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Barnstar and Award Proposals (BAP) is where Wikipedians offer and discuss ideas regarding the "standard" Barnstars, WikiProject's awards, Other Related Awards and Personal User Awards, which may include, but are not limited to: creation of a new barnstar, altering or changing an existing barnstar or award, or delisting an award entirely.

Ideas and their discussions take the following guidelines into account. Please note that these guidelines are not strict rules, chiseled in stone. Rather, they are guidelines agreed upon by the community as a way to standardize our approach to barnstars and awards. If you have questions, WikiProject Wikipedia Awards is a group of volunteers who help guide these pages.

How to use this page

Creating awards

  • Any person or any group can have an award and add it to the Personal User Awards page straight away, as long as the award meets the guidelines in the opposite panel. In this state, your award can be used by others as they wish, but it is not an 'official' award, and should not be added to any other award pages.
  • If your award is a Barnstar, an award for a WikiProject, or some other related award, then you must propose it to the Community by following the steps below.

How to propose a new award

  1. Read the guidelines in the opposite panel to make sure your proposal agrees with them.
  2. At the bottom of the 'New Proposals' section, add a clear header separating it from other proposals. Use ===Barnstar Name===.
  3. Specify the type of award you are proposing. Is it for a WikiProject, a new Barnstar, or some other award?
  4. Give some details about the award. Is it a general award, or is it for special circumstances? Is it a topic-related award?
  5. Post your proposed design for the award. If you don't have one, describe one and someone might make a mock-up for you.
  6. Describe the award, and give some reasons why it should be an award.
    Remember, there must be clear consensus during the discussion!
  7. Don't forget to sign your name with four tildes: ~~~~

Modifications or deletion of existing awards

  1. At the bottom of the 'Changing existing awards proposals' or 'Delisting an award' section, add a clear header separating it from other proposals. Use ===Editing/Delisting Barnstar Name===.
  2. Give some clear reasons as to why you think the award should be changed. These must be proper reasons, not just because you don't like it!
  3. Remember to sign your name with four tildes: ~~~~

What to do if your award is accepted

  • Make sure you add the Category:Wikipedia awards category to any images used in your award.
  • Consider making a template for your award to make it easier to use. Look at some other templates to see what other award templates look like, and try to use the same style.
  • Make sure to categorize the template with <noinclude>[[:Category:Award templates]]</noinclude>.

Guidelines

General

  • All awards must encourage WikiLove, WikiCivility, and the other constructive aspects of the Wikipedia community, and may not award or promote the destructive (trolling, flaming or flamebaiting, vandalism, etc.). They shouldn't just be for insulting others!
  • Awards should not, in purpose or image, concern any nation, race or creed over any other.

Creation of an Award

  • For how to propose an award, read the How To panel opposite.
  • General awards may be created and placed on the main award page by anybody as they see fit, so long as they do not violate the basic guidelines below.
  • You should explicitly spell out in the description of the award what it is for.
  • Barnstars are meant to be unique and exceptional. If you wish to propose a new Barnstar, it should be reviewed by the community, and be added to the Barnstars list only when the community reaches consensus on a page specifically designated for Barnstar and award discussion.

Images

  • If you want to use and image for your award it must not, obviously, violate any of the existing guidelines governing the use of images in Wikipedia.
  • The "Barnstar" image should be generally reserved for Barnstars, and rarely (if ever) incorporated into other awards.
  • Medals or commendations awarded by any nations or organizations, past or present, may not be used.
  • If your new award uses an image, please categorize the image with Category:Wikipedia awards.

Templates

  • If your new award uses a template, please categorize the template with <noinclude>[[:Category:Award templates]]</noinclude>

Guidelines for Barnstars only

  • Barnstars should not be redundant, with the general guideline being "one barnstar, one WikiVirtue".
  • Barnstars should be general and broad in their scope.

Finalizing Proposals

  • General consensus must be reached in order for a proposal to be accepted.
  • If enough time passes without objections being resolved, the idea will be removed from this page and archived.
  • If more than a week has passed, the idea has not gained a consensus, and the discussion has been inactive, the proposal is eligible to be rejected and archived.
  • Proposals should be allowed to mature, so it is suggested that an idea be left in proposal format for at least two weeks for comment before being finalized.

Wikihalo

This award should only be given to users who have been on Wikipedia for at least one year and who have made over 10,000 edits, or a lower number of exceeding quality. Please do not give this award to someone merely because you like them or because they have helped you out.

If you are unsure whether someone meets the requirements, then do not award it. This award should only be given to users of the highest experience and skill.

From Wikipedia:Wikihalo#Requirements.

This award was created by The Neokid and the image was created by TheKMan. To see who has received this award, go to Category:Wikipedians who have received Wikihalos.


Proposals In Progress

Add a new proposal to the bottom of this page.

DYK Barnstar or medal (proposal currently held up - do not archive for the time being)

How about something for Wikipedians who have achieved at least 5 or more nominations of Wikipedia's newest articles which were featured on Wikipedia's Did You Know? section on the Main Page? I suggest that successful nominations for someone else's new article should count equally with self-created new article nominations. It's a lot of work either way. the DYK section helps keep the Main Page vital. There is a bit of healthy competition among editors currently. Someone else with art talent will need to come up with an appropriate image for the award: I just write and edit, I don't draw!

