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Where did Kuwait go!?

Where is the sub section on Kuwait - in other countries impacted I think the protests were somehow impacted by the Jasmine revolution - in the fact that until then stateless people there feared their opressers and din come out to protest. And I guess that section needs to be there. We have every nation except UAE and Qatar (thats justified), so Kuwait has to be there! --Pranav (talk) 18:03, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Check the history. Probably someone dropped it accidentally while restructuring into "Other countries impacted" vs "Other regional incidents" sections. Boud (talk) 21:40, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Found it in an old version and pasted it into other regional incidents since that is where it seemed to fit best due to it's light content. May want to double check to make sure it is still up to date. Cheers, Veriss (talk) 01:56, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Azerbaijan and Armenia

There have been protests in both Azerbaijan (http://www.reuters.com/article/2011/03/11/us-azerbaijan-protest-idUSTRE72A43I20110311) and Armenia (http://www.eurasianet.org/node/62983) where anti-government protesters have explicitly linked their protests to protests going on in other states such as Tunisia, Egypt, Libya, etc. Should some info be included about these protests? Should Azerbaijan and Armenia be added to the map? It is arguable whether these countries are MENA countries or not, so... Vis-a-visconti (talk) 00:49, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Support - This is one of the reasons to expand the article to the Greater Middle-East.--Smart30 (talk) 03:03, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

The article could perhaps either be re-named to '2010–2011 Greater Middle East protests' or even to '2010–2011 West Asia and North Africa protests'. Vis-a-visconti (talk) 03:16, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Please see above, if you want to propose a title change start a move request to get consensus, there has already been a war raged on the title lets not have another one. - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 17:33, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Support - I second what Smart30 said. These simply aren't MENA issues anymore...they're almost all of Asia, and certainly a vast majority of the Greater Middle East. MAINEiac4434 (talk) 19:30, 15 March 2011 (UTC)

Strong Support - I would support '2010–2011 Greater Middle East protests' as a new title for the page, although strictly speaking, I don't think a change is absolutely necessary in order to include Armenia and Azerbaijan; Turkey has a significant Armenian minority and it's considered part of the Middle East, and Azerbaijan shares a name with provinces of Iran (which also boasts a sizable Azeri minority). Geopolitically, they're closely linked to the rest of the Middle East, and the only reason they're sometimes left out is because there's a popular insistence on identifying every former Soviet socialist republic as such. -Kudzu1 (talk) 12:35, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

Done with consensus. -Kudzu1 (talk) 23:57, 17 March 2011 (UTC)

We need a map change to reflect the agreement. Somalia should be re-colored and Armenia put in Orange, Azerbaijan in yellow.--Smart30 (talk) 01:16, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

Sure...provided we can cite sources that note the unrest in those countries as part of the revolutionary wave starting with Tunisia. For Somalia in particular, I understood them to be long-running unrest, unrelated to THIS wave. ZeLonewolf (talk) 02:35, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

already in impact article

Adding Armenia and Azerbaijan to the map for this article seems fine to me.

However, adding prose (text) sections to this MENA article would mean recycling the unending discussion of "which geographically further locations are 'related' to the Tunisia/Egypt revolutions? Where do we put them if the 'relations' are existent but not so strong (well RS'd)?" After much wasted energy in AfD's, we finally converged on the "Impact..." article. My suggestion: first of all, add notable developments to:

• Impact_of_2010–2011_Middle_East_and_North_Africa_protests#Armenia
• Impact_of_2010–2011_Middle_East_and_North_Africa_protests#Azerbaijan

At the moment these are placed (arbitrarily) in the Asia section there, please discuss on Talk:Impact_of_2010–2011_Middle_East_and_North_Africa_protests arguments for/against shifting to the Europe section. AFAIK either would be acceptable (based on wikipedia regional templates).

Secondly, if the events in one or either become notable enough, then they can split off "Impact..." into their own articles.

