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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Victor falk (talk | contribs) at 23:11, 19 January 2011 (Failure-oblivious computing: '''Keep''' per WP:NOTCLEANUP, WP:NOEFFORT and WP:IDONTKNOWIT. Numerous sources show it's a notable computing concept. Deleting obscure but encyclopedic st). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.
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Declined WP:PROD. PROD was removed several months ago, yet no attempt was ever made to fix the problems identified. Original PROD reasoning was "No sources or other evidence of notability." Beeblebrox (talk) 03:48, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Procedural keep: AfD is not a cleanup tag. Maury Markowitz (talk) 12:38, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Keep A Google Books search reveals enough sources to establish notability. --Pontificalibus (talk) 13:24, 4 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. It needs to be noted that the "book" with this title found by a Google Books search is a Wikipedia mirror. Phil Bridger (talk) 21:55, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • So, would that mean we still have no sources? I realize that AFD is not cleanup. This has been an unsourced stub for four and a half years and has no incoming links. I am not proposing that it be cleaned up, I am proposing it be deleted. The dearth of sources and the lack of interest in fixing it would tend to indicate that this is not a notable concept. Wikipedia is not a dictionary of computing jargon. Beeblebrox (talk) 22:09, 5 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • No, it means that you clearly haven't used Google Books yourself. There are more books that come up in a Google Books search than just "the book with this title". There are, for starters, two sets of conference proceedings (MMM-ACNS 2007 and ICA3PP 2009) with papers that build upon, and themselves cite, Rinard's work on failure-oblivious computing.

        This begs the question "Why?". Why didn't you look at what Google Books brings up? It's not exactly hard to do, and it takes less time than it took to make the edit that I'm replying to here. You'd have seen for yourself that Phil Bridger was talking about one book out of many. Why did you take the zero-effort route? That's not what I'd expect from you.

        The lack of interest in fixing things is endemic, by the way. It's not even confined to computing subjects — where, as noted, our coverage is nowhere near as good as it has traditionally been thought to be by observers. One could posit many reasons for it, but none are relevant to a deletion discussion of this article; nor are they rationales for deletion or evidence of anything except that Wikipedia writers don't write. Uncle G (talk) 15:36, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Delete The notability is not solidified by the sources indicated. --Stormbay (talk) 02:08, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
    • It was pointed out in October 2010 when this was at Proposed Deletion that the sources supplied are not necessarily the sole sources that exist, and it has already been pointed out again, above, here. Please try to address current arguments, rather than resetting the discussion to zero. This is supposed to be a discussion, and we are expected to read it before joining in. Uncle G (talk) 15:36, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Note: This debate has been included in the list of Computing-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 18:10, 6 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • Merge into fault tolerance or fault-tolerant system. The concept is notable enough to be mentioned but not notable enough to warrant its own article. It should be described in one of the two articles cited – unfortunately, they are very poor in quality. Nageh (talk) 09:22, 8 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion so a clearer consensus may be reached.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Ron Ritzman (talk) 00:26, 12 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • As noted above, sources exist (as the people who expended the effort to look for them found) discussing this within the umbrella topic of self-healing software systems or software self-healing. Since we don't have that yet, our coverage of computing subjects being superficial and poor here just as elsewhere, we cannot merge yet. So we keep, since this is valid content under a valid sub-topic title with a useful cited source. There's no sense in throwing this away. It's content that can be built upon. And our coverage of computing certainly needs building. Uncle G (talk) 15:36, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we'll have to agree to disagree on that point. In my opinion our coverage of computing contains many articles that are of no use whatsoever to a general audience and are more like a directory of obscure terminology than encyclopedic content. This article being an example of such. Beeblebrox (talk) 20:26, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Great. Another person who thinks to know what is useful for a general audience. Wikipedia, an encyclopedia for everyone. :( Nageh (talk) 20:33, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]
PS: Read the lengthy discussion at Wikipedia_talk:Scientific_citation_guidelines/Archive_2#Pillar_one_reminder including the section before and after it at the current discussion page. Thanks for your consideration. Nageh (talk) 20:37, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per WP:NOTCLEANUP, WP:NOEFFORT and WP:IDONTKNOWIT. Numerous sources show it's a notable computing concept. Deleting obscure but encyclopedic stuff is hardly a way to encourage people with special knowledge to edit wikipedia. walk victor falk talk 23:11, 19 January 2011 (UTC)[reply]