Mark in Historic Triangle of Virginia Vaoverland 21:09, 19 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just for reference, a very similar award was suggested prior to this proposal. The archived discussion can be found here. Sango123 (talk) 00:33, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reading through the archive, I am left to conclude that the idea was just sorta put "on hold"? Personally, I like the Trailblazer concept. So, now what? Vaoverland 18:02, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I like this idea and had also previously requested for such a barnstar since i like DYKs. Can we renew the discussion here? Idleguy 19:27, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Possible image. (Sango123)
As mentioned in the previous discussion, a DYK Barnstar seemed too narrow for an official award, so how about using the Trailblazer concept for creating new articles? A possible image could be the barnstar to the left; green suggests growth and newness. Any thoughts or ideas? Sango123 (talk) 19:41, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Hmm. Not bad but not really great. I was thinking something like those product ads that come with labels like New, Improved etc. Actually make that a shining/sparkling (silver maybe) barnstar to denote the freshness. Idleguy 20:16, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I also like the expanded thinking of the Trailblazer, since it encompasses more than just DYK. So, how may we renew consideration? I am a writer, not a Wiki-Politician!! Vaoverland 20:51, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Though I may be a bit biased (I proposed the original idea) :-), I think that we should have a Trailblazer barnstar. As I said in the archived discussion, I imagined a fire-red barnstar with a zig-zag path/trail behind. I'm not an artist, though (don't even have Photoshop!), so I couldn't create this myself. Comments? Thanks. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 21:37, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I like that image even better. However, I writes, not draws. <gr> Vaoverland
Possible image 2, draft. (Sango123)

Something like this? Sango123 (talk) 22:09, 20 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I was thinking more of a trail/path behind the barnstar, perhaps to the left. Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 22:50, 22 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
This trailblazer seems better. maybe the trail fire can look better though its still draft version. Unfortunately I don't have an eye for art and am poor at designing else I could've helped. Idleguy 05:13, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
The trail reminds me of the video of the Challenger disaster. What's with the squiggle-zig-zag? Some straighter traces would be better. It's still better than the passive green concept, though. Vaoverland 14:31, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No zig-zag. (Sango123)

Here's one with a non-fiery, straight trail from the left. Sango123 (talk) 16:28, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

That's an improvement, and I'd settle for it. However, I was thinking of something like this:

File:Proposed Barnstar Flcelloguy.JPG
Design... don't laugh!

Where the star represents the barnstar, and to the left would be a brown trail or path. As I've said, I write, not draw. Pardon my drawing, as I'm artistically challenged. :-) Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 20:44, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ah... I wasn't sure exactly what you meant by "trail", but your drawing effectively clears that up. :) By the way, do you want the trail to come from only one point of the star? Sango123 (talk) 22:06, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

As they say, a picture is worth a thousand words. :-) I'm not sure, I really didn't think about that. Maybe try one version like that, another version where the trail comes from the bottom two points, and another version where the trail is in the middle? See what looks the best. Thanks a lot! Flcelloguy | A note? | Desk | WS 22:14, 24 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like the one that is labled "no zip zag". Vaoverland 02:53, 25 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Like Flcelloguy said the trail should probably come at the bottom... Actually I'm so bad at imagining :D Idleguy 17:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Trail from two points. (Sango123)

I tried several different variations, but I like this one the best. :) Sango123 (talk) 17:55, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

With all due respect to its creator, I think the most recent version looks like a vehicle skidding to a stop instead of streaking forward. But then, I am a transportation writer. Mark Vaoverland 19:30, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I second vaoverland's view. I just don't see it falling in place somehow and i'm also unable to imagine. but keep the ideas coming since I'm not good at artsy things. maybe how about changing the image idea to one I had proposed initially like a "sparkling barnstar" (silver color probably) That would be also different. Just my 2 banana cents. Idleguy 06:04, 1 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Welp, the first idea for a DYK barnstar (also available in non-animated version!)... other ideas would just be a circle with the DYK-updated ? mark in it, or more emphasis on a shiny-new theme instead of a question/information theme... And, yes, I know it sucks, why do you ask?  :) Bushytails 05:38, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I think it's a good idea. Remove the animation (and all the black question marks) and it will be the best one so far. Seriously, simplicity > bloat. -- Ynhockey 06:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Simple version. Bushytails 06:39, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
  • First overly-animated version
    First overly-animated version
  • Simplified, less-sucky version
    Simplified, less-sucky version
  • Ok, so I like making them suck...
    Ok, so I like making them suck...
  • Bigger ? in different font
    Bigger ? in different font
And re-suckified. Bushytails 06:57, 2 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I strongly believe that the barnstar or medal should be exclusive to DYK. We hv a FA medal, why not for DYK which is the second feature of the Main Page? And while we are at it, we can have the cutoffs as 5 DYK entries (self-noms), 8 DYK entries (articles created by me but DYK suggested by others) and 15 DYK entries (articles created by others but suggested by me). No need for a hard and fast rule - for example, I may self-nom 4 suggestions but nominate other articles 3 times etc. I like the last version by Bushytails (the one with a single "?" and shining barnstar), though I'd want to see a version where the star is below the question mark, as if the ? is a hanger from which the barnstar is hung. Regards, --Gurubrahma 11:09, 4 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like the idea of an award for DYK, since I do most of the updates I know the frequent and highly quality contributors, and I can think of 5-6 users that I would give the award to now. Since I'm potentially in a postition where I would award this barnstar- I don't think a numerical limit (4 DYKs = 1 barstar) is a workable or desirable, my criteria would be based on the quailty of new article, the supply of articles with free pics and the contributors persistence for example 8 DYKs over 6 weeks over a range of subjects. I can also think of at least one RC patroller that suggests lots of new artilces and has done so over a few months who I think would be a candidate. Also, I like Bushytails simplified, less sucky version, but the question makr should be bigger.--nixie 10:15, 6 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bigger enough? I don't have the font used for the DYK-updated image, so had to pick another font... trying to scale the little image bigger was rather ugly... I could vectorize it and scale the vectorized version (I need one of those photography/image barnstars.  :), but I figure that for now, a different font is ok... I kinda like the shining version better (with the blinkies every 5 seconds), and it isn't too over-animated. Any ideas? Bushytails 06:15, 7 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

