User talk:Gnip

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Neo-Jay (talk) 23:18, 19 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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I should have kept the fact that he was killed afterwards, didn't I? I can't remember if I did or not. The actual certain event of his death is somewhat hazy in historical records, if I recall reading a while back. Conflicting accounts of how he actually died after he fled Beijing.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 00:33, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Of course you should note his final outcome, but leave the info about him fleeing Beijing, I will add to that. It is important. He was forced to flee Beijing because unlike Dorgon and Wu, had had no discipline and authority amongst his rag-tag ranks, who disobeyed his orders and pillaged the city at will. When word came of the approaching standards of Wu Sangui (with Dorgon in the rear, so as to present to the Chinese as if a Chinese general alone was coming to their aid, not realizing the political maneuvering of Dorgon), Li had no choice BUT to flee. He was not in control of Beijing, it was in total chaos. That is worth mentioning. Had he had discipline amongst his ranks he might have had a chance at defending such a paramount position as the capital itself. It is important that readers understand this. Please, do not leave that out, I will expand later with proper sources. This is my second to last week of school, I will be doing MAJOR reconstruction to the Ming article afterwards. Thank you for your help. It is very much needed for such a hefty topic as a three century period of China.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 06:00, 29 November 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hi again

With your edits to Huolongjing, we will need more than just the title of the book in that citation you gave about Juan de Mendoca; I'll need actual page numbers for those if you still have the book Late Imperial Chinese Armies on hand. Thanks.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 01:21, 14 January 2008 (UTC)[reply]

Long time no see!

Fancy seeing you again! Thanks for providing this quote on my talk page. It should be very useful indeed. I'll find a way to include it in the article. However, it is late, and I am off to bed for now. Cheers.--Pericles of Athens^Talk 06:33, 16 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Response China military history

I have edited and changed the article somewhat. I am relatively inactive on wikipedia now, so if you have sources please expand the article with them. As to the Manchus' view on gunpowder weapons, see:

It stands to reason that
limiting the use of firearms to a single centralized body of people specially trained and easily controlled, and keeping the production of weapons under direct state control, could be measures meant as much to rationalize the deployment of artillery in military campaigns as to prevent the proliferation of a type of
weaponry that might give potential Chinese rebels an edge against the Qing forces.

which is from your source. The Ming armies relied on gunpowder weapons to a great deal and developed them, while Manchus viewed gunpowder weapons (and new inventions/economic development in general) as a threat to their rule. This was a major reason for China's decline starting from the 17th century onwards.Teeninvestor (talk) 20:19, 13 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]