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Cognate advisor

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Completely without a source (other than some evidence that the term is used at those universities), little evidence that the term is not used for other concepts, and (if sourced) should be a section of doctoral advisor. (I can't decide whether the category should be S or T, so I'm specifically marking it as U (unsure).) — Arthur Rubin (talk) 10:46, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • keep How can something be "completely without a source" and at the same time a term used at "those universities". How many universities' websites have to use this term before it is sourced? If necessary, ask for whatever arbitrary number tickles your fancy (10, 20, 30) and I'll supply them. Heres some of many more examples not mentioned: College of Charleston[1], University of Michigan[2], Kent State University [3], Indiana University[4], etc. etc. etc. etc. When this student explains in her dissertation she had a conversation with her cognate advisor [5], what she talking about?Edstat (talk) 15:13, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    When a student explains in her dissertation she had a conversation with her cognate advisor, who knows what it means. In the first link on google scholar search, the cognate advisor didn't know. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Sorry, I don't follow you. The first link of the google search that I see is the reference to wikipedia. Which link are you referring to? The point is, there are many universitys that differentiate between an advisor and a cognate advisor, each having forms and signatures required. There is a disseration of a student mentioned speaking with her cognate advisor, etc. Yet, you insist that such a thing doens't exist...So again, how many links to university web pages do you require. (BTW, many of these web pages define who is the cognate advisor).Edstat (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    The first link in scholar.google.com is to http://etd.ohiolink.edu/send-pdf.cgi/Farrell%20Annemarie.pdf?osu1147982213 , which is the one I was referring to. However, you've almost proved my point. If Wikipedia is the first link in google search, that's indication that the term isn't used on the web. Now, it may be used in other contexts, but that fact does provide evidence that the term may not actually be used in the real world.
    If there were a definition of the term not restricted to a specific academic institution, I would be more inclined to believe that the term really does have a standard meaning, or that the concept was in wide use. I agree that you didn't invent the term, so it's not precisely WP:OR, but you haven't provided evidence that the term really means what you say it does. — Arthur Rubin (talk) 16:26, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    I found your link - under Google Scholar. Did you read the continuation, as would be required for good faith reporting? After the student told the faculty member what is a cognate advisor, the faculty member agreed! This only meant that faculty member had never served in that capacity, although her university had that role designated on the doctoral committee. Plus, under Google Scholar there are about 10 more references, and under Google Web about 80 more (e.g. U of New Hampshire[6]) Here is a citation in a book:[7].
    OK, so if I understand you now, you want me to expand the article by quoting definitions from the various web pages? Wouldn't that had been better stated on the discussion page, instead of (a) trying to merge it or (b) trying to delete it?
    In any case, I'll cut and paste definitons from the many web sites and put it into the articleEdstat (talk) 16:31, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
    Yes, I found it, but I got "edit conflict"ed while you were giving the link. And sorry, being first on wikipedia only means google's algorithm searches wikipedia first. It doesn't prove your point, either the original one, or the one you are now advancing. I'm sure you know if you google George Washington, Tea Party, Russia, etc., they come up first on google.Edstat (talk) 16:33, 9 December 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ http://advising.cofc.edu/pv_obj_cache/pv_obj_id_1979BC5F6BD933CDD0FE3226D18A6911F5740100/filename/DISC_Organismal_Biol_BS_07.pdf
  2. ^ http://www.lsa.umich.edu/umich/v/index.jsp?vgnextoid=10fef9a0b8516110VgnVCM1000009db1d38dRCRD&vgnextchannel=14c5969e3a265110VgnVCM1000003d01010aRCRD&vgnextfmt=print
  3. ^ www.kent.edu/ehhs/Schools/ldes/programs/itec/upload/PhDPoS.doc
  4. ^ http://www.iue.edu/informatics/bs-informatics.php
  5. ^ http://etd.ohiolink.edu/send-pdf.cgi/Farrell%20Annemarie.pdf?osu1147982213 p. iv
  6. ^ www.physics.unh.edu/pdf/handbook0405.pdf
  7. ^ http://books.google.com/books?id=raoaAAAAMAAJ&q=%22cognate+advisor%22&dq=%22cognate+advisor%22&hl=en&ei=twEBTc6kEKDtnQeekpXlDQ&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCgQ6AEwAA
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