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Discuss and draft graphical layout overhauls of highly visible pages, instead of using the page itself as a sandbox. When many users edit a page for layout, different plans can conflict, and the page may get worse rather than better.

This guideline applies to only a handful of pages that share common characteristics: They are highly visible, often linked to from the "navigation" box on the left of the screen. They use colors, icons, or intricate methods of layout to convey their information, complex enough to have to be "made by hand". And they cover broader areas of Wikipedia, often linking to more specialized pages. You should not make unapproved design edits to these types of pages. To help you identify them, examples of the most common ones follow.

What is it not for?

This guideline does not apply to most pages and some types of edits. The following remain unrestricted.

  • Articles. Perhaps most importantly, this guideline does not apply to articles. Since page formatting for articles is less complicated and much more standardized, we encourage users to format articles, as laid out in the Manual of Style.
  • Portals. Many portals have chosen colors arbitrarily, and you can go ahead and change them. But beware: some portals do not have an arbitrary color scheme. For example, most portals related to countries use the colors of the nation's flag. This is usually obvious on a case-to-case basis. If it is not, an inquiry to the page's maintainer can be made on the talk page.
  • Most other pages. Pages that are used for discussion, policy, guideline, userpages (if it's your own) or the like are all fine.
  • Content edits. Changing text, even in a page that this guideline applies to, is fine. Major changes — such as a complete rewrite — should be discussed first. But most things, such as adding a sentence or correcting a typo, are fine.
  • Consensus edits. This guideline does not bar you from editing the page layout, just editing it without discussing it with other users. If you have talked about it on the talk page and the community approves, go for it. Always build on the existing page design. Don't compromise the work of others.

Procedure

If you have an idea for a new design of page that uses a graphical layout, the first thing you should do is bring up the idea on the talk page (if there are subpages, use the main talk page). If you can code, create your design in your own sandbox (User:Foo/Sandbox) or a subpage of the page you are working on (Help:Contents/Redesign). Get as much of the design made as possible if you are assembling it from existing code (or if you can write new code yourself). If your idea is more abstract, not based on any existing design, just discuss it and see if someone can create it. But unfortunately, a great idea is worthless unless you can make it a reality.

Do not use the "live" pages as sandboxes! Incomplete and flawed designs on highly visible pages are the very thing you want to prevent. Instead, use your sandbox to perfect your design. If, when, and only when your design is flawless should you present it to the larger community. A message on the Community bulletin board is usually enough.

It is best not to have a strict vote on the design. Voting is evil. Talk it over. See the general reaction. Address some of the concerns people have, and build consensus. Use this as valuable feedback, and don't worry if it takes a bit longer to get the design uploaded. We have all the time in the world.

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