boasts a sizable Azeri minority). Geopolitically, they're closely linked to the rest of the Middle East, and the only reason they're sometimes left out is because there's a popular insistence on identifying every former Soviet socialist republic as such. -Kudzu1 (talk) 12:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Done with consensus. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)
We need a map change to reflect the agreement. Somalia should be re-colored and Armenia put in Orange, Azerbaijan in yellow.--Smart30 (talk) 01:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
Sure...provided we can cite sources that note the unrest in those countries as part of the revolutionary wave starting with Tunisia. For Somalia in particular, I understood them to be long-running unrest, unrelated to THIS wave. ZeLonewolf (talk) 02:35, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

already in impact article

Adding Armenia and Azerbaijan to the map for this article seems fine to me.

However, adding prose (text) sections to this MENA article would mean recycling the unending discussion of "which geographically further locations are 'related' to the Tunisia/Egypt revolutions? Where do we put them if the 'relations' are existent but not so strong (well RS'd)?" After much wasted energy in AfD's, we finally converged on the "Impact..." article. My suggestion: first of all, add notable developments to:

At the moment these are placed (arbitrarily) in the Asia section there, please discuss on Talk:Impact_of_2010–2011_Middle_East_and_North_Africa_protests arguments for/against shifting to the Europe section. AFAIK either would be acceptable (based on wikipedia regional templates).

Secondly, if the events in one or either become notable enough, then they can split off "Impact..." into their own articles.

Boud (talk) 15:33, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

(minor edits changing section to subsection of previous section: Boud (talk) 22:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC), Boud (talk) 22:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC))

Separate Yemen

Well the Yemen uprising is listed down in the list (of the other nations impacted), but yemen has gone really severe.... The fragile peace that Saleh mantains with the northern geurillas might as well be broken, and the nation could plunge into civil war with who knows factions but thats my speculation Anyways things have gotten out of hand ever since the army started backing the protesters http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1568024.ece http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/8480/World/Region/Dubai-says-bid-foiled-to-ship-,-guns-to-Yemen.aspx


So its way more severe than the other nations - maybe it should be separated out to the top!

Lets have a vote! --Pranav (talk) 16:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Until Yemen descends into actual civil war or Saleh resigns (making the protests effectively a revolution) I am opposed to any separation. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 17:33, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - first off, WP:NOVOTE. Secondly, the incidents in Yemen have not had the kind of global visibility that events in Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya have had. ZeLonewolf (talk) 20:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - not necessary. Al Jazeera (the main provider of News on the ground since Tunisia's revolution) only has one man on the ground in Yemen.--Smart30 (talk) 00:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - That's based on some degree of conjecture. - NickGrayLOL (talk) 21:06, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Yemen can be split when it is declared split. DerekMBarnes (talk) 07:13, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page cleanup

I think some of the discussions in the Name Specific Discussions section could be closed and archived. I would do it, but I lack the know-how. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 00:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Just promote them to top level discussions and the bot will do it automatically.ZeLonewolf (talk) 14:36, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
How do I do that? (closed 3 discussions regarding the name) - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
Use 2 equals signs instead of 3 around the title. 138.162.0.42 (talk) 21:22, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Morroco major protests

Hundreds of thousands (350K protesters) on March 20, therefore major not minor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Moroccan_protests

There are several sources provided on its wikipedia page for you to see if need

Please change to orange

Zenithfel (talk) 23:21, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Info Box Mispelling

In the Info box Listing of causes 'Secterianism' should bespelled 'Sectarianism'. This is unless arabs are really big fans of David Secter. 165.112.60.131 (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Move Requested -- to: 2010-2011 Arab world protests

The following discussion is an archived discussion of a requested move. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the move request was: Not moved. (Closed after this section was archived, to prevent this request from showing up at WP:RM.) Ucucha 02:06, 28 April 2011 (UTC)


2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests → 2010-2011 Arab world protests — We already list all other countries in the "Impact" page, and the protests in Iran (main reason for the name change have died). Rename, and move Iran to the Impact.