So, where are we at with all this? Vaoverland 02:17, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I suggest we create a silver shining (sparkling) barnstar instead. My original idea... Heh Idleguy 05:57, 11 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

A silver barnstar would be a tad too similar to the Resilient Barnstar. I think the question mark alone works well, as it's simple and concisely portrays the DYK aspect. Any extra animation might draw focus away from the barnstar's purpose (although the sparkles on the Bushytails' third version are quite pretty. ;-) The fourth version would look great with a solidly colored question mark, possibly beveled or embossed. Any thoughts? Sango123 (talk) 19:11, 27 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

In that case I'd say in the current crop Bushy's 3rd barnstar looks good with a solid color as Sango says. Idleguy 03:38, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I had previously spoken of a version where the star is below the question mark, as if the ? is a hanger from which the barnstar is hung. The third draft of AFD rescue barnstar (see below) seems to be similar in thought. --Gurubrahma 05:17, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer the fourth barnstar with the larger "?", though I agree with Sango it should have a more solid appearance. Nixie is absolutely right that this should be rewarded on subjective criteria rather than some formula, as the quality of entries varies greatly.--Pharos 14:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Broad enough?

Just to play devil's advocate for a bit, is this star really broad and general enough? I really think that we shuld do our best to minimize creeping barnstarism, especially since we already have a whole zoo of the things buzzing around. – ClockworkSoul 16:03, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I agree. There's such thing as too many barnstars. --Deathphoenix 16:25, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I think DYK is really a horse of a different color than the valiant deeds which other barnstars honor. We shouldn't have arbitrary barnstars, but this really isn't at all analogous with creeping featurism in software; an exotic zoo with all the bells and whistles is rather efficient for an awards system.--Pharos 14:15, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree and support both a DYK barnstar and a AFD rescue barnstar (discussion below). --Gurubrahma 07:46, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Action on DYK Barnstar?

So, folks, I ask once again, what may we do to get a consensus and determine whether there will be a DYK barnstar? Meanwhile, I am back to working on WP content. Mark Vaoverland 11:24, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about something that isn't a barnstar? Maybe a gold questionmark? Barnstars seem really special and shouldn't be introduced too willynilly (I think I have minor standing to make suggestions but not to participate in consensus discussion itself, as I've had 5 selfnoms selected as main page DYKs... not sure that merits a barnstar, really, but something small/minor might be nice.) There ARE people who deserve barnstars for their work on this, but those would be the admins who do the moving around gruntwork... and those could be handled with existing barnstars, IMHO. ++Lar: t/c 18:33, 24 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Proposal - Manga and Anime Barnstar

Awarded to great contributors to manga- and anime-related articles.

This is a proposal for a category barnstar. It will be awarded to whoever makes a great contribution to articles in the field of manga and anime. Since there's already a personal award called the 'Pokestar', and possibly more similar ones will be created, why not have an official manga and anime barnstar?

To the right is an image I've come up with.

-- Ynhockey 18:04, 23 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. The image looks quite good as well, so why not. --dionyziz 08:47, 30 October 2005 (UTC).[reply]
First off, the category barnstars are for the actual categories listed on the Main Page {e.g Culture, History, Science etc.) So this barnstar wouldn't fall into the class of Category barnstars, but rather topical ones. Secondly, what images did you use for the 'star? I ask this only because if they are copyrighted anime images, there might be a copywrite issue in using the barnstar. Bratschetalk | Esperanza 15:41, 30 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I used an old picture from Dragonball (Z) that's been circulating around the net for years. Thought it would constitute as fair use whether or not the image was copyrighted. However, if you think this is an issue, the image can be changed easily since I have the PSD/CPT files. What kind of image are we looking for in order to not be copyright infringement for sure? Is a screenshot OK? Would a fan colouring of a B&W page be OK? Because I don't think there are many non-copyrighted anime or manga images. Oh yeah and, I did mean topical barnstar. Sorry. -- Ynhockey 00:17, 31 October 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion on the Manga and Anime Barnstar has been at a standstill for about a month. If no attempts at reviving it are made within a week, it will be archived. Thanks, Sango123 (talk) 15:18, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

  • I think we should let it go: it simply isn't "broad and general" enough (I just skimmed the guidelines again), and I think we would be better off to avoid creeping barnstarism in general. – ClockworkSoul 15:55, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I think anime/manga is pretty broad - it has hundreds if not thousands of related articles. It definitely has more articles than Spoken Wikipedia, which already has a barnstar. -- Ynhockey 07:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Good idea however the barnstar image looks like a copy vio. --Cool CatTalk|@ 10:19, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
As I said before, I took it from an anime image that was floating around the web for years. IMO it constitutes as fair use since the use was limited and non-commercial, but if you disagree, please clarify what kind of images are valid to not constitute a copyvio. Without this clarification, I cannot use another image because you might just say it's copyvio again. -- Ynhockey 07:30, 5 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I support the existance of this barnstar, though the image needs work. Question is what makes Anime special? Image of that should be on the barnstar or on the background etc... --Cool CatTalk|@ 14:13, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

