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Adding dates to assessment templates

Hi, Not having managed to find this page on my own, I started a discussion at Wikipedia:Village_pump_(proposals)#Adding_dates_to_assessment_templates - please feel free to participate there or move the discussion here, whichever suits best.dramatic (talk) 09:13, 15 May 2010 (UTC)

Interesting idea. I've posted an example of what I think you may be asking for. Is this correct? (This is on Template:WikiProject New Zealand/sandbox, but is not yet in a state to be deployed.)

• I see you have been given other suggestions and pointers on the village pump discussion. Perhaps you could try these and let us know if you still feel a template solution is warranted.
• For banner templates which assess quality and importance, would you propose having a separate date for each assessment or a combined date? If the latter, does it make sense to have it on the quality assessment row and not on the importance row?
• An alternative solution would be to use a separate row in the table to display this. This could be achieved by adding a "note" to the banner. (See example below.)
• At this stage we would probably look at adding this to the project banner you are working with. It is only if many projects were interested that we would start thinking about adding it to the meta-template.

— Martin (MSGJ · talk) 19:50, 17 May 2010 (UTC)

Thanks for putting some thought into this martin. Yes, it is pretty much what I was thinking of. I think that quality is the significant one here, as article quality changes significantly over time, whereas the importance of an article to a project seldom changes. While it would be great to have it on WPNZ, since I've been visiting unassessed articles, it is all the other projects I'm seeing the no-longer-appropriate ratings on (With WPBIO probably being the most common instance). I'll go and look at the other responses now. dramatic (talk) 02:10, 18 May 2010 (UTC)

What do I need to do to get a task force quality template running?

Several WikiProjects have taskforces. I would like to add such taskforces to Wikipedia:WikiProject Sociology (Template:WikiProject Sociology), starting with the social movements task force, but I cannot find a guide on how to do so, and the code in existing templates with that functionality is too complex for me (Template:WPMILHIST or Template:AfricaProject). I'd appreciate your help! --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 17:04, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

See Template:WPBannerMeta#Task forces –xeno^talk 18:36, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks. How can I get a task force assessment statitics to display (like here)? The project list is here. Also - do I need to create the categories listed at Template:WikiProject Sociology? I don't think I want to reassess the articles for the taskforce, I just want them to have a category and to enable the task force stat list as mentioned above (like MILHIST does). --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 20:46, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Just guessing here, but you probably need to create and fill the requisite categories, the toplevel quality (Social movements articles by quality) and importance categories probably need Category:Wikipedia 1.0 assessments and then add {{Wikipedia:Version 1.0 Editorial Team/Social movement articles by quality statistics}} somewhere. (You could also copy what milhist has done if you want it to be a malleable template that accepts the parameters for the different task forces) –xeno^talk 20:51, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I've created the top level category. I am not sure how to activate the other template to generate those nice quality stats... hopefully somebody can offer suggestions on that. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 22:44, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I believe you need to wait for the bot to run ... once every 24 hours I guess? You also need to add TF_1_QUALITY=yes , I think... And create those cats, and so on. Best place to ask for more help on this would be Template talk:WPBannerMeta, where the WPBM vets hang out... –xeno^talk 23:11, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

I asked there - thanks. I added the TF_1_QUALITY=yes - don't recalling seeing it in the previous guide. So far, no visible changes, but there may be delayed due to the bot you mention or a need for a simple cache purge. I'll check on this tomorrow :) Thanks, --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 23:27, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

It may have something to do with the custom class mask in use. I'm sure the WPBM vets can help, in any case. –xeno^talk 23:30, 1 June 2010 (UTC)

Moved from WP:VPT

You need to set the ASSESSMENT_CAT parameter, which I have now done. I've also added prompts to the custom class mask for all the categories which need creating. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 05:38, 3 June 2010 (UTC)

Thanks - now, how can I get a task force assessment statitics to display (like here)? The project list is here? This is not working for me. --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| talk} 19:12, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

You haven't yet created the categories required - these are shown on Template:WikiProject Sociology/class. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:12, 8 June 2010 (UTC)

A minor point occured to me. Is there any reason why {{{TF_n_ASSESSMENT_CAT}}} shouldn't default to "{{{TF_n_NAME}}} articles"? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:27, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

This has now been  Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:31, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Sixteen task forces?

I am drafting in my sandbox to try and add the Roald Dahl task force to WikiProject Novels. However, this project already has fifteen task forces. Is there a way to add any more? strdst_grl (call me Stardust) 08:47, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

You will need to add another taskforce hook, which will allow another 10. (Have a look at how Template:ChristianityWikiProject does it.) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 10:22, 7 June 2010 (UTC)

Template:WikiProject Amiga

In the above template, and probably several other TFs of WPComputing [1], the way the QS is set for the TFs and for the qualimpintersect is causing the template to categorize certain pages into two different WPComputing quality categories at the same time. See the bottom of Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Amiga, the page is both in the NA-Class and Project-Class of Computing articles. Obviously, this double-classification is not preferred. Does someone know how to clean up the WPAmiga template, and the others to place the pages into the categories defined by Template:WikiProject Computing/class for its project and sub-projects? It would be better if the TFs had matching qual cats to the main project. Thanks, --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:04, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

 Fixed [2] ? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 15:21, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

Terrific, thx for catching that! --Funandtrvl (talk) 15:29, 14 June 2010 (UTC)

category parameter

Just wondering if we can simplify this parameter and make it more consistent over the subtemplates. A previous discussion resulted in |category= (i.e. blank) and |category=yes not opting-out of categories. I've only just found at that this change wasn't copied over to the hooks. But I'm thinking the whole system is more complicated than it needs to be. We could decide only to accept |category=no to prevent categorisation. This would be easier to understand than all these ¬ chains perhaps. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:04, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

and ...

