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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Stuckerj (talk | contribs) at 16:51, 3 February 2006 (→The merge and such: change my position: merge 49 character virtues into new Character Training Institute (CTI) article). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Why merge? Because the institute IS Gothard and Gothard IS the institute. Harvestdancer 21:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See the AfD discussion [[1]] for a discussion of whether to merge or delete one of the articles.--Gandalf2000 21:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Articles for Deletion debate resulted in a "keep" (archived discussion can be found here). Not sure about merging though. Weien 06:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The merge and such

I say don't merge. While the organization and the man are pretty much the same, they are separate subjects.

On the side, while I don't have references handy, I can certianly vouch for some of the "citation needed" parts, including former supporters completely abandoning christianity, using non-scriptural testimonials to support points, and seeming to have ever answer for a question (that's not to say they shouldn't be cited though - I'll see what I can do about digging up some of the old family literature). I doubt I'll be able to cite much on former followers abandoning church alltogether, I doubt it's been written on.

Jordanmills 14:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We could probably pull the Forty-nine character virtues into the IBLP article, since these 49 don't appear to have a life of their own outside IBLP.

As to the fallout of former participants, I am guessing the most we'll find are informal exposés and discussion boards such as this [2] and this [3]. In reality, it appears most students who go through the IBLP/Gothard/ATI programs eventually abandon the Gothard camp for other Christian groups or churches.--Gandalf2000 18:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

After following the first link in the IBLP article, which is to a story on the Character Training Institute (CTI), I think the 49 character virtues should go into an article on CTI, since that is their most public presence, and where most people would be likely to want to investigate what the 49 character virtues are about. CTI is distinctly notable because its focus is on political organizations. One option would simply be to add CTI stuff to the Forty-nine character virtues article, and rename it.--Gandalf2000 16:51, 3 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

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