Boud (talk) 15:33, 19 March 2011 (UTC)

(minor edits changing section to subsection of previous section: Boud (talk) 22:29, 28 March 2011 (UTC), Boud (talk) 22:32, 28 March 2011 (UTC))

Separate Yemen

Well the Yemen uprising is listed down in the list (of the other nations impacted), but yemen has gone really severe.... The fragile peace that Saleh mantains with the northern geurillas might as well be broken, and the nation could plunge into civil war with who knows factions but thats my speculation Anyways things have gotten out of hand ever since the army started backing the protesters http://www.thehindu.com/news/international/article1568024.ece http://english.ahram.org.eg/NewsContent/2/8/8480/World/Region/Dubai-says-bid-foiled-to-ship-,-guns-to-Yemen.aspx

So its way more severe than the other nations - maybe it should be separated out to the top!

Lets have a vote! --Pranav (talk) 16:25, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Until Yemen descends into actual civil war or Saleh resigns (making the protests effectively a revolution) I am opposed to any separation. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 17:33, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - first off, WP:NOVOTE. Secondly, the incidents in Yemen have not had the kind of global visibility that events in Tunisia, Egypt, and Libya have had. ZeLonewolf (talk) 20:11, 24 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - not necessary. Al Jazeera (the main provider of News on the ground since Tunisia's revolution) only has one man on the ground in Yemen.--Smart30 (talk) 00:25, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - That's based on some degree of conjecture. - NickGrayLOL (talk) 21:06, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Oppose - because Wikipedia is not a crystal ball. Yemen can be split when it is declared split. DerekMBarnes (talk) 07:13, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Talk Page cleanup

I think some of the discussions in the Name Specific Discussions section could be closed and archived. I would do it, but I lack the know-how. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 00:02, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Just promote them to top level discussions and the bot will do it automatically.ZeLonewolf (talk) 14:36, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

How do I do that? (closed 3 discussions regarding the name) - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 14:41, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

Use 2 equals signs instead of 3 around the title. 138.162.0.42 (talk) 21:22, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Morroco major protests

Hundreds of thousands (350K protesters) on March 20, therefore major not minor.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Moroccan_protests

There are several sources provided on its wikipedia page for you to see if need

Please change to orange

Zenithfel (talk) 23:21, 27 March 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose - please check the archives, this was already voted on. --Smart30 (talk) 10:19, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Info Box Mispelling

In the Info box Listing of causes 'Secterianism' should bespelled 'Sectarianism'. This is unless arabs are really big fans of David Secter. 165.112.60.131 (talk) 16:05, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Move Requested -- to: 2010-2011 Arab world protests

2010–2011 Middle East and North Africa protests → 2010-2011 Arab world protests — We already list all other countries in the "Impact" page, and the protests in Iran (main reason for the name change have died). Rename, and move Iran to the Impact.

• Strongly Agree Look at the Iranian protests page and you will very soon realize that the protests there have faded. Move Iran to the Impact and rename into 2010-2011 Arab world protests. The current title does not make sense anymore. 173.245.84.199 (talk) 21:57, 19 March 2011 (UTC)
• Oppose Too narrow of a scope here - Knowledgekid87 (talk) 18:08, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

Narrow? Does including only Iran makes it wider? 173.245.84.243 (talk) 22:50, 20 March 2011 (UTC)

• Oppose - for now. After things cool down, we might rediscuss the issue. - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 17:37, 24 March 2011 (UTC)
• Strong Support — I was coming on to propose the same thing. Really, the protests have only gained any real momentum in the Arab World. The protests in Iran were significant at the time, but they've essentially died down shortly thereafter. Master&Expert (Talk) 04:35, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

Timeline

The Guardian has a great timeline: http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/interactive/2011/mar/22/middle-east-protest-interactive-timeline Perhaps it would be useful to the article's editors. Jmj713 (talk) 16:08, 25 March 2011 (UTC)

Agreed - but the timeline does have few loopholes...it for starters doesn't take into account anything in Oman at all! or in Kuwait!--Pranav (talk) 17:58, 26 March 2011 (UTC)

I am terribly sorry if I am using this improperly, but I by no means know how to use wikipedia for any sort of editing, despite consulting it often. This being said: just a question/suggestion - why has the timeline of protests been interrupted? It stops, I believe, around 20 Feb... In my view it would make sense to keep it updated - maybe it might become indeed very long, but then perhaps a summary type timeline of protests can be kept in this article and a new more extensive article can have a more expanded timeline. Thank you for your time and I apologize for any inconvenience. -hf —Preceding unsigned comment added by 81.84.166.63 (talk) 17:34, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Western Sahara