Narrow? Does including only Iran makes it wider? 173.245.84.243 (talk) 22:50, 20 March 2011 (UTC)
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Timeline

The Guardian has a great timeline: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/mar/22/middle-east-protest-interactive-timeline Perhaps it would be useful to the article's editors. Jmj713 (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed - but the timeline does have few loopholes...it for starters doesn't take into account anything in Oman at all! or in Kuwait!--Pranav (talk) 17:58, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I am terribly sorry if I am using this improperly, but I by no means know how to use wikipedia for any sort of editing, despite consulting it often. This being said: just a question/suggestion - why has the timeline of protests been interrupted? It stops, I believe, around 20 Feb... In my view it would make sense to keep it updated - maybe it might become indeed very long, but then perhaps a summary type timeline of protests can be kept in this article and a new more extensive article can have a more expanded timeline. Thank you for your time and I apologize for any inconvenience. -hf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.166.63 (talk) 17:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Western Sahara

Sahrawi people protested and rioted in November of 2010, forcing Moroccan forces to quash the possible rebellion. What evidence is there that points to Western Sahara protests inspiring the Tunisian protests? --Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People (talk) 06:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Please search the archives of this talk page. This was extensively discussed.--216.70.233.34 (talk) 02:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Syrian government has resigned

Believe that qualifies Syria to turn blue on the map. -Kudzu1 (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

concur for speedy change, this is clearly a governmental change. ZeLonewolf (talk) 14:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Where is the image at commons? When I click on it here I get to other articles. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

It is here: [1] ZeLonewolf (talk) 14:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Agree. 140.247.12.151 (talk) 16:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Support. The government has resigned, so Syria should be blue for "governmental changes". Vis-a-visconti (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Consensus reached and change made. Changes still need to be made to the table and article. ZeLonewolf (talk) 23:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Changed table - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 12:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Color for Palestinian Territories

The current map has West Bank & Gaza as blue, which I'm pretty sure is NOT correct. What should it be? I must have colored it inadvertently while making some other change. ZeLonewolf (talk) 11:12, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

·I think that it is blue due to this

"Palestinian territories In the Palestinian Territories, Haaretz suggested that an announcement by the Palestinian Authority on 1 February to hold municipal elections in July is in reaction to the anti-government protests in Egypt. On 14 February, the Palestinian Authority's Prime Minister Salam Fayyad and his Cabinet submitted its resignations to President Abbas[271] amid pan-Arab calls for reform. Abbas tasked him with forming a new government after consultations with other factions, institutions and civil society groups.[272] The reshuffle was long demanded by Fayyad and some in Abbas's Fatah faction.[273]"

BTW, IMO i think that it could be better yellow or grey. Protests and terrorism attacks are related to politic of Israel, more than supporting changes in the politic of Palestinian Territories —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.216.157.20 (talk) 13:03, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Blue should be when the entire government resigns except for the top guy. This is what happened in Jordan and Yemen. Nobody quit in the PA.68.174.124.18 (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Category:2011 Libyan uprising

The related Category:2011 Libyan uprising has been nominated for renaming You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page.

65.93.12.101 (talk) 11:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Changing the name

I suggest to change the name to "2010–2011 Arab world protests", which will be shorter and have the same meaning. --MR.HJH (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

North Africans are not Arabs.Czolgolz (talk) 16:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Highly debatable as most North Africans are Arabs or arabized Berbers (which are considered Arabs). Anyway not the place to discuss this - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 17:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Yes, they are. Macarion (talk) 05:09, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
More important, Iranians are not arabs--194.65.151.101 (talk) 16:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Color for Kuwait

The entire cabinet resigned, but the PM was given a mandate to form a new one. What color does this make it?68.174.124.218 (talk) 12:49, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

That resignation seems unrelated to the current revolutionary wave. See Al-Jazeera article - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 23:25, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
Related in as much as it was connected with discontent over Kuwaits involvement in the GCC action in Bahrain. I say change it to blue. --Dudeman5685 (talk) 02:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Do you have WP:RS that backs up your claim and links the resignation of the Kuwaiti cabinet with this revolutionary wave? - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 08:14, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Overview Map - Golan Heights

I have noticed that in the overview map the Golan is portrayed as part of the state of Israel. Although in the world map of the "state of Israel" page it is not regarded as part of the state. Is there a concrete Wikipedia policy regarding the border status of the Golan? As you all know, the Golan Heights were "annexed" to Israel in 1982, though it is still considered a part of Syria by the UN security council members.