We don't need barnstars for every Gosh-darned thing. Ashibaka tock 02:04, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Yes we do. This is wikipedia, remember..? :) -MegamanZero 19:06, 11 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, <shameless ripoff>barnstars are like voltron, the more you can hook up, the better it gets.</shameless ripoff> --Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 22:29, 14 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
No possible copyvio.
I'm all for a manga/anime barnstar.--Mitsukai 14:27, 29 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I oppose this, since it uses copyright images, and Wikipedia policy is not to use copyright images outside of article space. Steve block talk 22:52, 17 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Behold the Anime & Manga Taiyaki!
I made a copy that doesn't use any copyrighted/fair use material. -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 19:37, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
While I like the idea of an anime/manga barnstar, here's a question: note the Wikiwings bit below for aviation articles. In short, does it have to be a barn star? We're talking about anime and manga here, folks - we could award an anime fish sausage, or taiyaki, or something else. I say we go with something original that defines us as otaku/anime fans/whatever.--み使い Mitsukai 20:07, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I like the idea of something original in principle, but somehow it seems to make the award seem less 'official'. Unless the image is really well-made, like the Wikiwings. Any ideas? -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 20:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Well, there's my suggestion of the taiyaki (yeah, I'm stuck on it - blame it on Kanon), or maybe a henshin wand. Something that is defining as an anime or manga award, but doesn't quite specify a particular series. Here's my thoughts on it; maybe someone else can come up with some as well:
  • taiyaki
  • henshin wand
  • fish sausage
  • magatama
  • a sakura blossom (looks close enough like a barnstar, yet without the actual barnstar-ness)
Any other ideas, guys?--み使い Mitsukai 23:17, 10 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Moving to left
I support an anime/manga sakura tree. Only problem is where to get a non-copyrighted/fair use image for it. -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 07:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I'll see if I can come up with something. I've got that "barnstar"-like sakura blossom in Adobe Illustrator; I can see about a tree as well.--み使い Mitsukai 08:01, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The barnstar-like blossom would be great. I probably won't be able to participate in this conversation for another 2 weeks (although I'll be home tonight), you know, army stuff, but hopefully you will find something nice and more users will participate in the discussion before I return. -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 08:48, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That depends on whether you consider manga as a part of comics. While technically it is (and in Wikipedia, manga is under Category:Comic books), whoever voted for the barnstar might've not realized this. There are currently about 1000 articles under the parent category 'manga' alone, with 28 subcategories. The comic books category, not including manga, is much smaller. Spoken Wikipedia has even less articles (although I admit its potential scope is as large as that of Wikipedia itself). -- Y Ynhockey || Talk Y 07:24, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Yesterday, after some debate, the scouting barnstar was moved from the barnstar page to the PUA page. As an adherent to that discussion, I believe that this should be a PUA. On an entirely different note, I was wondering if this GFDL image can be used, after relevant modifications, for this award. --Gurubrahma 19:56, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Wow, someone must have spent a fair bit of time on that! I like the idea; since it refers to Wikipedia, it doubles the meaning of the award. I agree; this is a great award idea, but too limited for a barnstar. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 19:59, 11 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I'm for it either way, though I don't know that the image necessarily works. To me it reminds me of Internet sock puppets and WP:sock, something that we don't want a connotation with.--み使い Mitsukai 15:47, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Rescue from AFD

I'd like to see something like "Honourable Order of the Wikipedia Stub Rehabilitation Society", which could be awarded to people who rescue items from AFD and similar lists by making comprehensive rewrites duing the voting period. I've one particular recipient in mind, but I know of several whom this could easily be awarded to. Grutness...wha? 05:30, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Just took a stab at it, a lot of directions we can go from there. I especially want to do some creative changes to the Barnstar in the background, just unsure exactly what would be best to compliment the helicopter, or if we want a RedCross instead; and/or I could make the helicopter a brown barnstar color scheme and do something bright in the background, such as a RedCross (second draft) but inside a Barnstar outline (didn't look good when I tried it). (also I don't like the blue roter blades... but making it look cool might be beyond my skills) - RoyBoy 800 18:25, 21 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Maybe I could change the basket to a Wikiglobe... or better yet a Wikipedia "W" puzzle piece to represent the article being rescued. - RoyBoy 800 01:50, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

For some reason, my browser's not letting me see your designs, but if I get the drift of them right, what about simply a rescue helicopter with a small barnstar hanging from the end of a rope below it? Grutness...wha? 02:14, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I definitely thought of that too, yeah we can do that. Now to cut down drafts, what color scheme for the copter (original, or barnstar?), what barnstar should be used... the original makes sense given creating/rewriting articles is the very essence of the barnstar... or could it be the Working man's barnstar. Although each article is different, rescuing poor articles from the AfD is a constantly needed, tireless task. (and the tireless barnstar would add more color if we went with the barnstar color scheme on the copter) - RoyBoy 800 15:31, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Then most importantly the size of the barnstar... it could be proportational to the copter and so it fits inside the frame, or I could keep the barnstar the normal size and it would go outside the boundaries of the image (that would emphasize this is a big deal). - RoyBoy 800 16:23, 22 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I like proposal 3 - I think the brown and red get a bit lost against each other in the other two. Grutness...wha? 08:57, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I also like the third one, it's much better than the other two overall. However, you should probably improve the rotors. -- Ynhockey 14:43, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Coo, which rotors... the top ones? If so... that may be the limit of my artistic ability, if you can do it... or recommend someone I'd be more than happy to copy and paste their improvement and credit them in the final upload. If you mean the tail rotor, just in case its too small... its the WikiGlobe!:"D - RoyBoy 800 20:06, 25 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Fourth draft