Sahrawi people protested and rioted in November of 2010, forcing Moroccan forces to quash the possible rebellion. What evidence is there that points to Western Sahara protests inspiring the Tunisian protests? --Zulu, King Of The Dwarf People (talk) 06:46, 28 March 2011 (UTC)

Please search the archives of this talk page. This was extensively discussed.--216.70.233.34 (talk) 02:17, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Syrian government has resigned

Believe that qualifies Syria to turn blue on the map. -Kudzu1 (talk) 13:02, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

• We now have confirmation at BBC that the government has resigned. Agreed. Turn Syria to Blue - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 13:16, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

concur for speedy change, this is clearly a governmental change. ZeLonewolf (talk) 14:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Where is the image at commons? When I click on it here I get to other articles. --Supreme Deliciousness (talk) 14:20, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

It is here: [1] ZeLonewolf (talk) 14:29, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Agree. 140.247.12.151 (talk) 16:00, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Support. The government has resigned, so Syria should be blue for "governmental changes". Vis-a-visconti (talk) 21:01, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Consensus reached and change made. Changes still need to be made to the table and article. ZeLonewolf (talk) 23:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Changed table - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 12:21, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Color for Palestinian Territories

The current map has West Bank & Gaza as blue, which I'm pretty sure is NOT correct. What should it be? I must have colored it inadvertently while making some other change. ZeLonewolf (talk) 11:12, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

·I think that it is blue due to this

"Palestinian territories In the Palestinian Territories, Haaretz suggested that an announcement by the Palestinian Authority on 1 February to hold municipal elections in July is in reaction to the anti-government protests in Egypt. On 14 February, the Palestinian Authority's Prime Minister Salam Fayyad and his Cabinet submitted its resignations to President Abbas[271] amid pan-Arab calls for reform. Abbas tasked him with forming a new government after consultations with other factions, institutions and civil society groups.[272] The reshuffle was long demanded by Fayyad and some in Abbas's Fatah faction.[273]"

BTW, IMO i think that it could be better yellow or grey. Protests and terrorism attacks are related to politic of Israel, more than supporting changes in the politic of Palestinian Territories —Preceding unsigned comment added by 217.216.157.20 (talk) 13:03, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Blue should be when the entire government resigns except for the top guy. This is what happened in Jordan and Yemen. Nobody quit in the PA.68.174.124.18 (talk) 20:18, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Category:2011 Libyan uprising

The related Category:2011 Libyan uprising has been nominated for renaming You are encouraged to join the discussion on the Categories for discussion page.

65.93.12.101 (talk) 11:58, 30 March 2011 (UTC)

Changing the name

I suggest to change the name to "2010–2011 Arab world protests", which will be shorter and have the same meaning. --MR.HJH (talk) 15:28, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

North Africans are not Arabs.Czolgolz (talk) 16:40, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Highly debatable as most North Africans are Arabs or arabized Berbers (which are considered Arabs). Anyway not the place to discuss this - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 17:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Yes, they are. Macarion (talk) 05:09, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

More important, Iranians are not arabs--194.65.151.101 (talk) 16:49, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

• It's already discussed on this talk page, second topic - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 17:25, 29 March 2011 (UTC)

Color for Kuwait

The entire cabinet resigned, but the PM was given a mandate to form a new one. What color does this make it?68.174.124.218 (talk) 12:49, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

That resignation seems unrelated to the current revolutionary wave. See Al-Jazeera article - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 23:25, 31 March 2011 (UTC)

Related in as much as it was connected with discontent over Kuwaits involvement in the GCC action in Bahrain. I say change it to blue. --Dudeman5685 (talk) 02:27, 1 April 2011 (UTC)

Do you have WP:RS that backs up your claim and links the resignation of the Kuwaiti cabinet with this revolutionary wave? - ArnoldPlaton (talk) 08:14, 1 April 2011 (UTC)