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A fact from Alleged plot to kidnap Pope Pius XII appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 29 August 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know
- ... that SS General Karl Wolff claimed to have foiled a plot to kidnap Pope Pius XII?
A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/August.

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"he maintains establishes the plot as historical fact"

"he maintains establishes" is bad writing, plain and simple. Kurzman claims and argues that the plot was real; others claim and argue that it was not. They would all "maintain" that their writings are factual. It adds nothing to say that a writer argues that they are correct; nor it is particularly relevant what an author's opinion of the significance of their own work is. Stop the presses; apparently one party to a historical dispute believes they are correct! It is beyond me why Mamalujo insides of inserting this particular poorly-crafted phrase into the article at all costs. In any case, I am unable to accept such bad writing. Don't use a complicated series of verbs when a single, simple verb will do the job just as well or better. Savidan 02:41, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

von Loringhoven

This is definitely an interesting account. However, this is a not a "recent development" by any stretch. vL gave his testimony at Nuremberg and his son gave a substantially similar account in 1972. Various Catholic news sources may have decided to publish an article in 2009, but that doesn't make it news. Should be addressed with the other primary sources. Savidan 21:26, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]