Jewish West Jerusalem and the Sea of Galilee are considered by part of the UN to not be part of Israel.Ericl (talk) 12:20, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Ivory Coast protests

Unlike Libya's novice revolutionaries, Ivory Coast's New Forces have territory, uniforms, heavy weapons - and a clear leader [2], BBC Radio [3], NY Times[4] Chicago Tribune[5], and [6] USchick (talk) 05:10, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

A comparison with the Second Ivorian Civil War is irrelevant here - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 09:46, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Oh, didn't know about that article. Should it be referenced here with "Other regional incidents"? USchick (talk) 14:05, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
The situation in the Ivory Coast has in no way been influenced by the MENA protests. The civil war there is not related to the Arab protests, and Ivory Coast is not part of the Middle East and North Africa. No referencing here - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 23:44, 2 April 2011 (UTC)

Requested move -- to: Revolutions of 2011

The following is a closed discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

The result of the proposal was not moved. Consensus that the proposed title is too specific and see andrewa reasoning below. --rgpk (comment) 21:24, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests → Revolutions of 2011 — 69.31.51.141 (talk) 23:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

  • Agree: per nominator. 69.31.51.141 (talk) 23:40, 25 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Agree: this is the most important move. --Smart30 (talk) 10:09, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose: revolutions are too specific; it would include only 2-3 countries and not the whole revolutionary wave. ZeLonewolf (talk) 12:23, 27 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Comment: actually it describes perfectly the impact of the protests, and it describes the events in 5 countries: Tunisia, Egypt, Yemen, Libya and now Syria.--Smart30 (talk) 05:47, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose: Its certainly an improvement upon the current, highly cumbersome title, but I agree with ZeLonewolf about it being far too specific and excluding nations such as Kuwait, Sudan, SADR, Morocco, Algeria, Mauritania, Djibouti, Jordan, Palestine, Iraq, Iran and others. My main qualm with this titling is the fact that it implies that any revolution that happened in 2011 would come under the scope of this article. What we really need (as I have already suggested but was archived and not closed after four rather than fourteen days of lapse) is a title which defines the scope of this article according to a title which links the protests to their common source. Laika Talk: Laika 06:13, 29 March 2011 (UTC)
Any revolution that has happened in 2011 DOES come under the scope of this article. If that changes, then we can reassess the situation, but for now, that's completely irrelevant. Macarion (talk) 05:03, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Calling the article "Revolutions of 2011", implies that the article's contents are nothing more than a rag-tag collection of unrelated incidents, simply linked by the fact that they were revolutions in 2011, with no guiding narrative. This article is about a revolutionary wave, as defined by sources and the Wikipedia article, ignited by the Tunisian self-immolation. It does matter whether revolutions 'might happen in other countries', despite the fact that they haven't -the point is that we need to link the protests according to something meaningful, not where they are in the world, which year they took place, what the outcome was, or anything else that doesn't tie them to where it all started. Laika Talk: Laika 15:23, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Name too general. 2011 is not over and revolutions might happen in other counties, totaly unrelated to this specific revolutionary wave. Also, agreed with Laika and ZeLonewolf - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 12:20, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
It does not matter if revolutions "might happen in other countries." They haven't happened yet. Macarion (talk) 05:03, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
It does matter, as Revolutions of 2011 is too vague a name, and it can include any revolution that will happen in 2011 (and thus borders on WP:Crystal). Also, it does not accurately reflect the current ituation, as only 2 of the many MENA countries have actually seen a complete revolution. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 09:31, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Oppose - Per Laika1097. This title also would also imply that there were revolutions in all the countries that have had protests, which is not the case. If anything I'd say that "2010-2011 Middle East and North Africa protests and revolutions" would probably be the most accurate title, but I think that is needlessly lengthy. --nn123645 (talk) 05:48, 31 March 2011 (UTC)
It would imply nothing of the sort. Another article should be created for the other "protests." Macarion (talk) 05:03, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
No, another article should not be created for the protests as that would split this revolutionary wave into 2 articles - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 09:31, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
  • Support - The revolutions are the important things here. Another article should be created for the "protests." It's absolutely absurd that we're still calling the subject of this article "protests." Macarion (talk) 05:03, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
As I have previously iterated, if we were to do this we would be arbitrarily dividing the same movement. That would be absurd. Laika Talk: Laika 15:33, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
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What about Qatar?