How's this? (I cheated and used a real helicopter image. ;-) Sango123 (talk) 15:35, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Looks good. What's the source (or copyright status) of the original helicopter image that you used? --Deathphoenix 17:28, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
*plays M.A.S.H. theme* Looking good... --AllyUnion (talk) 20:02, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I used Image:Chc bell 206.jpg, which is licensed under the GFDL. So what shall we name this award? Sango123 (talk) 22:19, 28 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hmmm... this would be tough now. We need a balance between wit and information. A nice name that is also informative. Red Cross Barnstar, or M.A.S.H. Barnstar, for example, don't really emphasise that the awardee rescued articles from AfD. How about something like Operation: AfD Rescue Barnstar? Granted, that's slightly unwieldy, but I'm just brainstorming here. My brain has a lot of rubbish in it. --Deathphoenix 17:48, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I suggested a (somewhat flowery) title originally, but it could be shortened - how about "Article Rehabilitation Barnstar", or just "Stub Rescue Barnstar"? That means it doesn't have to be for AfD, just for turning something hopeless into somethig encyclopaedic. Grutness...wha? 23:02, 29 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry to come in late and be a wet blanket, but I'm not so sure about this star. We have so many barnstars already, wouldn't a "Working Man", "Editor", or "Diligance" star be just as good? At 25 stars and counting, we're starting to suffer from serious barnstar creep. – ClockworkSoul 07:40, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I really like this idea, and I think article rescue is a unique enough activity to merit a separate accounting. It's not unheard of for something to be deleted just because folks on AFD aren't familiar with the topic, and this barnstar would award a much-needed service. The 'hanging barnstar' is also a great graphic concept.--Pharos 13:50, 30 November 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I do like the current image more than the old ones, but would it be possible to get a helicopter that looked more like a Search-and-Rescue machine? Possible source images with compatible licences: 1, 2, 3, 4. Sorry they're all American; the British, Canadian, and Irish ones I found don't allow derivative works... -User:Lommer | talk 06:31, 2 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer image 3 and it is a great barnstar; what I've been noticing more is "good users being fed up" creep. Too many barnstars is not high on my creep list... simply put there are a large number of specific ways people make a real positive impact on this encyclopedia. Acknowledging them specifically for those efforts, as I see it, can only be a good thing. - RoyBoy 800 23:30, 8 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I agree with Royboy and am already feeling lonely with three afd rescues and nothing to show for it ;-) --Gurubrahma 12:25, 13 December 2005 (UTC) (sorry just couldn't resist the temptation of attrating people to my userpage)[reply]
Support. I'm not concerned about what this barnstar will look like, but I think it is a good idea in general. I like the idea of making it a broader "stub rescue" star as well where serious verification must be done. Crypticfirefly 22:37, 22 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Support, but why not use a M*A*S*H* helicopter? Those old Bells looked really cool... Guapovia 10:53, 12 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Strong support for this barnstar as long as the final graphic maintains the general image 3/image 4 concept of a chopper airlifting the barnstar. That really makes me smile for some reason. --Aaron 21:20, 15 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Copyvio busting barnstar

I created this, for those striving to keep wikipedia legal, and defend the rights of creators and authors: for defense of intelectual property. (The image has been greatly improved by User:Essjay). I propose its official adoption -. --Doc ask? 09:06, 16 January 2006 (UTC) File:Barnstar-copyvio.PNG[reply]

good idea, but already covered by several barnstars. Why not club it with Investigator's barnstar (discussion above) as busting copyvios calls for some investigation? --Gurubrahma 10:04, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps, but copyright (articles and images) is quite distinct speciality, and a growing area. --Doc ask? 10:10, 16 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think this is exactly covered by other barnstarts, but I also don't support the barnstar in principle. For example, many Wikipedians mindlessly delete images after 7 days because they have no copyright status, even though a simple Google search would reveal that it was a fair use image, logo, etc. This barnstar farther encourages this sort of behaviour, which IMO is inappropriate. -- Ynhockey 20:06, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately (depending on one's philosiphy) that exact behavior is endorsed by Wikipedia policy. I however agree with it because if you are uploading images, you should already have read the copyvio rules, and even if you haven't it says several times right there what you shoudl and shouldn't do. If a user wants to take it upon him or her self to take the time to verify an image they would be doing a great service, however, to not delete them after their time is up without correct labeling would be counter to wiki-policy. Also,this barnstar would easily cover the work of those who choose to verify the source of an image. I propose that a better name would be the Copyright Enforcement Barnstar.--Oni Ookami AlfadorTalk|@ 07:11, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
That name would be better. If someone is mindlessly enforcing stuff without common sense, then don't give it to them. But this isn't just about images, lots of folk identify, tag and research textual copyvios. --Doc ask? 10:24, 21 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]



Knight barn star

Here is a nomination for a high-ranking barnstar for only really special peoples:

File:Wikishield.png I hereby dub thee a knight of Wikipedia, with all the privileges and responsibilities given therein.

→AzaToth 17:01, 29 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • Ok, what do you think about this one (havn't uploaded the svg this time)?
The shield of Wikipedia 2


→AzaToth 18:44, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

What i think is: 1, it doesn't look like a barnstar at all. 2, therefore it'd be good as a PUA but not a barnstar. Deryck C. 08:06, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Pseudoscience Barnstar

PseudoScience Barnstar

The image Depicts a barnstar at risk of toppling off a drooping flat earth.

