Talk:Ogg formats in HTML5

Whose idea was this?

I see who opposed it, but who brought it up in the first place?

What's so special about OGG?

What other free (libre) media format has been proposed for inclusion in a W3C markup specification? PNG? SVG? TXT? RSS? WTF? None? It's not even required that useragents support or display images of any format at all - what's so special about OGG that it gets special attention from W3C? This isn't intended to be argumentative, I sincerely want to know what's behind this. It seems so contrary to the way any other peripheral media is considered in relation to Web markup language specifications and development. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.104.84 (talk) 04:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The special part of ogg is that this format have no patents and everybody/every vendor can implement this format. The idea behind the video tag is that every browser should be able to handle the video without install an extra plugin - and on some os the plugins are not avaible, i.e. dos or old windows versions(and many other oses)!mabdul 20:32, 16 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

The idea is to avoid the current mess we're in regarding video on the Web. Beside Flash, you have Windows Media files, Quicktime files, Realvideo... Each requiring its own plugin/player, most of them from a specific vendor, and sometimes not easily available across OS. Ogg are the only open-source formats for multimedia files, and therefore suitable for implementation on every OS without vendor lock-in. But of course, Apple doesn't want people to move away from their proprietary Quicktime player which is currently installed on a majority of computer. Even if Quicktime is probably better than Theora in term of image quality, if it wasn't needed anymore for most video, their installed base would drop (remember, they tried to push Safari on Windows by including it by default in the Quicktime updater). Ksempac (talk) 09:27, 1 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Move to "Ogg formats in HTML 5"

This page started out as a section of the page about HTML 5, describing a historic event entitled the "Ogg controversy". It has not changed much since the split, therefore it still would fit better into a bigger context like that of the first sentence, namely the role of Ogg formats in HTML 5. A slightly wider context like "Ogg formats in HTML 5" would make it appropriate to also include some updated information, for example about the format war of the web which Ogg formats are supposed to become part of, as well as the bigger historic picture of Ogg formats in HTML 5, like the motivation for it. I will start elaborating this a little.

-- 79.161.192.128 -- 1. august 2009 —Preceding unsigned comment added by 79.161.192.128 (talk) 11:05, 1 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I'd like to keep it as a separate article. It is in a bigger context as described and linked in the article. -- Henriok (talk) 14:49, 28 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

EULA Issues of Proprietary Software

One other key issue that some people fail to take into consideration are the EULA requirements one must agree in order to use a particular player. If a company that produces any of these media players or media player browser plugins wants to make money from selling peoples personal information, installing any manner of methods of spying on peoples files, communications, etc., and includes the right for them to do so in their vague or explicit EULA license that you MUST agree in order to view their proprietary media format, then what option does the user have but to be denied access to the media they wish to see in order to protect their privacy?! THIS IS THE MAJOR ISSUE WITH THE OGG FORMAT! It is completely FREE from these restrictions! How will the robber barrons profit when everyone is using NON-proprietary media? It appears that Wikipedia is based upon a Socialism type of concept. IMHO, I think that the Web and the Internet standards in general should be also. Using proprietary formats doesn't live up to the standard of a free, non-propietary Internet. I included the actual full reference in my edit in order to quell the misconception that the OGG standard was REQUIRED when it was merely SUGGESTED. NOTE: if you wish to see a really good example of how good proprietary formats are at restricting the flow of information, simply load up a standard Debian Linux and use Iceweasel to web browse. Then, visit some pages such as YouTube, MSNBC, etc., and then navigate to their media sections. You will notice that very little, if any, of their media will be viewable in your browser. Lots of people do not know how to install software and browser plugins. Having a universally accepted media player, even if it is not the highest standard, is much better than being denied access to media for lack of an acceptable media player or EULA. 97.126.100.51 (talk) 09:53, 25 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

While discussion of changes you make to articles are welcome, please see WP:Soapbox and WP:Talk pages. Talk pages are for discussing ways to improve the article. Your ideas on the evils of robber barons or EULAs or whatever are not appropriate for talk pages Nil Einne (talk) 22:01, 3 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]