a few weeks ago, there was a mention that a protest was planned in Qatar that may or may not have happened, but now there is no mention of it. This news is very similar to the UAE, who are mentioned. IMHO, if you mention the UAE, you have to mention Qatar.--184.77.10.72 (talk) 18:34, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

As it did not materialize, it is not relevant to this article. the UAE is mentioned due to intellectuals calling for reforms. No such calls were heard in Qatar.--Smart30 (talk) 02:08, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
There was an attempted coup in February, which was partly inspired by the protests. It failed, and was listed here for a while until someone took it down.Ericl (talk) 12:23, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Source? This is the first I've heard of it. DerekMBarnes (talk) 23:36, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Yes, there was a coup attempt in Qatar which is worth mentioning in the article. sources : http://www.ennaharonline.com/en/international/5904.html , http://english.ruvr.ru/2011/03/03/46914201.html and http://www.mysun.co.uk/go/thread/view/88618/27159985/coup-in-qatar-aborted?pg=1#488195577. GM25LIVE (talk) 09:23, 4 April 2011 (UTC)
A coup attempt that apparently had nothing to do with popular protests does not belong in an article about the MENA (popular) protests IMO, even if it should be verified.--Roentgenium111 (talk) 10:23, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Minor protest

Jordan, Algeria, Djibouti, Iran, Iraq should all be changed to minor protests. These countries are in no way comparable to Bahrain Pass a Method talk 23:46, 3 April 2011 (UTC)

Everything is comparable to everything else. And all of the contries mentioned by you saw big protests when you take into account numerous factors like the size of the country, the repressiveness of the regime, and so on. But I do agree, the distinction between Minor and Major is a bit POV. Somebody once sugested merging Minor and Major into one single color (Protests) - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 15:47, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Why did the North Cyprus pseudostate protests were removed? As irrelevant

As irrelevant I suppose... Hail, oh Hail turkish intervention. Spartacus Marat —Preceding unsigned comment added by 85.74.105.53 (talk) 10:39, 4 April 2011 (UTC)

Changing the map

First of all, sorry about my english. I have thought that it could be interesting changing the color of countries like Yemen, what about changing it, into a "lined" color that combines red (major protests) and blue (governmental changes) and in Jordan and Oman, yellow (minor protests) and blue (governmental changes). It seems that in these countries only are happening governmental changes, but the reality is different.

I have thought in something like this

http://thumbs.dreamstime.com/thumblarge_140/1176872571HvtO7w.jpg

Thanks and congratulations for this article!

Support - I think it's a good idea. The current scheme unfortunately suggests that government changes are the end of protests, which isn't what we've seen in Yemen or Syria. -Kudzu1 (talk) 01:15, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - too complicated. Blue perfectly describes the situation: unrest has resulted in government change. If continued unrest leads to a revolution, then we can make it dark blue. ZeLonewolf (talk) 01:49, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - It's a good idea, but maps like that are usually too complicated to figure out. Please keep contributing though. Czolgolz (talk) 02:17, 30 March 2011 (UTC)
Support - This will not be too complicated at all. And the blue color does not "perfectly describe the situation." Macarion (talk) 05:11, 1 April 2011 (UTC)
Comment - Come up with an alternate map (as has been done previously), and we can consider it. Otherwise, voting is a waste of time. ZeLonewolf (talk) 01:09, 2 April 2011 (UTC)
Support if someone bothers to make it Ansh666 (talk) 07:25, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Support - Support for the same reasons stated above. --Smart30 (talk) 13:45, 5 April 2011 (UTC)
Oppose - too complicated. It isn't necessary to say that this country has had minor protests, major protest, a government change and a revolution while this other country progressed directly from minor protests to revolution. The important fact is that a revolution occured in both. Only the most severe level of unrest present in each country need be shown. --Khajidha (talk) 16:16, 8 April 2011 (UTC)

Western Sahara flag

Why has it a flag again? Has this consensus on use fo 'noflag' template changed and when/where? Alinor (talk) 15:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Removed (again). Thanks. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 20:46, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Djibouti: minor or major?

In the summary table, the djiboutian protests are listed as minor, yet in the map it's featured as a major protest. So, which one is the correct one? - 79.113.91.8 (talk) 09:59, 11 April 2011 (UTC)

What are the criteria for determining if it is a major or minor protest?

