Talk:Quantum brain dynamics
I wonder what the copyright status of this text is? The full article seems to be at [1] (pdf), and at PhilSci, I found the following in their policies:
- • All documents available from this server may be protected under U.S. and foreign copyright laws, and may not be reproduced without permission.
If it is the author himself who contributed the text this is of course cool, but otherwise we need his explicit permission to license the text by GFDL. — Sverdrup 14:14, 29 Mar 2004 (UTC)
There is, at the current time, no reason to believe that quantumn mechanics has anything to do with the human brain or indeed any neurological system in any lifeform, and to believe otherwise is wishful thinking, possibly trying to avoid the consequences of determinism on "free will". This sounds a lot like pseudoscience to me. Shouldn't it have a warning and/or disclaimer to that effect? --80.219.63.77 20:06, 1 Apr 2004 (UTC)
Do not hurry to claim that all this is pseudo-science! I wished the things in neuroscience were clear as in the middle of the 20th century, but there are some problems that the neural net theory cannot solve (here I will only mention (i) the hard problem of experience posed by Nagel in 1974 and (ii) the binding problem posed by James in 1890). What about the free will and determinism, if I had to vote for banning a theory as pseudo-science it will be exactly determinism. If one wants to really understand the Universe he/she should study quantum physics. -- Danko_Georgiev_MD 23:55, 2 April 2004 (+2 GMT)
- Your writeup is far from NPOV. Some choice quotes: "Quantum mechanics is believed to be capable of explaining the enigma of consciousness" - Sez you. "This revolutionary theory was originated by Umezawa (Ricciardi & Umezawa 1967, Stuart et. al. 1978, 1979) in a very elegant and general framework" - revolutionary? elegant? Besides this, your article is incoherent and virtually inaccessible for a layman reader, which defeats the purpose of an encyclopedia. Finally, your quantum theory still does not explain consciousness. Consciousness as a phenomenon is likely to remain unexplainable, unless two conditions are met: 1)the proposed theory makes testable predictions on how to precisely manipulate states of consciousness 2)explanation provides a non-symbolic essence of consciousness. You call determinism a pseudo-science, but without determinism, science wouldn't have advanced far enough to reveal the quantum world. Your every experiment (and the equipment you use) *relies* on the assumption of inductive logic and the principle of determinism holding true -- Gyan 14:01, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)-
- Hello, Danko, how excellent that you wish to contribute to wikipedia on a topic you know very well. We love to get experts reviewing the articles! :-) Now, you see Wikipedia is not a source of primary research, so we will have to transform the current article a little, to be less paper-like and more encyclopedic. But I see no wrong in your contribution!
- I wonder: am I completely lost, or is it OK for me to add a reference to Penrose's The Emperor's New Mind?
- — Sverdrup 13:32, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
- Oh, and an additional note: I'll have to ask you to sort out the References not relating to the particular content of the article. To declare sources is good, but The list is currently certainly in excess for this short encyclopedic overview. Thank you! — Sverdrup 13:36, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)
See also Quantum mind. Merge? — Sverdrup 13:57, 2 Apr 2004 (UTC)