BANNER_NAME could default to "Template:WikiProject {{{PROJECT}}}" (or "Template:{{{PROJECT_NAME}}}") and become an optional parameter. — Preceding unsigned comment added by MSGJ (talk • contribs)

 Done — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:54, 1 July 2010 (UTC)

Inherited importance

For your information, I have updated the /taskforces hook to support a new feature for task forces to inherit importance from the main project if no specific importance has been assigned. There are more changes planned (see Template talk:WPBannerMeta/hooks/taskforces). If there are any problems (hopefully not!) and I am not online to deal with them, please revert this and this. Thanks — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:35, 18 June 2010 (UTC)

Help wanted on Template:BM-related

The WP:GLAM/BM task force is currently using this banner to track quality data to help drive the workspace page. This is not a project in its own right but I was wondering if the standard meta banner could be adopted without letting the tracking break? Fæ (talk) 12:50, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

 Done. Let me know if that looks okay. The only limitation is that it is not currently possible to remove the word "WikiProject" from the nested title. This is probably something we should look at changing though, because there are other banners with this problem. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:07, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Wow, that was quick. Thanks for your help wizard Martin. Fæ (talk) 13:10, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

:) — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

I propose to add a {{{PROJECT NAME}}} parameter, which would default to WikiProject {{{PROJECT}}}. Thoughts? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 13:12, 21 June 2010 (UTC)

Code is in the sandbox now. Any objections? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:49, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

No objections. Code looks fine. -- WOSlinker (talk) 09:57, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

TL;DR – looks good. There was some related discussion at WT:GLAM/BM#{{BM-related}} upgraded WRT possible plans for future project status but nothing that was in conflict with the meta template usage. Fæ (talk) 10:26, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

Okay, now implemented. I'll update BM-related now and this might allow some others to be converted, like {{WP1.0}}. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 21:48, 23 June 2010 (UTC)

• Hmm, we seem to have an error on Template:WP conlangs. Not sure what's going on there. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 07:28, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

   Fixed. I had forgotten to pass the new parameter from /templatepage. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 12:34, 24 June 2010 (UTC)

Help wanted to try a new article rating method

WikiProject United States Public Policy is testing out a rating system where ratings can be assigned using a more detailed numerical scale, which then can be translated into the standard 1.0 assessment classes. The system is described here. I want to make version of the project's banner that can work like a normal banner, taking the normal class parameters, but can also be used with the detailed rating as parameters, and then template automatically calculates what the corresponding class is and displays that. I'm not sure how to get started with it, so any help from a template guru would be great.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 14:16, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Certainly possible, but may be complicated to set up. It would be much easier if the class depended only on the total score, rather than having to keep track of numerous separate factors. How would you anticipate using the template - something like the following? — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:31, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

{{WikiProject United States Public Policy|sourcing=3|npov=2|comprehensiveness=2|...}}

Yes, exactly. Unfortunately, I don't think it's feasible to translate between class and total score, because a bad score in one area can pretty much prevent an article from being above a certain class. Like no matter how good the rest of the scores are, if an article doesn't cite any sources, it's not going above Start-class.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 14:36, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

It sounds like you are asking for something like a modified version of the B-class checklist except that, (1) it determines every class not just B-class and (2) it uses grades rather than just pass/fail. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 14:41, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Yeah, something like that seems about right. And then manually specified classes would preempt the results of the detailed scoring.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 14:49, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Okay then. I suggest you carry on discussing it and then come back when you know exactly what you want. One thing: you cannot do GA and FA-class in this way since these are Wikipedia-wide assessments and WikiProjects can't impose their own criteria on these. You are free to use stub/start/c/b/a however you wish though. 14:54, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

About GA and FA, of course. What I had in mind was that if the score what corresponds to the GA and FA criteria, the template would still assign a rating of B, but also display a note that the article may make a good candidate for GA or FA. If you implement the current logic here, I'm sure I could make whatever adjustment might be necessary as the scheme changes. Thanks for you help, by the way! I really appreciate it.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 15:07, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

I think I'm making progress; I created a parser expression for translating all the scores into standard ratings. Now I need to figure out how to integrate it into the WPBannerMeta framework.--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 19:33, 2 July 2010 (UTC)

Looks good. I've moved your code to Template:WikiProject United States Public Policy/class. You can use Template:WikiProject United States Public Policy/sandbox to experiment with the code until it's working properly. If you look at my recent edits you should get an idea of what you need to do next. I'll be busy most of the weekend but will help out when I can. Have fun — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 09:06, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

A little more progress now... I took the next steps from your edits, and now the sandbox will display the proper class when the new parameters are put in (and inputting class directly takes precedence if it's there, so that's great). I'm flummoxed by how the bchecklist hook works. I've been playing around starting from the bchecklist code at Template:WPBannerMeta/hooks/numericalratings, but I haven't figured out how to make it display the checklist details (which it ought to do any time there are any of the b1-b6 parameters present).--Sross (Public Policy) (talk) 13:41, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

How's it looking now? There are a couple of examples on /testcases. — Martin (MSGJ · talk) 22:06, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Strange category

{{WikiProject Chess}} is in redlinked Category:Unassessed chess articles of ¬-importance. Most, if not all, the talk pages that transclude that template are in something similar - see Category:FA-Class chess articles of ¬-importance, Category:GA-Class chess articles of ¬-importance, Category:B-Class chess articles of ¬-importance, etc. I'm guessing that they should be in Category:B-Class chess articles of Mid-importance, or similar. What causes this, what should be done to fix it? --Redrose64 (talk) 20:46, 29 July 2010 (UTC)

I've fixed it with this edit -- WOSlinker (talk) 20:53, 29 July 2010 (UTC)