I propose awarding this in recognition of the defenders of reality against those who would impose the pseudoscience of their belief system. Editors who heroically fend off trolling anons trying to subvert articles on vaccination , medicine (vs. various forms of quackery), government health policies (vs. conspiracy theories), intelligent design being a mask for creationism etc etc come to mind as worthy recipients. This is not just about ensuring SPOV, NPOV or reverting vandalism, but about arguing and defending against trivial minority viewpoints who argue (often eloquently) and post large number of references, most of which are selectively misquoted, do not draw the claimed conclusions, are anecdotal reports rather than null-hypothesis statistically vetted research etc. etc. David Ruben Talk 15:52, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

As an example of the disproportionate amount of effort some good editors spend in critically assessing references that anon editors should have done themselves to WP:Cite & WP:Verify their own arguments, see Talk:Electroconvulsive therapy#Citations 2. David Ruben Talk 16:01, 31 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this can be a PUA. Deryck C. 17:46, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

New Barnstars

Have made some new, rather big barnstars, as shown here. Havn't thought of a special award for them, you migh perhaps have a idea. →AzaToth 21:52, 2 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • A old-looking rusted barnstar
    A old-looking rusted barnstar
  • A barnstar made out of pure gold
    A barnstar made out of pure gold
  • A gold medallion featuring a barnstar
    A gold medallion featuring a barnstar
  • A plain grenish stone-barnstar
    A plain grenish stone-barnstar
  • An enchanced stone-barnstar
    An enchanced stone-barnstar
  • Jimbo Wales medal
    Jimbo Wales medal
  • Jimbo Wales medal, second edition
    Jimbo Wales medal, second edition
  • Angela Beesley as a silver medal
    Angela Beesley as a silver medal
  • Jimbo Wales medal, third edition, with date and insignia
    Jimbo Wales medal, third edition, with date and insignia
  • The grand WikiMedal for Janitoral Services
    The grand WikiMedal for Janitoral Services
  • The golden wikiglobe
    The golden wikiglobe
  • A good job!
    A good job!
  • Alternate version of Image:Rosetta Barnstar.png
    Alternate version of Image:Rosetta Barnstar.png
  • Thumb up in green yello packing
    Thumb up in green yello packing
Well, we have a silver medallion with Angela Beesley, the Silver Wikibuck, so I guess a Jimbo one is the next step... smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 21:31, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Just for the sake of it, I made a new silver medal :) →AzaToth 22:19, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Spooky...
If we're using random barnstars we've made, I've got an old 'ghost' barnstar I made for some reason a while ago but never bothered uploading(I think it was meant to represent a blueprint). It's not too good, but it's semi-transparent. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 22:56, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

A Minor Amulet

This image shows a golden amulet with the images of a book, W (for Wikipedia), and "hero", and is a minor file that is meant as a minor award, ie. for someone who helps you quite a bit. Why??? Of the many awards given, the vast majority are for high-grade users, leaving many of the lower-level contributors with no encouragement. Because of its minor size, the heroamulet.jpg is perfect for stacking up...

Yay! This is my first image contribution! -- Yunzhong Hou 04:41, 5 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I like it. And with it's book image, I'd like to use it at Wikibooks. Gentgeen 00:33, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Recent Changes/New Pages Barnstar

It's quite self-explanatory really, it's for exemplary monitoring of Recent Changes or New Pages. It's a bit low-quality right now, but it's just a start.

For outstanding work on Recent Changes.
How about a 'sparkly' new barnstar, to represent the new pages/edits?
Sparkly
Sparkly
smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 20:54, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Here is my idea:
→AzaToth 21:40, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I like the idea, but how about a modern clock face, since the stone-sundial looks a little 'old' for recent changes. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 22:12, 6 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Understand, here I made a more modern varian, imitating pastel plastic (P.S. do NOT comment the number tvelve):
Hmm, I don't really like the clock (mostly because it's measured in hours, and recent changes is measured by seconds or less ;)). I do like the sparkling new, though. Maybe a combination of that and my original one? I'll whip one up in a second. --Rory096 03:54, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Sparkly computer
Looks good! Where's the computer image come from? smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 10:30, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
It's just something I found on the Commons. Actually, I got another idea to add to it while dreaming last night (yes, I dreamt about Wikipedia, I'm probably a Wikiholic). I'll add that on in a second. --Rory096 15:21, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Ok, take three →AzaToth 18:35, 7 February 2006 (UTC):[reply]

This one is, by far, the best. --Rory096 06:48, 9 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Neutral Point Of View Barnstar

I would like to propose a new Barnstar for people who work tirelessly to promote a NPOV on Wikipedia, especially on controversial articles like Northern Ireland, Taiwan and others with very opposing points of view. There are Wikpedians out there who try to keep things neutral despite constant attacks, some personal, from other users and I feel they deserve their own award for their perseverance and dedication to neutrality. The image included here is just something I've knocked up quickly based on the traditional barnstar merged with the flag of Switzerland, a country famed for its neutrality. If someone can come up with a better merging of the two then it would be appreciated and would put my poor image editing skills to shame. Ben W Bell 08:50, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

How about a yin yang (☯) type barnstar, to represent the two sides of the arguement in balance and equality, although my design seems to includes lots of odd swirls around the edge. smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 17:15, 7 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I like that idea, but the colors I dont like, here is my suggestion:
A Barnstar!
The NPOV Barnstar

