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Background---The Spamming History:

On October 18, 2008, the logo for the film “Welcome Aboard Toxic Airlines” was uploaded to Commons [[1]], by Fact Not Fiction Films, the company that made the movie that is a larger part of this dispute.

On October 21, 2008, the Wiki page of “Welcome Aboard Toxic Airlines” was created by Fact Not Fiction Films [[2]], using a new Wiki Editor ID of “FNFFSFTS”.(no user name, but there is a talk page). That first page edit included these links:

GCAQE

Tristan Loraine

Welcome Aboard Toxic Airlines at IMDb

Welcome Aboard Toxic Airlines, Official film website
Fact Not Fiction Films, Production company website
DFT Enterprises, UK distribution company website

And the wiki page plot summary for that film [[3]], is word-for-word identical to the plot summary at IMBd [4], which was written by Tristan Loraine, the owner of FFNF and the writer and producer of that film.

On October 21, 2008 another Wiki page was created: “31 North 62 East.” [[5]] About another FNFF film, written and produced by Tristan Lorain and his brother. The page contained links to:

31 North 62 East at IMDb
31 North 62 East, Official film website
Fact Not Fiction Films, Production company website

It was also proposed for deletion the same day, but not on the grounds that it was a spam page, for FNFF, but because the film had not yet been released. But then, the same day FNFFSFTS removed the notice of propsed deletion. No reason given. [[6]] The talk page of FNFFSFTS shows the propsed deletion on the same day, as well as a notice of Conflict of Interest. [[7]] The contributions page for FNFFSFTS, shows nothing but COI spam edits [[8]]

On January 28, 2008, the GCAQE page was created, by none other than the new wiki editor “GCAQE.” [[9]] These tags were added almost immediately:

And then, that new editor was blocked from further posting, on the grounds of “promotional username.” [[10]] Makes me wonder why the same thing didn't happen to FNFFSFTS, when he first created the WATA film page. Speaking of him (most likely Tristan Loraine, or someone in his company), he posted on that new page on October 21, 2008 [[11]], the same day that the WATA film page was created by FNFFSFTS. Since Tristan Loraine sits on the board of GCAQE, I guess none of us should be surprised at that additonal bit of self-promotional spamming. By that time, GCAQE had been loaded up with all kinds of links, citations, and further readings which sounds impressive on its face.

External links

But, when one invests many hours as I have done, to actually read all those links, it becomes very obvious that the news articles amount to little more than sensationalist regurgitations of the spammers' press releases (without containing a shred of reference to any valid scientific research at all---which proves their claims).

As to the studies that they use to support their claims (in all of their Wiki spam articles), some simply talk about filed claims of pilots and flight attendants, that allege they became ill because of leaking engine oil, but provide no scientific evidence at all that ANYONE ever ingested any of the toxic ingredients of jet engine oil, in quantities that exceeded known safe levels (in terms of ppm). I repeat: NOT ONE SHRED OF VALID SCIENTIFIC EVIDENCE IN ANY OF THOSE SOURCES, that proved ANYONE (passengers or crew) ever ingested toxic engine oil contaminates in quantities that exceeded known safe levels (ppm). Many of their links led to pages and pages of further links to articles, most of which did not even talk about the alleged toxic oil contamination issue.

In short, most of those links and citations amount to a massive snow job, which had little to do with the very serious medical allegations that jet engine oil causes long term damage to the bodies and brains of innocent victims.

That GCAQE page by that time also had a link to Environmental Control System, which article is severely lacking in valid citations for most of what it says, EXCEPT for these links:

"Nevertheless, oil contamination from this and other sources within the engine bay is leading to serious health concerns including an investigation by the Government of Australia."^[1] (How is “serious health conerns” defined?) (Private Eye magazine?)

"However, on occasions components (carbon seals) can leak oil (containing highly toxic additives) into the bleed air."^[2] (Note no statement as to scientific evidence that a safe level of ppm has ever been exceeded. Just the usual scare language of “highly toxic additives.”

The “Aerotoxic Syndrome” article was created on September 22, 2009, by a different editor, who uses the name of one of the alleged toxic contaminates in jet engine oil. The same editor created the new article of “Aerotoxic Association” on June 20, 2009 [[12]] The link to that website was installed on the very first day.

Aerotoxic Association website

When looking at the contributions history [[13]] and [[14]] of that new editor, it becomes obvious his sole purpose for becoming a Wiki editor is to create and expand spam articles for Loraine, BALPA, and AA.

^ "Aircraft fumes: The secret life of BAe", "In the back" column, Private Eye magazine, issue 1193, 14–27 September 2007, pages 26–27; Pressdram Ltd., London.
^ The Guardian (2006-02-26). "Toxic cockpit fumes that bring danger to the skies". London. Retrieved 2007-10-20.

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Her listing of my “1st revert:” at Welcome Aboard Toxic Airlines [[15]] [[16]], Revision as of 08:30, 10 May 2010 was a return to my original wording of “alleged,” which she previously reverted, to another word that was a bit more vague. They (what appears to be an Aerotoxic Syndrome Spammers Cabal ---- ASSC) have consistently opposed my using “alleged” and/or “allegation” (“an assertion made with little or no proof,” “to assert without proof,” “a statement not yet proved”) in sentences that were about medical issue claims made by the Aerotoxic Association et. al., presented in a syntax form that implied those claims were facts already established by scientific research, instead of claims/allegations, that have not yet been proved by scientific methods.

Despite my explaining on respective talk pages, to the ASSC, that statements in medical issues articles, which are presented as statements of medical fact, must be supported by citations which meet WP:MEDRS standards. If they can do that, then fine, it can be a supported factual medical statement. However, as long as it is an unsupported medical issue allegation, then it must be made clear that it is an allegation, and not a known medical fact of science. To do otherwise, tends to mislead lay readers of Wikipedia, as well as violate the WP:MEDRS rules.

I have bent over backward to explain that fundamental issue, which is at the core of this debate, on the various talk pages [[17]], [[18]], [[19]], [[20]], but none of the ASSC group seem to care. They continue to ignore that required RS standard and keep reverting to snow-job linking, none of which provides valid WP:MEDRS for their wild claims.

[1] "Aircraft fumes: The secret life of BAe", "In the back" column, Private Eye magazine, issue 1193, 14–27 September 2007, pages 26–27; Pressdram Ltd., London.

[2] The Guardian (2006-02-26). "Toxic cockpit fumes that bring danger to the skies". London. Retrieved 2007-10-20.

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