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This is an old revision of this page, as edited by Stuckerj (talk | contribs) at 16:46, 3 February 2006 (→The merge and such: change my position: merge 49 character virtues into new CTI article). The present address (URL) is a permanent link to this revision, which may differ significantly from the current revision.

Why merge? Because the institute IS Gothard and Gothard IS the institute. Harvestdancer 21:00, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

See the AfD discussion [[1]] for a discussion of whether to merge or delete one of the articles.--Gandalf2000 21:21, 20 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]
The Articles for Deletion debate resulted in a "keep" (archived discussion can be found here). Not sure about merging though. Weien 06:29, 27 January 2006 (UTC)[reply]

The merge and such

I say don't merge. While the organization and the man are pretty much the same, they are separate subjects.

On the side, while I don't have references handy, I can certianly vouch for some of the "citation needed" parts, including former supporters completely abandoning christianity, using non-scriptural testimonials to support points, and seeming to have ever answer for a question (that's not to say they shouldn't be cited though - I'll see what I can do about digging up some of the old family literature). I doubt I'll be able to cite much on former followers abandoning church alltogether, I doubt it's been written on.

Jordanmills 14:46, 1 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

We could probably pull the Forty-nine character virtues into the IBLP article, since these 49 don't appear to have a life of their own outside IBLP.

As to the fallout of former participants, I am guessing the most we'll find are informal exposés and discussion boards such as this [2] and this [3]. In reality, it appears most students who go through the IBLP/Gothard/ATI programs eventually abandon the Gothard camp for other Christian groups or churches.--Gandalf2000 18:59, 1 February 2006 (UTC) After following the first link in this article, which references an article on the Character Training Institute, I think the 49 character virtues should go into an article on CTI, since that is their most public presence.[reply]

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