→AzaToth 22:10, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I personally quite like this proposal, but the image is still not good enough, imho. Deryck C. 08:32, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

However, I'll oppose unless a better image is found. Deryck C. 07:29, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]


Ok, next try. The idea is that NPOV is the wheel that runs the wikipedia:

→AzaToth 22:36, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

When creating new Barnstars, there's a couple of preliminary considerations, to determine if the proposal will yield an award that will be useful, interesting, etc. a) Determine the scope of the award as clearly as possible (this seems to have been done); b) Establish that there's a demand for it; c) This is the really tricky one, and where most of the proposals fail: make sure that the scope of the award, and effectively the award itself, is not already covered by another already-existing award (which people will tend to prefer). In this particular case, one might say that the scope is already covered by the Defender of the Wiki Barnstar — it doesn't mean that the award is not viable, but we'd need to establish that it presents a specification in scope that can be of particular use. I'm not sure that this can be done here, since the DoWB was created exactly when people were trying to push POV and misinformation in a particular article. Regards, Redux 14:12, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The above barnstar is very attractive looking and rather sensible. I do wonder about the colours. Maybe some of them should be tweaked to match the NPOV tag itself? yonkeltron 21:10, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Inclusiveness Barnstar

Draft 1 of Inclusiveness Barnstar

This barnstar is to be awarded to anyone, by anyone for recognition of efforts to incorporate contributions made by multiple contributors with multiple bodies of research. Many different people from many different backgrounds often come together when working on an article. Making sure that every piece of input is considered and given the appropriate voice can often mean the difference between a weak article and a solid one. Those who are able to successfully integrate differeny streams of input and varying interpretations with eachother are furthering the collaborative cause.

The idea for the graphic is basically a star with different coloured orbs about it. The orbs represent the different pieces of information that need to be weighed. Each one is in a different position relative to the star to symbolize the fact that different people come from different places and backgrounds. In the center of the star is a swirly-magjig intended to signify the coming together of the varying sources and contributions. yonkeltron 11:25, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Featured Article Barnstar

I sugest a special Barnstar for those who endlessly attempt to get an article into a featured statues, and almost single-handedly succeed. Such an award may look like the ordinary Barnstar, but coloured gold or something. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Davidpk212 (talk • contribs) .

This layout seems to be already covered by awards such as The Tireless Contributor Barnstar. But there's a deeper problem with this proposal: normally, we tend to create Barnstars aimed at recognizing broader commitments to the project — that is, if you are a "tireless contributor", to stay with the Barnstar I mentioned, you are such on multiple instances, and not just in relation to one or two articles. For this award, people would be getting it for a significant commitment to, I suppose usually, one single article. Not that people can't be recognized for work done in just one or two articles, they can, and they are, but we do it using Barnstars that are more general and can adapt to these situations (such as the Original Barnstar, The Tireless Contributor Barnstar or the Working Man Barnstar).
But if you could somehow find a way to broaden the scope some, I'm not sure how, then we could try to run with it and see where it goes. Regards, Redux 03:15, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
We already have a FA medal which has recently been moved from barnstars page to another page (titled "other awards", I think). So this award is unnecessary. --Gurubrahma 03:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Redesign of Barnstar of National Merit

From Wikipedia talk:Barnstars Image:Barnstar of National Merit.png is very important barnstar but it looks awful. Can you please give it a makeover? Renata 23:21, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

I think this should maybe go to Barnstar Proposals. But I do have a proposal where the design is the same, but updated (I also have an alternate version where the centre using the (PD) Blue Marble image of the earth). smurrayinchester(User), (Talk) 23:56, 18 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unnecessary, imo - several people (incl. me) like the current version. I'd support moves that would increase resolution or reduce size of the current version. By and large, I am not in favor of re-inventing the wheel and re-doing things that have already been decided by consensus. Also, this may have potential for inducing edit warring. --Gurubrahma 15:06, 19 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Three of our old barnstar stalwarts, Redux, Alkivar, and Zscout370, had a huge hand in designing this barnstar. I don't remember too much because I was on a bit of a barnstar hiatus at the time (I didn't jump back on board until it was going through the final stages of design). There were reasons that the original barnstar wasn't used. Please take a look at this entry to take a look at the original discussion (boy, that was a walk down memory lane!). In addition, I think it would be best to contact the people involved in the original discussion (including the above-mentioned and the other Barnstar veterans such as Clockworksoul and Grutness) before we muck around with the current design that has been in use for a year and was the result of several day's worth of discussion and effort (maybe they have some suggestions for mucking around with the design ;-) ). --Deathphoenix 13:11, 20 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If it's consistency that people are concerned with, you could also try to blur the image slightly so the lines aren't as sharp. Personally, I like the medal design. --Deathphoenix 13:17, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Back when we created the award, we agreed on a medal-shaped image — after going through several other possible shapes — because of the correspondence between a country-related award and the fact that countries award medals for those who are deemed to have performed relevant services to that given country. I do believe the award should remain shaped like a medal — especially now that a little more than a year has passed and this appearance has become associated with the award — although it seems that this is not the goal of this discussion anyway; and I also must agree with Gurubrahma on the potential problems, at least in theory, of reopening discussions that had already been settled by consensus, although, again, this seems to be a non-issue here.
In addition, the other relevant point about the present appearence that needs to be brought up is the color of the strap — taking the opportunity to compliment Grutness on his excellent memory —, which was chosen deliberately as "UN blue", so that no questions about any national color being favored could arise. That logic is still valid, of course, and thus the color needs to be kept. Other than that, I don't particularly oppose adjustments in the BoNM's appearance, although I will say that I like Zach's design — yes, the thing about not using the actual Barnstar could be taken as an issue, but I do agree with Zach that it just doesn't look that good in the award. Although I do remember, and now it's my turn to dig up the past, that the original Barnstar was used in the award's first official design (being replaced sometime later with the present design). Redux 16:10, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