Because as of now, it seems rather, well, subjective. Perhaps we should say if protests draw X number of people for X number of days within X amount of time, they are considered major protests. It's just that there seems to be no clarification of what is considered major or minor. And what is major or minor depends on the editor. Editor A may think that protests in a certain country are just minor spats, whereas Editor B may see them as demonstrations of historic proportions. So are there some guidelines on what makes a protest major or minor? Lilly (talk) 01:45, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

There is no criteria, it's propaganda rhethoric actually, I mean the Iranian protests which were only 2 days, in which hardly a thousand students turned up (just look at the "timeline" on the article itself, the last 2 weeks, they update every day, but there hasn't been a single protest, only quoting of some officials have been saying) and in which only 3 people were killed is labelled as "major" next to the protests in Yemen, Egypt, Tunisia, Syria, in which hundreds of people have been killed, is just ridiculous and clearly politically motivated. Also I take a major issue with the name of this article, this is the Arab World protetest, the Arab Spring, this is how it's called in all media, but WP found the need to somehow re-name it "Middle East and North Africa protests," merely so that they can include the completely irrelevant student protest which took place in Iran, months ago. But I'm afraid we'll have to wait months before any objective editing can be done here.Kermanshahi (talk) 21:04, 12 April 2011 (UTC)

Infobox photo

A collage of photos from several countries would be good, not just Cairo.--93.137.14.197 (talk) 14:10, 5 April 2011 (UTC)

Pictures from multiple countries would be good, not just Egypt, but not really a collage … Elium2 (talk) 14:48, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Iv'e done so with the pictures from articles, quality pictures are needed for a better collage.
  – HonorTheKing (talk) 15:18, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
Which pictures? We need some form of a description (top left: Protesters in Tahrir Square. top right: …) — Preceding unsigned comment added by Elium2 (talk • contribs) 15:06, 15 April 2011 (UTC)


Okay, I can't find the right two pictures anywhere … Maybe a collage of the protests from Egypt, Tunisia, Libya and Syria? Elium2 (talk) 15:16, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Updates needed

Here are some sources:

Hope it helps -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 08:23, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

Thanks! I included info from the Reuters article in the Other regional incident (UAE) section. The other article, concerning Saudi Arabia, might be of use in the 2011 Saudi Arabian protests article. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 10:33, 15 April 2011 (UTC)
Cool. Maybe someone can use the article about Saudi to update the page about the protests. I have added it to the talk page there. -- The Egyptian Liberal (talk) 18:47, 15 April 2011 (UTC)

This map

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010%E2%80%932011_Middle_East_and_North_Africa_protests#Overview

I think it would be better to split the "Government Change" colour into two different colours. My reason for this is because Jordan and Oman didn't experience much unrest and violence before they changed the government. Syria and Yemen have experienced very violent unrest. 99.231.200.55 (talk) 11:51, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Here is my proposal for the colours:

1) War

2) Violent major rallies

3) Peaceful major rallies

4) Minor rallies

5) Minor occurrences and failed attempts to instigate (noticeable) unrest (bloggers, immolators)

I think government changes, sackings, resignations and overthrows should be pointed out separately through a marker of sorts. I think it notable to differentiate between deadly clashes in Bahrain, Syria and Egypt, where some protesters are armed, and deaths in protests like Saudi Arabia, Oman, Algeria, Iran and Iraq where the main cause was disproportionate security force. There are also the clashes between pro's and anti's in Jordan, while in Yemen the clashes have been between defecting soldiers and republican guards. UltimateDarkloid (talk) 09:57, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

Iran status

The table says minor protests, but the map says major. The discrepancy needs to be resolved one way or the other. ZeLonewolf (talk) 16:48, 14 April 2011 (UTC)

Djibouti has a similar discrepancy of presentation. --Khajidha (talk) 14:10, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

self-immolations section disappeared

where has the section gone. As a reader I want to see it again.--78.3.221.157 (talk) 10:18, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Burkina Faso uprising

News reports tend to be very unclear but there is some sore sort of protests/uprising/revolt/revolution going on in Burkina Faso right now, including a curfew on Ouagadougou and some reports that Blaise Compaore has fled. Is this part of the wave of protests that we've seen here or is it seperate? How about an article, 2011 Burkina Faso uprising, based on the French version or its translation here Metaknowledge (talk) 14:35, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

If it's inspired by the MENA protests, it should be included here: Impact of 2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests#Burkina Faso -ArnoldPlaton (talk) 18:10, 17 April 2011 (UTC)

Is article netural?