  • FWIW. If you look at the Barnstar award page on the commons you'll see a lot of options. evrik 16:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    Not really. What we have there is a very large, general page, mixing wiki awards and user awards together (there's even a double entry, for the Music Barnstar). On the BoNM "front", what we do have is a bunch of country-centric awards inspired by the BoNM. They all follow the same basic format, which is to be expected, since they were all created and added by the same user . That, of course, makes all of those personal user awards, not wiki awards, which only the original BoNM is. Regards, Redux 17:31, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
    • And, one of the things I tried to do is to make the medal design generic, so it will not be tied to a single medal. At the page Redux shows above, http://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/Barnstar#Barnstars_of_National_Merit, the medal designs look like the Hero of the Soviet Union medal, and since Ukraine, Belarus and Russia still use that pattern for their state awards, we should avoid using a design like that. Not to mention, I do not think some people will be thrilled about getting a Soviet-era honor. User:Zscout370 (Return Fire) Fair use policy 03:42, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
      • Zach is right. I suppose, if people feel it is necessary, we could consider small adjustments, such as making the strap shorter, or reducing the general size of the whole image (resizing). Personally, however, I don't see a need for that, since we can determine the size of the image to be shown on each page. I mean, if we use the template for awarding a Barnstar ({{award|image=IMAGE|text=TEXT}}) the size will already be a very reasonable one, and when we "hang" the award on our user pages, we can resize it in loco, by making it a thumb, using the gallery format or the good old size code ([[Image:IMAGE.JPG|50px]]). IMHO, we should not fix what is not broken. Redux 14:02, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Section break: Azatoth's proposal

Proposal for redesign:

→AzaToth 15:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Without weighing in on the new vs. old comparison, I'd suggest that you keep the ribbon restricted to a U.N. blue, like in the previous design. --Deathphoenix 15:41, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

You meen more like this? →AzaToth 16:19, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, like that, thanks. :-) --Deathphoenix 16:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, the UN blue is a lot lighter. Check out the UN flag for reference. I will insist on the importance of determining if any changes are actually necessary. I, for one, don't think so, per the reasons I stated in my last comment. Redux 20:21, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I agree that we don't need any changes (hence my header on the new vs. old), but I still wanted to weigh in on feedback on the design. You're right, UN blue is a lot lighter. I need to get my eyes checked... --Deathphoenix 20:30, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
In terms of feedback: yes, AzaToth's design does look good (except for the color, which is not yet right). Hey, do what I do: it's always the computer's fault. So, if you got two shades of blue confused, just say it was your computer screen that was malfunctioning at the time ;). Redux 20:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I do think that the version now used is to ugly to be allowed to be given to anyone. I have redone it again, with a more U.N. like blue color, and a simpler star: →AzaToth 20:49, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I don't mean to be picky, but the color is still off :/ Redux 20:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Maybe it's your malfunctioning computer screen. ;-) (seriously, yeah, you need to darken it a little more) --Deathphoenix 21:00, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, take four: (have taken the exactly color as in the U.N. flag this time!) →AzaToth 22:56, 22 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Seems ok now, but maybe others could confirm, since my eyes...I mean, my computer could be deceiving me. But once you've gotten the color right, it's right back to the central issue: there is no consensus to change the layout significantly. On the contrary, consensus now is leaning towards either keeping it unchanged or making only minor adjustments (shorter ribbon, resizing, or something along those lines). Redux 03:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I think I agree with you. Call it stupid or whatever, may be, someone like me who received 2 BoNMs and spends a lot of time looking at them ;) is too attached to the old design. More importantly, I don't see any need to re-invent the wheel. On a tangential note, I feel we as a community are spending more time on secondary activities such as userboxes and barnstars. --Gurubrahma 03:31, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I prefer the star from Azatoth's initial proposal better... the ribbon is like 25% too long... but thats just my opinion. I like the last blue ribbon best.  ALKIVAR™ 22:17, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Something like this? →AzaToth 23:02, 23 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
MUCH better.  ALKIVAR™ 03:34, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
I have to say, I'm a little sad. My old buddy DeathPhoenix mentions a bunch of old-timers that should be notified, and somebody (*cough* Renata *cough*) mentions it to all but me. What am I, chopped liver? ;) Oh, by the way, I'm pleased with the idea of a bit of a polishing. :) – ClockworkSoul 06:22, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, by the way, as a suggestion and possible guide, take a look at the fictional medals created for this gaming clan. They're really quite nice. – ClockworkSoul 06:31, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, btw, my favorite is the Shiny Moon Medal. A real piece of art ClockworkSoul 12:58, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Straw

  • #1 Current Barnstar of National Merit
    #1 Current Barnstar of National Merit
  • #2 Three color ribbon, with a gold-like edge
    #2 Three color ribbon, with a gold-like edge
  • #3 Full blue ribbon
    #3 Full blue ribbon
  • lighter blue, change of star
    lighter blue, change of star
  • #5 U.N. Colors, 5px stripes
    #5 U.N. Colors, 5px stripes
  • #6 Shorter ribbon, 10px stripes, back to first star.
    #6 Shorter ribbon, 10px stripes, back to first star.

→AzaToth 03:48, 24 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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