I read the article and believe it violates WP:NPOV as it seems to portray the subject in a positive light. Will someone else check this out?KeeperOfTheInformation (talk) 20:44, 16 April 2011 (UTC)

It's a fair question, but for the most part the article seems factual to me. Even though one senses that the author(s) are favourable toward the opposition, they don't express an ideology for either side; and for the most part they seem to have written the article as an historical chronology. If you have some feeling that the facts are incorrect, please give specifics, but otherwise my feeling is that the article is balanced. Beecher70 (talk) 16:13, 18 April 2011 (UTC)

self-immolations section disappeared

where has the section gone. As a reader I want to see it again.--78.3.219.109 (talk) 14:57, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

All past revisions can be going to the article, and then clicking the "View History" tab. -download ׀ talk 15:00, 22 April 2011 (UTC)

West Bank and Gaza protests not in the table

Gaza had its March 15 protests against Hamas and the West Bank had protests in various cities against the occupation. 131.111.185.1 (talk) 08:32, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Great map

I was wondering where I could find a simple map to help wrap my head around the movements developing in the Arab world, and I knew I could count on Wikipedia's contributors to present this information in an informative, comprehensive way. The map and table featured in this article are great. Thank you! 99.35.43.157 (talk) 20:17, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Yemen

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-middle-east-13178887

Just if you didn't know~, 68.58.76.65 (talk) 20:56, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Saleh says he's going to leave within 30 days, should we change the color of Yemen on the map?--Dudeman5685 (talk) 22:50, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

I say not until he actually does. This part of the world has had a history of empty promises. For all we know, it's bluster. Until the government change happens I think we need to leave it as is. ZeLonewolf (talk) 01:08, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Good point. There have been reports that he's "about to step down" for weeks. --Dudeman5685 (talk) 02:32, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I was wondering this myself. I'm not sure that the "scale" used on this map is as good as it could be. I mean, what precisely defines the line between "revolution" and "governmental changes" anyway? Technically, Mubarak did resign after all, yet Egypt is classified a "revolution". And if both "governmental changes" and "major protests" have happened, which takes precedence? In Jordan, the governmental changes came first, then there was a lull in activity (which has picked up again). What if the "governmental changes" are relatively minor? And what exactly is the difference between a "major" and a "minor" protest? Having a map to visualize this data is a great idea, I just don't think this one (or the chart) are as good as they could be. Cheers. Brianski (talk) 07:14, 24 April 2011 (UTC) (minor edits Brianski (talk) 07:17, 24 April 2011 (UTC))

Syria -> Major Protests

Syria has got to be considered "Major Protests" instead of "Government Changes" --> they've just killed enormous numbers of people in Homs and the whole anti al-Assad segment of the country is mobilizing. 130.64.139.141 (talk) 21:05, 23 April 2011 (UTC)

Governmental changes are a step higher than major protests, so you're actually downgrading the status. Besides, the map is colored blue. TL565 (talk) 22:03, 23 April 2011 (UTC)
There probably should be something distinguishing Jordan, where protests were minor, from Syria, where there were major protests. Whitesoxman (talk) 00:23, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
It's practically on the verge of armed rebellion. Government changes was intended to be the more severe status. ZeLonewolf (talk) 01:06, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I also find the blue color a bit misleading. That Jordan – where government changes were made early on, and things have calmed down almost completely – and Syria – where minor concessions were made, but the government is now killing their own people – should have the same color seems absolutely perverse. The severity of the protests should overrule whatever symbolic concessions the regimes choose to make. Keep in mind: in most of these states, the cabinet tends to be a powerless entity controlled by the despot. So a change in government is really not that big of a deal. Lampman (talk) 01:41, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
I agree, I have thought about this long time. Syria and Yemen should be categorized in something similar to Pre-revolution. I am not good at names but both "Government Changes" AND "Major Protests" are not correct for both countries. "Government Changes" is according to the map a step higher than "Major Protests" but in this case you have countries like Jordan, Kuwait and Oman where nothing big happened. Tonemgub2010 (talk) 20:36, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
Based on my last comment I have now opened a new section recommending opening a new status for Syria and Yemen: Syria & Yemen = New map status --Tonemgub2010 (talk) 18:00, 24 April 2011 (UTC)
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